FAKE JAGUAR CHANCER

doleman2010

Spotted a lovely red jaguar xj6 on the clonmel bypass last thursday looked like a late 90s or early 00 s car .
It was sporting lovely reflective number plates with the reg _ _ _ _ ZD.from my knowledge this is a Dublin reg from the 1972-1973 era. this car was in no way a series one xj6 .
These were never built with a seperate chassis so a body swap is impossible.
anyone else seen this or others like it ?
Maybe we can all find an old tax book and put the plates on a modern car and just drive around with 48 euro tax , no vrt, cheapo insurance. no nct needed also .

Max_Damage

There was a 90's XJS for sale on Donedeal a while back that had old pre-'87 plates on it too.

doleman2010

Looked on done deal its in Kilkenny, they say its a 1977 , but did jag make xjs rag tops back then ? I dont think so!

mgbgt1978

XJS Targa top appeared in 1983....Proper convertible replaced it in 1988.A 1977 XJS convertible would be worth lots and lots of money.

carchaeologist

Whats going on here so?




http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/vintagecars/1590384

doleman2010

I think that this is only the tip of the iceberg with whats going on inthe classic car game ,
These guys who are out just just avoid vrt , road tax , insurance, nct, possibly hide stolen vehicles will no doubt bring unwanted attention to the classic car scene from the Gardai -revenue .
As always its the genuine car owners who are going to end up paying for these muppets.

Spacedog

woh, snobbery overload! lets go track the owner down and dob him in out of hate filled spite.

Basil Fawlty

Good work lads go and accuse someone of ringing cars when you have no evidence. That XJS is obviously coachbuilt. Just look at the area behind the rear seats, where is the convertible roof? Also the later 90s XJS didnt have two windows in the front doors.

Im sick and tired of this classic car ringing conspiracy theory, its getting very old. Can we not just stick to appreciating the classics that grace our roads without begrudging people who have interesting cars.

doleman2010

There is nothing classic about a modern late 90 s jaguar ,( nice car alright). when its displaying a 1973 reg on the road .
We all could do this but would we have the neck to do it?

Redrocket

come in it's boards, why else would you come here apart from to show everyone how politically correct you are?

(sorry maybe a little harsh but.... sometimes thats the impression i get here on classic cars when it comes to the vrt,nct,ringing conversations. some people have nothing better to do? )

G Luxel

I saw this a few months ago and Im puzzled as to how it has an early 1970s number when its clearly a post 1990 model....





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sam22

on my wheels 6982zh is a white jaguar 2.2 diesel..............guess it was resprayed

macplaxton

For a '70s car it has a lot of non-period parts.

I don't mind mods if they're period :pac:

(I'd want some old style bumpers and Kent wheels for starters)

dutchcat

doleman2010 wrote: »

There is nothing classic about a modern late 90 s jaguar ,( nice car alright). when its displaying a 1973 reg on the road .
We all could do this but would we have the neck to do it?

pictures or it never happened

corktina

they will spoil it for us all....the Gov dont need much of an excuse to take away our priviledges...ringing is rife on the Classic scene.

gyppo

corktina wrote: »

they will spoil it for us all....the Gov dont need much of an excuse to take away our priviledges...ringing is rife on the Classic scene.

Totally agree. I've seen quite a few ads on various sites both selling and looking for pre-1980 taxbooks, and I dont think they're linked to nostalgic reasons.

bijapos

G Luxel wrote: »

I saw this a few months ago and Im puzzled as to how it has an early 1970s number when its clearly a post 1990 model....

The only reason he can get away with that is if the number which is 1972-73 was transferred to the UK and was then purchased there. It would mean that this XJS is actually a UK registered car, which for some reason I doubt as I'm sure I've seen it before. the XJS was not introduced until 1975 or 76.

I wonder why customs or gardai have never picked up someone on this, there used to be a BMW E28 going around Dublin with a 78-D-???? number. This car was first built in 1981 and it was a wonder it was never picked up by the authorities. I suppose the fact that you dont have to carry the vehicle documents on you in Ireland makes it all the easier to break the rules.

Grimreaper666

Seriously though I can see why people take the chance, i'm not condoning it by the way but the cost of road tax here for a car over 3 litres is an absolute scam and leave perfectly good cars to rot as a result. If it was a fair price I doubt anyone would do it but I can see why. Just like everything else in this country it's a rip-off.

carchaeologist

corktina wrote: »

they will spoil it for us all....the Gov dont need much of an excuse to take away our priviledges...ringing is rife on the Classic scene.

Yes it is. If you cant see it your either blind to it or at it yourself. Its getting to the stage where if you see 'original irish', you dont believe it, and have to check all the numbers to make sure its all legit....

doleman2010

Its not going to take much for the Goverment to take away the few consessions that us genuine classic car enthausists have , and these chancers are the ones to be the cause of it.
Just wait till some beardy sandle wearing lefty civil servant who tavels to work on the dart and doesnt have a car , gets a grip on whats going on and it will be the end for us who actually enjoy our classics .
What do we do ? Should we take a photo of these as we see them and report them to the nearest revenue office or the Gardai . maybe we could get reward!.
The guys who have them on sale on websites with photos must be really thick or else just so greedy that they just cant see what they are doing.

superfly35

I was told one's by a garda that the gardai are not allow to ask you for the log book, only the custom are allow to check a car.

I am wondering how the insurance works in such case?
In a case of a car crash, is somebody look over the car to determine if it is the right vehicle?

corktina

LIGHTNING wrote: »

If the goverment gets rid of the classic car tax rate I will sell my classic car.

to whom?:D

superfly35

Hopefully that day will never happen!

Traumadoc

Could they have been put on an old chassis like with the range rovers that have ZV plates?

doleman2010

You can put a newer body on a classic Range Rover 1970- 1995 as it has a seperate chassis also landrovers s1 s2 s3 90 110 defender etc and disco 1and 2.
as far as i know none of these modern jags have a seperate chassis so a body swap is impossible as they are unitary construction ie all body panels welded and bolted to form a monocoque shell .
Might be possible with a TVR though and a few rare others AC , GINETTA, Panther.
Ive seen a p38 range rover on old type plates and heard of a clown in a disco 3 also but alas no seperate chassis on these either. So what are they hideing or are they just dodging the road tax and nct?

Basil Fawlty

The XJS on the ZV plate is a 30 year old car. The cabrio didnt come out till 92 with single windows in the front door. Also that XJS has no fold away hood.

As for the ZH XJS I really dont know. Maybe the guy owns a body shop and he restored an old Irish XJS using new parts. Knowing Jaguar they didnt change much on the XJ and the XJS under the skin so Id say it could be possible, a lot of work but possible.

I personally prefer to give people the benifit of the doubt. Sure its an interesting game of spot the difference, but I wouldnt go accusing someone of ringing cars without hard evidence.

If someone questioned the reg of my MK1 Fiesta which has been on the roads of Dublin for the last 27 years and is still in excellent condition I would be less than impressed.

@ carchaeologist, I know you can like your old Datsuns, I would find it hard to believe that your old Irish reg cars survived but I wouldnt go accusing you of buy a mint one in Britain and dusting off an old log book and popping on a set of plates. You just dont know for sure so why accuse someone.


Live and let live.

doleman2010

From my knowledge of jaguars , someone tell me if im wrong , but the xjs cars were not launched in the UK until 1975-76 era, I would doubt many of them being sold in Ireland at that time .
The ZH reg i believe is Dublin from 1973-74 how does that work out.?
Jaguar launched the series 1 xj6 4 door in 1969. and the series 2 xj6 4 door in 73 or 74.
There was also a series 2 2 door coupe sold also <some were on the roads here originally.
I would doubt if you could economically make a modern xjs out of a series 2 xj6 coupe . totally different cars

carchaeologist

ciarancapri wrote: »

@ carchaeologist, I know you can like your old Datsuns, I would find it hard to believe that your old Irish reg cars survived but I wouldnt go accusing you of buy a mint one in Britain and dusting off an old log book and popping on a set of plates. You just dont know for sure so why accuse someone.

Im not accusing anyone,im just saying it as i see it.
As for the Datsuns i do know for sure,on the '80 100A (Cork city) and the '79 Laurel (Dublin). The '76 car is/was a London car,same as my '83 Chevette. I agree its hard to believe the Irish cars survived,but survive they did. I have been asked on more than one occasion why i ''dont put the 83 Chevette on an older plate'' to get the cheap tax rate.

The other issue on this is guys selling cars with fake identities...

gn3dr

carchaeologist wrote: »

Im not accusing anyone,im just saying it as i see it.

I fairness though carchaeologist, it was kind of implied that something was fishy from your post with the pictures of the black XJS.
But if you look close enough at the pictures in the ad you linked (the black and white ones) you will see, that it shows pictures of the car when it was a hard top being converted to a soft top.
Just like the guys doing the dodgy stuff are ruining it for others, people who get falsely accused also tends to ruin it a bit for the people with genuine cars.

Now the red XJS is definitely more likely to be dodgy, unless the reg was legally transferred - it is the post facelift XJS with different sidewindows.

galwaytt

LIGHTNING wrote: »

If the goverment gets rid of the classic car tax rate I will sell my classic car.

corktina wrote: »

to whom?:D

LIGHTNING wrote: »

True, well if it didnt sell I would strip her and race her in the Porsche series. Would get my rear handed to me as the only 924 on the grid but it would more fun than leaving her to rust in the driveway.

...in which case, join the club - see my sig.......:rolleyes: