Private sector sick days

galway2007

It looks like the private sector as almost as bad as the public sector when it comes to there sick days
http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/cost-of-sick-days-down-for-firms-but-is-still-over-euro550m-a-year-2394047.html

Do these people not want Jobs????

gurramok

galway2007 wrote: »

It looks like the private sector as almost as bad as the public sector when it comes to there sick days
http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/cost-of-sick-days-down-for-firms-but-is-still-over-euro550m-a-year-2394047.html

Do these people not want Jobs????

Perhaps you prefer humans to be replaced by robots as robots don't get sick:rolleyes:

Nijmegen

Do you bother reading past the headline?

The euro figure was down significantly on the last SFA survey two years ago, which estimated the cost at €793m.
Despite the huge cost, SMEs still have one of the better attendance records in Irish business, claims the SFA. Staff at businesses with less than 50 employees are on sick leave for an average of five days every year, compared to the national average of eight.

Nowhere in the report does it cite, for example, workers being sick mainly on a Monday or a Friday, as in the internal Department of Health report on the same matter with their own employees.

The average civil servant takes 11 days sick leave per year.

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/sick-leave-in-public-service-is-twice-the-rate-of-private-sector-1922474.html

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it is very interesting to note that the rate is about 50% less in SMEs compared to large organisations.

In larger companies (including the Civil / Public sector) it is easier to take sick leave as there is protection in numbers .... where by in smaller companines a sick day can have a bigger effect on the remainder of the company.

I am ten years in the same SME and i have taken about 4 sick days in total, and none in the last five years.

Grant it, I have worked many days when I probably was better off in bed, but there was work that just had to be done.

ei.sdraob

No sick days for me, sometimes work 7 days a week, any time during the 24hrs (Thats what you get working with people in other timezones)

A sick day for me is a day with a laptop in bed, still working no work no pay its that simple

changes

When i worked in the private sector for an american multinational i missed an average of about 20 mondays a year. Since i've joined the public sector i miss about 2 or 3 days a year and never mondays.

Riskymove

Nijmegen wrote: »

The average civil servant takes 11 days sick leave per year.

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/sick-leave-in-public-service-is-twice-the-rate-of-private-sector-1922474.html

well

Employees at bigger firms are out of the office for an average of 10 days every year.

so pretty much the same average there...some people get sick, sometimes seriously...some people take the mick with sick leave...some people dont take any sick leave....

look beyond the private/public stuff

The_Honeybadger

changes wrote: »

When i worked in the private sector for an american multinational i missed an average of about 20 mondays a year. Since i've joined the public sector i miss about 2 or 3 days a year and never mondays.

LOL, 20 mondays a year? My experience of working for an american multinational is a bit different to yours so, never once took a sick day as when you came back you had double the work to do to catch up. Were you not sacked or are you messing?

maninasia

changes wrote: »

When i worked in the private sector for an american multinational i missed an average of about 20 mondays a year. Since i've joined the public sector i miss about 2 or 3 days a year and never mondays.

I don't know any multinational that would accept that.

keane2097

changes wrote: »

When i worked in the private sector for an american multinational i missed an average of about 20 mondays a year. Since i've joined the public sector i miss about 2 or 3 days a year and never mondays.

This is obviously made up.

fenris

keane2097 wrote: »

This is obviously made up.

or why he is not working there anymore!

Gumbo

gurramok wrote: »

Perhaps you prefer humans to be replaced by robots as robots don't get sick:rolleyes:

i think the point is that with all the moaning about PS sick days, the private sector averages the same.

Riskymove pretty much sumed it up above, look beyond the Private V Public, people get sick.

Tora Bora

changes wrote: »

When i worked in the private sector for an american multinational i missed an average of about 20 mondays a year. Since i've joined the public sector i miss about 2 or 3 days a year and never mondays.

Missed 20 Monday's a year eh! I have news for you boy. Anybody who misses, or even thinks about missing 20 Monday's a year, is useless pratt.

Useless pratts never change their spots. A useless pratt will always be a useless pratt, no matter where he or she works.

So the public service is very welcome to you.

changes

mickeyk wrote: »

LOL, 20 mondays a year? My experience of working for an american multinational is a bit different to yours so, never once took a sick day as when you came back you had double the work to do to catch up. Were you not sacked or are you messing?

No i'm completely serious, we had a weekly target to achieve i always got my target done in the other 4 days and they only paid me for 4 days work if thats all i was in for.
So i got my weeks work done but they only had to pay me for 4 days if i missed the monday.
My supervisor had me in for numerous meetings to try and improve my attendance in the end i jumped before i was pushed.

changes

Tora Bora wrote: »

Missed 20 Monday's a year eh! I have news for you boy. Anybody who misses, or even thinks about missing 20 Monday's a year, is useless pratt.

Useless pratts never change their spots. A useless pratt will always be a useless pratt, no matter where he or she works.

So the public service is very welcome to you.

Thats where you are completely wrong, i haven't drank in nearly 5 years and my attendance and work rate is perfect now. People can and do change.

FreudianSlippers

I'm self-employed so there is no such thing as a sick day. If I don't work I don't make money.

You can't really call a solicitor and say that you're sick and can't appear before the Judge

gurramok

changes wrote: »

Thats where you are completely wrong, i haven't drank in nearly 5 years and my attendance and work rate is perfect now. People can and do change.

What are you trying to say?

That all those in the private sector who go sick allegedly 20 Mondays a year are alcoholics?:eek:

By the way I work in a MNC and you are 100% wrong on your 20 Mondays assertion.

galway2007

kceire wrote: »

i think the point is that with all the moaning about PS sick days, the private sector averages the same.

Riskymove pretty much sumed it up above, look beyond the Private V Public, people get sick.

Agree
But the media did not run with the private sector sick days on its front page.
When people on here were bashing the public sector for taking sick day, they implied that the private sector never took a sick day
It was like the pot calling the kettle black

gurramok

galway2007 wrote: »

Agree
But the media did not run with the private sector sick days on its front page.
When people on here were bashing the public sector for taking sick day, they implied that the private sector never took a sick day
It was like the pot calling the kettle black

We pay you hence the interest, you don't pay me hence no interest.

changes

gurramok wrote: »

What are you trying to say?

That all those in the private sector who go sick allegedly 20 Mondays a year are alcoholics?:eek:

By the way I work in a MNC and you are 100% wrong on your 20 Mondays assertion.

This post makes no sense to me at all. When did i refer to anyone but myself in the 20 days. You jumping to your own conclusions.

Also, I'm 100% wrong in what?

Gumbo

gurramok wrote: »

We pay you hence the interest, you don't pay me hence no interest.

ignore - double post.

Gumbo

gurramok wrote: »

We pay you hence the interest, you don't pay me hence no interest.

remember that the next time a consumer buys a product of your employer/MNC.
you dont know wether the customer is a public employee or private.

danbohan

changes wrote: »

When i worked in the private sector for an american multinational i missed an average of about 20 mondays a year. Since i've joined the public sector i miss about 2 or 3 days a year and never mondays.

outstanding , your exactly why we need to maintain the public sector exactly like it is , where would this country be without people like you !!

maninasia

changes wrote: »

No i'm completely serious, we had a weekly target to achieve i always got my target done in the other 4 days and they only paid me for 4 days work if thats all i was in for.
So i got my weeks work done but they only had to pay me for 4 days if i missed the monday.
My supervisor had me in for numerous meetings to try and improve my attendance in the end i jumped before i was pushed.

You misrepresented the situation initially, fact is you would have been fired within the year.

gurramok

changes wrote: »

This post makes no sense to me at all. When did i refer to anyone but myself in the 20 days. You jumping to your own conclusions.

Also, I'm 100% wrong in what?

"When i worked in the private sector for an american multinational i missed an average of about 20 mondays a year"

It doesn't happen just because its private sector. It can happen in both areas as you can be seriously sick in each.

kceire wrote: »

remember that the next time a consumer buys a product of your employer/MNC.
you dont know wether the customer is a public employee or private.

So? A tiny section of the public buys the companys products, the entire public is served by public servants.

newmug

changes wrote: »

When i worked in the private sector for an american multinational i missed an average of about 20 mondays a year. Since i've joined the public sector i miss about 2 or 3 days a year and never mondays.

No wonder you dont work there anymore:mad:

mickeyk wrote: »

LOL, 20 mondays a year? My experience of working for an american multinational is a bit different to yours so, never once took a sick day as when you came back you had double the work to do to catch up.

+1. Not only that, but in my place, when your monthly "review" comes up, any sick is an issue for the rest of the year . We're allowed 3 instances of sick absenteeism, and my place is considered generous! Any more than that and they throw the book at you, and you're out the gate on your arse for any excuse. Missing an hour is considered an instance of absenteeism.

changes wrote: »

No i'm completely serious, we had a weekly target to achieve i always got my target done in the other 4 days and they only paid me for 4 days work if thats all i was in for.
So i got my weeks work done but they only had to pay me for 4 days if i missed the monday.
My supervisor had me in for numerous meetings to try and improve my attendance in the end i jumped before i was pushed.

Well now, thats a bit different than what you originally said. If you only got paid for what you did, thats a different kettle of fish. I think the anger out there is directed at people who miss work, but get paid anyway. Lucky for you you could miss your full pay for nearly half the year.

changes

danbohan wrote: »

outstanding , your exactly why we need to maintain the public sector exactly like it is , where would this country be without people like you !!

By people like me do you mean people who turn their life around? or should nobody ever get the chance to progress in life if they've been less that perfect in the past???

changes

maninasia wrote: »

You misrepresented the situation initially, fact is you would have been fired within the year.

Wrong i was there for 3 years.

changes

newmug wrote: »

Well now, thats a bit different than what you originally said. If you only got paid for what you did, thats a different kettle of fish. I think the anger out there is directed at people who miss work, but get paid anyway. Lucky for you you could miss your full pay for nearly half the year.

On those weeks that i missed mondays i did more work than i was paid for. I did 5 days worth of work for 4 days pay.

fat__tony

The OP is clearly trolling.

Ignore him.

Mr. Presentable

gurramok wrote: »

We pay you hence the interest, you don't pay me hence no interest.

Doesn't matter which PS you are in, if you are more than a day or two sick the taxpayer foots the bill in any case.........

changes

galway2007 wrote: »

Agree
But the media did not run with the private sector sick days on its front page.
When people on here were bashing the public sector for taking sick day, they implied that the private sector never took a sick day
It was like the pot calling the kettle black

This is quite true. Its getting tiresome reading here and in the media about the perfect 'holier than thou' private sector. Absenteeism in the private sector may have tightened up now in the recession. But it wasn't always like that.

In the few private companies i worked in i seen more people swinging the lead, half doing work, missing days and generally not giving a damn about their job than i have ever seen since i joined the public sector.

People need to stop with this nonsense that the private sector is perfect and the public sector is feckless.

newmug

changes wrote: »

On those weeks that i missed mondays i did more work than i was paid for. I did 5 days worth of work for 4 days pay.

How do you define 5 days worth of work then? If you managed to do it in 4 days, you either werent being worked hard enough, or it really was just 4 days worth of work, which you were duly paid for.

danbohan

changes wrote: »

By people like me do you mean people who turn their life around? or should nobody ever get the chance to progress in life if they've been less that perfect in the past???

could it be rather than turning your life around and ''working mondays'' you have found that in the public service all you have to do turn up .

changes

newmug wrote: »

How do you define 5 days worth of work then? If you managed to do it in 4 days, you either werent being worked hard enough, or it really was just 4 days worth of work, which you were duly paid for.

Newmug we had a set target to get through in the week, i still hit my target whether i was in 4 days or 5. It wasn't that difficult.

newmug

changes wrote: »

Newmug we had a set target to get through in the week, i still hit my target whether i was in 4 days or 5. It wasn't that difficult.

Then you were being under-worked. You had it handy and you blew it by missing all those days. 20 days? People dont get that many days for holidays in most jobs!

changes

newmug wrote: »

Then you were being under-worked. You had it handy and you blew it by missing all those days. 20 days? People dont get that many days for holidays in most jobs!

It was a badly paid, boring job and i'm glad i don't work there anymore.

Staff turnover was at 30% per year when i worked there, over the years i worked there they got the full quota of work from me and paid me less than the full years salary.

Jaysoose

changes wrote: »

It was a badly paid, boring job and i'm glad i don't work there anymore.

Staff turnover was at 30% per year when i worked there.

How was it badly paid when you earned 20% extra wages the week you were "sick" on mondays?

Nice handy number now with a 0% turnover of staff.

changes

Jaysoose wrote: »

How was it badly paid when you earned 20% extra wages the week you were "sick" on mondays?

Nice handy number now with a 0% turnover of staff.

Read back over the thread jaysoose, i got paid 4 days and did 5 days worth of work the weeks that i was off mondays.

Jaysoose

changes wrote: »

Read back over the thread jaysoose, i got paid 4 days and did 5 days worth of work the weeks that i was off mondays.

I Read it and cant decide if your talking rubbish or not, you claim that you got your work done in the four days and only got paid for them yet you also say your supervisor spoke to you about your attendance....why would you have to jump before you were pushed if you were saving the company money?

Two things spring to mind, either you were woefully underworked or your full of sh1t.

leaning towards option B.

Im glad to see we are paying taxes for you to post on boards all day...of course not during your 1 1/2 hour lunch break.

20Cent

Injured Guards, prison officers and firemen probably skew the public sector figures a lot.

Jaysoose

20Cent wrote: »

Injured Guards, prison officers and firemen probably skew the public sector figures a lot.

Very cryptic...nice view from up there?

To be fair the amount of long term stress leave by clerical staff makes them all look bad and skew the numbers further.

changes

Jaysoose wrote: »

I Read it and cant decide if your talking rubbish or not, you claim that you got your work done in the four days and only got paid for them yet you also say your supervisor spoke to you about your attendance....why would you have to jump before you were pushed if you were saving the company money?

Two things spring to mind, either you were woefully underworked or your full of sh1t.

leaning towards option B.

Im glad to see we are paying taxes for you to post on boards all day...of course not during your 1 1/2 hour lunch break.

Get of your high horse jaysoose i'm off today, if your paying taxes is your boss happy your wasting his money on boards.

Supervisor wanted me in 5 days per week because that is what was in my contract and it didn't look great for my co workers to see me not turn up on mondays.

I don't understand why people would think i'm making this up. Its true and its not that hard to follow... i was on a permanent contract to work 5 days per week. We had a weekly target to hit. If i wasn't in on the monday i'd bust myself to get my weekly target done. Staff who didn't hit their target were called to meetings to discuss why. Its all down to money. I figured if i was going to be missing days then i better get my full weeks quota done.

So i would do 5 days worth of work and they paid me for the 4 days i was in. Its not rocket science and its true.

Jaysoose

changes wrote: »

Get of your high horse jaysoose i'm off today, if your paying taxes is your boss happy your wasting his money on boards.

Supervisor wanted me in 5 days per week because that is what was in my contract and it didn't look great for my co workers to see me not turn up on mondays.

I don't understand why people would think i'm making this up. Its true and its not that hard to follow... i was on a permanent contract to work 5 days per week. We had a weekly target to hit. If i wasn't in on the monday i'd bust myself to get my weekly target done. Staff who didn't hit their target were called to meetings to discuss why. Its all down to money. I figured if i was going to be missing days then i better get my full weeks quota done.

So i would do 5 days worth of work and they paid me for the 4 days i was in. Its not rocket science and its true.

lol how come all the public servants spend their days off on boards and just happen to stop posting between 12:30 and 13:50... hmmm.

changes

Jaysoose wrote: »

lol how come all the public servants spend their days off on boards and just happen to stop posting between 12:30 and 13:50... hmmm.

Because people still eat lunch when they are off.

gandalf

Hang on changes you said that you left before you were pushed in the US multinational. Would it be the same within the PS? If you missed the same number of days would you be in trouble to the same degree that you would feel the need to jump before you were pushed there within a year?

I'm surprised that it took 20 Mondays sick leave for them to take action against you and I believe that you are embellishing that number to make your arguement appear better (although tbh it doesn't reflect well on you at all!).

The couple of US multinationals I worked for in the past would have dealt with a pattern like that decisively in a far swifter manner.

changes

gandalf wrote: »

I'm surprised that it took 20 Mondays sick leave for them to take action against you and I believe that you are embellishing that number to make your arguement appear better (although tbh it doesn't reflect well on you at all!).

The couple of US multinationals I worked for in the past would have dealt with a pattern like that decisively in a far swifter manner.

I'm kind of getting bored responding now, it may be an eye opener to some people and some may wonder how this was allowed to happen but it is fact.
Listen this was the early part of the last decade. Staff turnover was high and there was a 3 month training of each new member, 6 months before they were up to speed and fully productive. I was not losing the company money at all infact if you examine the detail i was producing as much work as my co workers but for less pay.

I have nothing more to say on the matter.

gandalf

changes wrote: »

I have nothing more to say on the matter.

You brought it up so you should expect people to query you on it shouldn't you?

I notice you failed to respond to the following query.

Hang on changes you said that you left before you were pushed in the US multinational. Would it be the same within the PS? If you missed the same number of days would you be in trouble to the same degree that you would feel the need to jump before you were pushed there within a year?

I also worked for US Multinationals around the same time and they would look at certain KPI's. One of those they considered quite highly would have been absences and no matter how valuable you were for absence of the type you have described you would have been called up on them a lot earlier than a year.

The_Thing

A friend of mine who works in the private sector once bragged to me that he had a makeshift bed set up in the back of a storeroom of a well-known MNC where he once worked.

After his usual week-end on the beer he'd clock in on a Monday and show his face around the factory floor for half an hour or so then head off to the storeroom and go to sleep for an hour or two.

This same person then went on to do a business degree by night and has since become a manager at another MNC.

I also know of someone else who brings DVD rips to work on a pen drive so he can watch them when he's on shift work at week-ends.

Nadaur

Riskymove wrote: »

well



so pretty much the same average there...some people get sick, sometimes seriously...some people take the mick with sick leave...some people dont take any sick leave....

look beyond the private/public stuff

woohooo SANITY at last

Mister men

Take one sickie every month for some me time. It's all good.