"Keith" cheated DCM

robinph

OK, so there is no evidence to suggest that this person didn't run the full distance. But I'd be fairly sure that they didn't pay their entry fee so must have cheated the organisers out of their money and been on the course where he wasn't entitled to be.



So other than now appearing in the collection of my photos on ExpensiveRaceFotos.com did they get allowed across the finish line and claim a medal and t-shirt etc.

I'd probably not be quite as annoyed if it wasn't for the fact that when I finally get around to buying the picture of ME doing my marathon from this Monday, there is going to be a bunch of shots of this interloper in there as well. He is even happily playing up to the photographer in another shot. :mad:

RacoonQueen

Was his DCM number on his back and he was showing off that he did the great south run on Sunday?

RoyMcC

Robin I wouldn't be wasting my time worrying about the odd cheating tw@t. Life's too short. St Peter will have a big black mark against his name when he gets to the Pearly Gates.

robinph

RacoonQueen wrote: »

Was his DCM number on his back and he was showing off that he did the great south run on Sunday?

It's from the Great Yorkshire Run, and look like his name was Laura in that race.

shels4ever

Once you beat him I wouldnt worry about it..

anymore

From my memory,at the fininsh, the chip was removed and two separate marks were put on the official number, using markers, before and after goody bag was given out. As already said he may have been wearing no on back.

eliwallach

Got talking to one of the stewards along the finishing straight just after Nassua St., and he told me his job was to "divert" any runners without numbers.
This, however, would not have prevented "our friend" above from finishing (as he was wearing an {albeit fraudulent} number).

Incidentally the steward told me that they had to remove 30 or 40 "no number" runners during the course of last Monday.

"What if their number/bib had just fallen off" I asked.

"In my 30 odd years of running races/marathons, my bib has never fallen off, and I don't know of any such incident with my running peers. And I'm going back to a time when numbers were printed on heavy cardboard, which when wet would disintegrate and fall to pieces. At the very least there should be a couple of safety pins left in the runners vest", was his informed reply.

robinph

Yep, he did get a tshirt and medal. He has a picture up on his Facebook profile which I easily found from what I presume was his girlfriends name on the Great Yorkshire Run results.

eliwallach

anymore wrote: »

As already said he may have been wearing no on back.

Still an infringement of the rules:

"The official race number must be worn on the front. Failure to do so could result in you being stopped on the route"

The italics and bold are taken verbatim.

Why do some people think that they are above such a simple & straightforward instruction?

robinph

...and he didn't have the number on his back as there is nobody by his name listed in the results on TDS-Live.com

Edit: Detectiveing is fun.

anymore

eliwallach wrote: »

Still an infringement of the rules:

"The official race number must be worn on the front. Failure to do so could result in you being stopped on the route"

The italics and bold are taken verbatim.

Why do some people think that they are above such a simple & straightforward instruction?

Ok I accept your point - I am still basking in the feel good factor and am well disposed towards all mankind ( apart from my neighbours with the barking dog )

nerraw1111

Last year I saw one person without a number get taken out just 100 metres from the line. The guy was on the verge of tears pleading with the steward but to no avail.

It was fantastic.

NickDrake

:rolleyes:

shels4ever

robinph wrote: »

Yep, he did get a tshirt and medal. He has a picture up on his Facebook profile which I easily found from what I presume was his girlfriends name on the Great Yorkshire Run results.

Cyber stalker
You should become his friend now on facebook then poke him.

anymore

As a newcomer, I am in awe of the amount of work organisers put in, so you are right, running without paying fee would be pretty mean.

robinph

I am seriously tempted to "befriend" him on Facebook now.

TheRoadRunner

robinph wrote: »

I am seriously tempted to "befriend" him on Facebook now.

classic cheaters beware Chief Inspector Robin is about. I know of 2 guys (and are outstanding athletes) who did something similar on Monday. They were pacing people so I guess they didn't want to be pulled off the course. I can kind of understand (so long as they don't interfere with other runners and don't use feed/water stations etc) this but the 2 guys in question actually ran the entire thing and crossed the finish line. Don't know if they tried to claim a goody bag.

HardyEustace

Have you emailed his picture to the DCM organisers?

I'm sure they a million and one things to do but it might help?

MrCreosote

He probably just left it too late to enter.

If only his thread looking to transfer an entry hadn't been locked...

robinph

Well both "Keith" and his buddy "Daithi", who appear in a couple of pictures together on marathonfoto.com, are both wearing medals on the Facebook pictures.

HardyEustace

TheRoadRunner wrote: »

They were pacing people so I guess they didn't want to be pulled off the course. I can kind of understand (so long as they don't interfere with other runners and don't use feed/water stations etc) this but the 2 guys in question actually ran the entire thing and crossed the finish line. Don't know if they tried to claim a goody bag.

I think it's taking the piss and showing a lack of respect towards the race organisers and the people who entered the race "properly" and paid money in order to contribute to the running of the race.

And isn't pacing illegal? I know that there are generic pacing groups but didn't both the first and second irish women in last years race get warnings for being paced around the course? And that was by people on bikes not by people running alongside them which would be seen as a bigger advantage?

Pisco Sour

I really dont see much point in getting too worked up about this. Its not like you were cheated out of a medal by him, its not like he was doping and as a result you ended up coming 4th rather than getting a medal. In this case you still have your medal and your finishing time which is what you were after, so mission accomplished on your part.

Its his problem that he is so sad and pathetic to pretend to all his mates that he ran the marathon, and shame on his mates if they believe him considering the obviousness of the fake number.

robinph

HardyEustace wrote: »

Have you emailed his picture to the DCM organisers?

I'm sure they a million and one things to do but it might help?

They should send him an invoice for the entry fee, plus a late payment fine, plus a fine for being an idiot.

Pisco Sour

robinph wrote: »

They should send him an invoice for the entry fee, plus a late payment fine, plus a fine for being an idiot.

plus a fine for being a sad pathetic loser

shels4ever

HardyEustace wrote: »

IAnd isn't pacing illegal? I know that there are generic pacing groups but didn't both the first and second irish women in last years race get warnings for being paced around the course? And that was by people on bikes not by people running alongside them which would be seen as a bigger advantage?

If thats the case anyone who finiched after the first 3 hours paces should be Disqualified . So the only finishers of the marathon were people who go in before the first 3 hour pace.

robinph

He shouldn't have done it, he shouldn't think that he got away with it, it's cheating the marathon out of money, it's just plain dishonest and wrong ... but I can't think of a way of making that point without either sounding petty to the DCM organisers, or getting in a mess on Facebook with him.

I just hope he legs were in a worse state than mine and his blisters get infected, or something like that.

HardyEustace

shels4ever wrote: »

If thats the case anyone who finiched after the first 3 hours paces should be Disqualified . So the only finishers of the marathon were people who go in before the first 3 hour pace.

I know, I have to admit, I'm not entirely sure about the distinctions between having pacing groups and being paced. Actually if someone could explain that would be great.

Even as I was typing out my last post and the way the article was worded, I couldn't really distinguish if it was due to being paced/coached or due to having bikes on the course or both or which was more serious.

menoscemo

I am pretty sure I saw several cheaters in the race on monday. Passing by Milltown at about 18-19 miles I saw several walkers who didn't look like they had been running and pulled up injured. lets just say their build and walking pace suggested that they probably didn't make it to 30km in under 2.5 hours

HardyEustace

robinph wrote: »

He shouldn't have done it, he shouldn't think that he got away with it, it's cheating the marathon out of money, it's just plain dishonest and wrong ... but I can't think of a way of making that point without either sounding petty to the DCM organisers, or getting in a mess on Facebook with him.

I just hope he legs were in a worse state than mine and his blisters get infected, or something like that.

To be honest, I'd steer clear of the whole facebook as it kind of smacks of cyber stalking.

However, I really don't think it's any harm to contact DCM about it. I'm sure they take it very seriously and would be glad to hear of support for this stance in the wider running community.

It's all about getting the message out that this is not acceptable behaviour.

And while I know it's really easy to feel very frustrated and thwarted by someone's behaviour, it is a very small majority.

shels4ever

menoscemo wrote: »

I am pretty sure I saw several cheaters in the race on monday. Passing by Milltown at about 18-19 miles I saw several walkers who didn't look like they had been running and pulled up injured. lets just say their build and walking pace suggested that they probably didn't make it to 30km in under 2.5 hours

some walkers went through 10 miles just after the lead group must have set off at 8am.
I think there are people who do that ever year.

menoscemo

shels4ever wrote: »

some walkers went through 10 miles just after the lead group must have set off at 8am.
I think there are people who do that ever year.

To be honest, That's more pathetic than what 'Keith' did.

MrCreosote

HardyEustace wrote: »

I know, I have to admit, I'm not entirely sure about the distinctions between having pacing groups and being paced. Actually if someone could explain that would be great.

Even as I was typing out my last post and the way the article was worded, I couldn't really distinguish if it was due to being paced/coached or due to having bikes on the course or both or which was more serious.

I think the problem was being paced by people not entered in the marathon.
Especially if they're on bikes- that's just plain cheating, and a bit sad.

I think outside influences should be banned- whether that's somebody handing out drinks at a certain point, or a group of cyclists keeping pace/carrying gels/motivating etc. Internal influences like a pacing group or other competitors are fine.

Woddle

Maybe suggest the topic as a rant on marathon talk.
http://www.facebook.com/index.php?lh=b1364d319922c3264340eca16d9e5df7&eu=JP8SUTTvNtGQi5BN-mtXSg#!/marathontalk?v=wall

YFlyer

MrCreosote wrote: »

- whether that's somebody handing out drinks at a certain point

Doesn't a number of athletes, usually the top guys, have their own drinks. What is wrong if somebody outside the 'officials' hand out a drink?

YFlyer

YFlyer wrote: »

Doesn't a number of athletes, usually the top guys, have their own drinks. What is wrong if somebody outside the 'officials' hand out a drink?

Ok I just read the rules.

http://www.bcathletics.org/main/rr_iaaf.htm

Drinking/Sponging and Refreshment Stations
8. (a) Water and other suitable refreshments shall be available at the start and finish of all races.
(b) For all events up to and including 10km, drinking/sponging shall be provided at suitable intervals of approximately 2-3km if weather conditions warrant such provision.
(c) For all events longer than 10km, refreshment stations shall be provided at approximately every 5km. In addition, drinking / sponging stations for water only shall be placed approximately midway between the refreshment stations or more frequently if weather conditions warrant such provision.
(d) Refreshments, which may be provided either by the Organising Committee or the athlete, shall be made available at the stations nominated by the athlete. They shall be placed so that they are easily accessible to, or may be put by authorised persons into the hands of, the athletes. Refreshments provided by the athletes shall be kept under the supervision of officials designated by the Organising Committee from the time that the refreshments are lodged by the athletes or their representatives.
(e) An athlete who collects refreshment from a place other than the refreshment stations renders himself liable to disqualification.

myflipflops

MrCreosote wrote: »

I think the problem was being paced by people not entered in the marathon.
Especially if they're on bikes- that's just plain cheating, and a bit sad.
.

Use of bikes is certainly cheating and warrants an immediate DQ.

I know a number of the Irish guys running 2.35 and quicker that will get people to pace them who will just run to halfway or 20 miles though. It is always done with the permission of the DCM through various sources. I don't really see what's wrong with it. It's good for the marathon to have Irish guys running as quickly as possible.

YFlyer wrote: »

Doesn't a number of athletes, usually the top guys, have their own drinks. What is wrong if somebody outside the 'officials' hand out a drink?

Completely agree with this, surely it's just smart to get your drinks at specific points?

EDIT after seeing the below

YFlyer wrote: »

Ok I just read the rules.

Drinking/Sponging and Refreshment Stations
(e) An athlete who collects refreshment from a place other than the refreshment stations renders himself liable to disqualification.

Wow. Does this mean that all the people who come out around the course for the last 6 miles with jellies and bananas and drinks to help struggling athletes are risking geting them DQ's??

YFlyer

myflipflops wrote: »

Completely agree with this, surely it's just smart to get your drinks at specific points?

Yeah I just read the rules. See my previous post.

tunney

Fair fvcks to him.

Its not cheating, he ran 26.2 miles. So he didn't pay. I think we will see more of this in the future.

robinph

tunney wrote: »

Fair fvcks to him.

Its not cheating, he ran 26.2 miles. So he didn't pay. I think we will see more of this in the future.

He's welcome to run 26.2 miles around Dublin anytime he wishes, except for last Monday when those roads were closed for the use of people who had paid to enter the Dublin Marathon.

TheRoadRunner

tunney wrote: »

Its not cheating, he ran 26.2 miles.

Or did he? No chip so no official finish, 10K or half time. He could have jumped in with 6 to go for all we know!!!!

HardyEustace

myflipflops wrote: »

I know a number of the Irish guys running 2.35 and quicker that will get people to pace them who will just run to halfway or 20 miles though. It is always done with the permission of the DCM through various sources. I don't really see what's wrong with it. It's good for the marathon to have Irish guys running as quickly as possible.

I'd have to agree with you on this point.

However, I think what people have a problem is people who are "mid pack" (can't think of a better term to describe it - not meant in a derogatory/sneering sense) who are doing this. This whole "well I think it's a good idea but I'm different/special/better so I don't have to follow the rules" mentality.

The case in point that springs to mind is being on parking duty for a local race. The amount of people that seem to think it's perfectly acceptable to pull up and block the road the race will be on "because I'll be in and out in five minutes only collecting my number" is unbelievable - they don't seem to realise that if everyone has the same attitude that chaos ensues. Pain in the arse the lot of them.

nerraw1111

tunney wrote: »

Fair fvcks to him.

Its not cheating, he ran 26.2 miles. So he didn't pay. I think we will see more of this in the future.

I think the claim is that he cheated DCM out of their money.

I couldn't care less if someone decides to run for free as long as they don't disrupt my race. But I do expect race organisers to attempt to pull them out of the race though.

Of course it's still perfectly plausible that the guy did pay and lost his race number. In a panic, he grabbed a friend's race number on the morning of the race.

RacoonQueen

robinph wrote: »

...and he didn't have the number on his back as there is nobody by his name listed in the results on TDS-Live.com

Edit: Detectiveing is fun.

Is that what they call stalking these days?

robinph

RacoonQueen wrote: »

Is that what they call stalking these days?

Well I didn't want to use the word stalking as that sounds a bit wrong. But I do know his name, the name of his probable girlfriend, the times the pair of them did in the Great Yorkshire Run, his DoB and where he's from. Sure more could be figured out simply enough.

I guess that is stalking really isn't it?

myflipflops

RacoonQueen wrote: »

Is that what they call stalking these days?

He should start a company with Krusty after the below piece of detective work/stalking........

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=68270133&postcount=79

BeepBeep67

Morally I don't agree with what 'Keith' is perceived to have done, however there's nothing anyone (organisers, stewards, authorities) can do to stop someone running 26 miles on the course (excluding starting pens and finishing area) on the October Bank Holiday Monday and any attempt to do so could potentially end up messy if an injury happened.

Brianderunner

robinph wrote: »

But I do know his name, the name of his probable girlfriend, the times the pair of them did in the Great Yorkshire Run, his DoB and where he's from. Sure more could be figured out simply enough.

Come on Robin thats a bit much. Innocent until proven guilty isnt that the way? This guy could sue you for defamation of character if he entered legit.

liamo123

robinph wrote: »

Well I didn't want to use the word stalking as that sounds a bit wrong. But I do know his name, the name of his probable girlfriend, the times the pair of them did in the Great Yorkshire Run, his DoB and where he's from. Sure more could be figured out simply enough.

I guess that is stalking really isn't it?

This is exactly why I dont have a Bebo/Facebook/Twitter etc,etc account :cool:

aero2k

robinph wrote: »

I guess that is stalking really isn't it?

myflipflops wrote: »

He should start a company with Krusty after the below piece of detective work/stalking........

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=68270133&postcount=79

I think I prefer Krusty's taste in stalking victim target.:D

Scambuster

This thread is unreal. The saddest of the sad. What difference does it make to your life if he didn't pay up? You are not competing against him. To stalk him in facebook is pathetic.

YFlyer

What is his girlfriend like?