Hurling/Shinty International

Hammer Archer

Thought we should have a thread for it seeing as the game is on before the International Rules on Saturday.
Anyone know where to find the Irish squad for the games? I presume they're still using counties not in Liam McCarthy.

Also the camogie and Under 21 internationals are being held in my local club Ratoath on Saturday afternoon if anyone wants to head down. It's free!

It's usually a great game to watch. The shinty sticks are great to see.

Orizio

Will this be on TV?

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

Are there many 'big' players on it this year? Wouldn't know a lot about it myself but I heard Tommy Walsh was the only all-star (or was it Liam McCarthy player?) on it last time round.

Speak Now

Tommy Walsh was captain of this last year, i think Shane Dooley and Joe Bergin were involved as well so there's a small number from counties in the McCarthy cup anyway.

rebel girl 15

Orizio wrote: »

Will this be on TV?

I presume so, it was live on TG4 last year

edit - just check TV listings, International Rules starts at 4.30 on TG4, game isn't till 7, so I presume its the shinty they are showing

rebel girl 15

Panel
Captain: Tommy Walsh Kilkenny
Paul Dermody Kildare ***
Stephen Clynch Meath
Shane Dooley Offaly
Aaron Graffin Antrim
Willie Hyland Laois
Gareth Johnston Down
Darren McCormack Westmeath
Paul McCormack Armagh
Barry McFall Antrim
Patrick Horgan Cork
Neil McManus Antrim
Tom Murnane Kerry
Brendan Murtagh Westmeath
Eoin Nolan Carlow
Andrew O’Brien Wicklow
John Rowney Laois
Jackie Tyrrell Kilkenny
*** Goalkeeper

Hammer Archer

U21 Panel
Captain: Eoin Reilly Laois***
Ryan Bogue Fermanagh
Andrew Collier Laois
Nathan Curry Armagh
Cormac Donnelly Antrim
Noel Connors Waterford
David Fitzelle Kerry
Neil Heffernan Meath
Eddie Kane Carlow
Peter Kane Wicklow
Keith Keoghan Meath
Kieran McKiernan Armagh
Shea McKiver Tyrone
Christopher Murray Laois
Shane Nolan Kerry
Dara O'Connell Kerry
Adrian Royle Kerry
Micheál Ryan Carlow
*** Goalkeeper

thered

ive never seen this game but looking forward to it:D

Hammer Archer

Ireland won the U21 game by 3-6 to 1-3. Scotland were ahead by 1-0 to 0-2 at half time but Ireland got three early goals in the second half to end it as a contest.

Clareman

I just went to http://beo.tg4.ie/ to watch the hurling/shinty and was told it wasn't available in my region, checked it on the TV then, it's dancing that's on

rebel girl 15

Clareman wrote: »

I just went to http://beo.tg4.ie/ to watch the hurling/shinty and was told it wasn't available in my region, checked it on the TV then, it's dancing that's on

Shinty isn't on till 4.30 :rolleyes:

Clareman

I thought the under 21 might be on, thought it was amusing that TG4 would deem Irish Dancing not suitable for someone on an Irish ISP

UpTheSlashers

I presume the outside posts arent used in this game?

delta_bravo

No they are not. The standard of this is very poor I think. Its quite impressive to see the scots knock a ball over 40 metres off the ground but if Tipperary played these they would absolutely demolish them. I don't know much about shinty so its possible that they haven't sent their best players either but the basic skills are lacking in the Irish team anyway.

ShamoBuc

close enough game Scots 2-16 Irl 2-15 some skill with those hockey sticks!

ballsymchugh

the shinty stick is great for getting under the ball. as one of the commentators said, they're pucking it like golfers. it's a great advantage over the hurlers.

Orizio

delta_bravo wrote: »

No they are not. The standard of this is very poor I think. Its quite impressive to see the scots knock a ball over 40 metres off the ground but if Tipperary played these they would absolutely demolish them. I don't know much about shinty so its possible that they haven't sent their best players either but the basic skills are lacking in the Irish team anyway.

I'm not sure what you expect, the skills most prevelent in this hybrid version are increasingly non-existent in Gaelic Hurling itself.

I thought it was entertaining enough myself. Patrick Horgan got some nice scores, as did one of our midfielders (Royle from Kerry maybe?).

flag123

you can see the that game of shinty has possibly bee influenced by field hockey in the mainland Britain rather hurling seems to be untouched from any other modern sport.

Stinicker

Orizio wrote: »

I'm not sure what you expect, the skills most prevelent in this hybrid version are increasingly non-existent in Gaelic Hurling itself.

I thought it was entertaining enough myself. Patrick Horgan got some nice scores, as did one of our midfielders (Royle from Kerry maybe?).

A great interesting game to watch, Shinty is the true form of Ancient Hurling and was known as Winter or Ground Hurling before the GAA standardised the sport to modern standards. Ancient games would be played as running pitch battles over fields and up and down mountains and something similar still exists today in an annual game played in the Isle of Man on St. Stephens day. A game of cammanacht should be organised in some big arena like a Horse racing course and let men be men without their pansy helmets.

Psychedelic

Can someone explain the scoring system? Scotland were getting 2 points for putting it over the bar, seems like an unfair advantage. Although I think sometimes they were only awarded 1 point.

Entertaining game to watch, I think there is another game I think in a week or two?

Hammer Archer

Psychedelic wrote: »

Can someone explain the scoring system? Scotland were getting 2 points for putting it over the bar, seems like an unfair advantage. Although I think sometimes they were only awarded 1 point.

Entertaining game to watch, I think there is another game I think in a week or two?

If a free or 65 is taken from the ground and goes over, it's worth 2 points. Basically all the Shinty frees are taken from the ground so any free or 65 they score is worth 2 points. Most of Ireland's frees were jab lifts so they were only 1 point. Although Ireland did get a free off the ground in the second half.
All scores from open play are one point.

The next test is on November 13th but it's in Inverness. Don't know if it'll be on TG4 but it's usually on BBC Alba.

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ShamoBuc wrote: »

close enough game Scots 2-16 Irl 2-15 some skill with those hockey sticks!

I was there expecting to be bored to death....... far from it,those scots ran rings around us and were way more skillful and fully deserved their victory. i found it a very entertaining game. i could not get over the accuracy and length of the pucks the scots could achieve with those weapons!:D

ascanbe

Stinicker wrote: »

A great interesting game to watch, Shinty is the true form of Ancient Hurling and was known as Winter or Ground Hurling before the GAA standardised the sport to modern standards. Ancient games would be played as running pitch battles over fields and up and down mountains and something similar still exists today in an annual game played in the Isle of Man on St. Stephens day. A game of cammanacht should be organised in some big arena like a Horse racing course and let men be men without their pansy helmets.

So it's somehow 'unmanly' to wish to avoid suffering a potentially fatal head injury?
Your idea of 'manliness' obviously doesn't include basic intelligence.

Stinicker

ascanbe wrote: »

So it's somehow 'unmanly' to wish to avoid suffering a potentially fatal head injury?
Your idea of 'manliness' obviously doesn't include basic intelligence.

All those dead bodies piling up because of dangerous Hurling, lets just ban it altogether eh? I wonder how the ancients managed without Helmets or cotton wool?

It is not so much to avoid a fatal head injury but rather a fatal lawsuit that Helmets were brought in, sport for sport Hurling is no more dangerous than soccer, gaelic football or Rugby. Some players used Helmets and they are common underage so it was easy for the GAA to bow to their insurers and enforce this madness to the detriment of the game, same thing with Pitch invasions.

How come they were able to allow the shinty players to play without helmets, although one or two had hockey helmets of their own choosing. The GAA knew if they tried enforcing such stupidity the Shinty boys would probably walk. Imagine ordering Wayne Rooney into a knights armor incase he'd get fouled - stupidity and all it shows is how much the GAA only cares about one thing money and profit.

People die playing soccer regularly worldwide, Gaelic Football has had several tragic deaths and Rugby similarly. No matter what you do in life there is some built in risk associated with it.

As for your "intelligence" comment I have reported you and hope are infracted for such an insulting thing.

eroo

Must say I found the hurling/shinty game very entertaining, hope the 2nd test is televised.

Much better than international rules as well.

dartsfan

Why don't Ireland field a full strength team? I know players have club commitments this time of year so some won't be available, but it's far from the best 15 that Ireland could put out.

Perhaps it's to even it up? I recall us absolutely annihilating them a couple of years back in a game.

Was enjoyable enough to watch though. As someone posted above, it's like they're playing golf with the swing and distance they can get.

UpTheSlashers

dartsfan wrote: »

Why don't Ireland field a full strength team? I know players have club commitments this time of year so some won't be available, but it's far from the best 15 that Ireland could put out.

Perhaps it's to even it up? I recall us absolutely annihilating them a couple of years back in a game.

Was enjoyable enough to watch though. As someone posted above, it's like they're playing golf with the swing and distance they can get.

I presume its to keep it competitive. Does anyone have insight into the standard of the Shinty panel? I would like to see the strongest possible teams fielded. On the other hand its interesting to get to see players from "weaker" hurling counties.

phkk

Paul Dermody,the goalkeeper was great....brought off some fantastic saves. Hurls in goal for Kildare, used to play for a club in Kilkenny, Graigue- Ballycallan. As a kilkenny man, was disappointed with Tommy Walsh,never really got into the game for such a class hurler.

deisedude

Stinicker wrote: »

All those dead bodies piling up because of dangerous Hurling, lets just ban it altogether eh? I wonder how the ancients managed without Helmets or cotton wool?

It is not so much to avoid a fatal head injury but rather a fatal lawsuit that Helmets were brought in, sport for sport Hurling is no more dangerous than soccer, gaelic football or Rugby. Some players used Helmets and they are common underage so it was easy for the GAA to bow to their insurers and enforce this madness to the detriment of the game, same thing with Pitch invasions.

How come they were able to allow the shinty players to play without helmets, although one or two had hockey helmets of their own choosing. The GAA knew if they tried enforcing such stupidity the Shinty boys would probably walk. Imagine ordering Wayne Rooney into a knights armor incase he'd get fouled - stupidity and all it shows is how much the GAA only cares about one thing money and profit.

People die playing soccer regularly worldwide, Gaelic Football has had several tragic deaths and Rugby similarly. No matter what you do in life there is some built in risk associated with it.

As for your "intelligence" comment I have reported you and hope are infracted for such an insulting thing.

The likelihood of suffering a serious eye injury playing hurling is far greater than any of the other sports you mentioned which is one reason they are good for the game. My own grandfather had to wear glasses for most of his life as a result of such an injury.

Cut the macho crap and stop lamenting for times gone by when men were real men.:rolleyes: There is no great conspiracy from the GAA here, its for the safety of all players

Snap2010

Watching it makes many a Junior hurler look safe to be by on a pitch.

Fr. Jessip

with the wide range of counties on show, anyone know how they go about picking a team?

Psychedelic

Anyone know when this year's Hurling/Shinty match is on?

Clareman

According to wiki it's on the 29th of October in Inverness

Connorzee

Any panel being announced or been training?

Kojak

Are TG4 going to have coverage of it again this year?

eroo

Wikipedia has the fixture but GAA.ie doesn't. What an utterly useless site; so slow to update competitions.

Agus

eroo wrote: »

Wikipedia has the fixture but GAA.ie doesn't. What an utterly useless site; so slow to update competitions.

It is on the GAA site.


Saturday October 22nd, 2011
TBC

SENIOR HURLING / SHINTY INTERNATIONAL 1ST TESTIrelandvs.ScotlandAthy, Co.KildareMore info
Saturday October 29th, 2011
TBC

SENIOR HURLING / SHINTY INTERNATIONAL 2ND TESTScotlandvs.IrelandBught Park, InvernessMore info

eroo

Do you have a link?

Nothing here:
http://www.gaa.ie/fixtures-and-results/national-fixtures/shinty-hurling-internationals-senior/

ormond lad

eroo wrote: »

Wikipedia has the fixture but GAA.ie doesn't. What an utterly useless site; so slow to update competitions.

Agus wrote: »

It is on the GAA site.


Saturday October 22nd, 2011
TBC

SENIOR HURLING / SHINTY INTERNATIONAL 1ST TESTIrelandvs.ScotlandAthy, Co.KildareMore info
Saturday October 29th, 2011
TBC

SENIOR HURLING / SHINTY INTERNATIONAL 2ND TESTScotlandvs.IrelandBught Park, InvernessMore info

eroo wrote: »

Do you have a link?

Nothing here:
http://www.gaa.ie/fixtures-and-results/national-fixtures/shinty-hurling-internationals-senior/

click on the link and go to the drop down menu
http://www.gaa.ie/fixtures-and-results/national-fixtures/search-results/

cruiserweight

Squad has been named http://www.hoganstand.com/Hurling/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=156683

Speak Now

Ireland squad: P Mullaney (Laois), A Graffin (Antrim), C Donnelly (Antrim), D Kennedy (Kildare), T Murnane (Kerry), B Maher (Tipperary), K Divilly (Kildare), E Price (Westmeath), M Rice (Kilkenny), W Hyland (Laois), B Murtagh (Westmeath), E Nolan (Carlow), J Bergin (Offaly), E Kelly (Tipperary), A O'Brien (Wicklow), D Maguire (Tyrone), J Doran (Kildare), S Morley (Mayo).

Kerrydude1981

TG4 showing the game live on Saturday,coverage starts at 2.30

Connorzee

God forbid anymore than 2 or 3 big names might play... Espeically under 21, i find it hard to believe youngfellas wouldnt go for the craic, if not the gear! Half the kerry u21 team there. Meyler already practicing for next year?

Speak Now

Connorzee wrote: »

God forbid anymore than 2 or 3 big names might play... Espeically under 21, i find it hard to believe youngfellas wouldnt go for the craic, if not the gear! Half the kerry u21 team there. Meyler already practicing for next year?

I'm not 100% per cent sure but i think theres some agreement that the team wont be full of the bigger inter county stars.
Last time out Tommy Walsh was the only kilkenny player.

Kerrydude1981

Connorzee wrote: »

God forbid anymore than 2 or 3 big names might play... Espeically under 21, i find it hard to believe youngfellas wouldnt go for the craic, if not the gear! Half the kerry u21 team there. Meyler already practicing for next year?

I suppose some of the players from the stronger counties didnt make themselves available due to club championships that are still going on.



The U21 Hurling/Shinty panel is as follows:

1. Eoin Reilly -Laois (Goalkeeper)
2. Michael Armstrong -Antrim
3. John Coyne - Roscommon
4. David English - Carlow
5. John Gilligan - Westmeath
6. Conor Grogan -Tyrone
7. Declan Hannon - Limerick
8. Jason Leahy - Kerry
9. Alan McGrath - Westmeath
10. Brian Murphy - Kerry
11. Killian Murphy -Westmeath
12. Shane Nolan -Kerry
13. Darragh O'Connell - Kerry (Captain)
14. Barry O'Mara -Westmeath
15. Eanna O'Neill -Kildare
16. Mick Purcell - Kildare
17. Morgan Quinn - Leitrim
18. Ollie Walsh - Kilkenny

klong

Jerry Seinfeld wrote: »

I'm not 100% per cent sure but i think theres some agreement that the team wont be full of the bigger inter county stars.
Last time out Tommy Walsh was the only kilkenny player.

Is that because we'd end up winning all the time?

MrJoeSoap

Anyone else watching this?

Mountainlad

I am now

MrJoeSoap

Mountainlad wrote: »

I am now

Good first half, 0-8 to 0-3 up.

Mountainlad

MrJoeSoap wrote: »

Good first half, 0-8 to 0-3 up.

Yeah some nice scores too. Kelly and that Nolan lad. It's great to see the ball travelling so far and fast straight off the sod.

MrJoeSoap

Mountainlad wrote: »

Yeah some nice scores too. Kelly and that Nolan lad. It's great to see the ball travelling so far and fast straight off the sod.

Another cracker there from Willie Hyland.