would you buy new 1.6 tdi golf ?

fjireland

hi there,

im thinking about changing the car at the minute and am looking at a demo model of 2010 1.6 tdi golf, i know it seems mad buying new this late in year but i have an 06 1.4 petrol toyota corolla to trade in and the way i see it... im getting good deal on my corolla (being allowed 7.5 k which wont happen in january) and the golf is going cheaper than a new order in 2011 would be cause of it being a demo model... selling at 20,500 so i could have the car for 13k...

im between two minds, have always been a toyota man and honestly they have never given me a single bit of bother... im wary of heading for volkswagen... dad got rid of a 1.9 passat last year that was a money pit that broke his heart and a mate with a 1.4 petrol golf has had nothing but grief too.... should i go for it, and will the 1.6 be any good as it fairly new (09) ?

any advice appreciated

meathstevie

Don't stare at the first two digits on the licence plate if you buy a car unless you buy it to trade it in the very near future.If you're going to drive it for a good few years the first two digits on the reg should be the least of your worries.

Don't get stuck thinking about a 1.4 Golf your friend has which in my opinion is an underpowered car and as a result is quite thirsty and costly to run.

shawnee

Think you would be crazy to change ! You obviously have reservations about the Vw (from your comments) Your corolla has not given you any problems and belive me you will always get a decent price for a second hand Corolla. Everyone likes a change mind you me included. I would definitely hold out to 11 and maybe have a good valet on your Corolla and treat yourself to some nice extras. Vws are certainly not as reliable and resaleable as before

-Corkie-

The 1.6 tdi is underpowered imo. I wouldnt consider it if its not a highline. I cant give you an honest answer op. Vw and Audi are gone waaaayyy down in my estimations of late. Funnily all the crap that went on about Toyota wouldnt stop me from buying one..:)

mullingar

The Golf is the LAST car I would buy. Its far too over rated, over priced for what it is.

Spend your money elsewhere on something decent, IMO the best car in that class is the Focus

-Corkie-

mullingar wrote: »

The Golf is the LAST car I would buy. Its far too over rated, over priced for what it is.

Spend your money elsewhere on something decent, IMO the best car in that class is the Focus

True. A mate got a Focus titanium. Class car. There a way nicer than the mondeo. All vw`s and Audis are overrated.

fjireland

thanks for all the replies.... i dont know, i think i will just hold fire til the new year and if i still have the urge to change, i'll have a better look around .. the only reason id take the plunge now would be to get decent price on the corolla, i know id be lucky to get 6k for it in new year even though its strata model and all so the decent price for my corolla for the golf had me spurred on .... still i dont want a lemon on my hands then just for sake of good price... and maybe the golf should be avoided...

yeah the focus looks lovely and i know few mates with them that swear by them but the interior always looks pretty plastic-y to me so that has always put me off...

if only toyota hadnt swapped the decent corolla for the tacky auris a few years back and the saloon corolla looks lovely and all but i wouldnt touch it in 1.4 litre as is....

all that recall business earlier in the year hasnt put me off them but its the actual models, even the avensis looked better before the 09 model i think

Nonoperational

mullingar wrote: »

The Golf is the LAST car I would buy. Its far too over rated, over priced for what it is.

Spend your money elsewhere on something decent, IMO the best car in that class is the Focus

The last car you would buy? That's a bit melodramatic isn't it? The MK6 golf is a decent car.

Drummerboy08

gpf101 wrote: »

The last car you would buy? That's a bit melodramatic isn't it? The MK6 golf is a decent car.

But it is over rated as a car.

The Focus is a much nicer car to drive, and is cheaper.

OP, if you want a Golf but don't want to pay the price for one, why not look at a Seat Leon 1.6TDi or Skoda Octavia 1.6TDi? Same car, but cheaper.

The Focus would get my vote though, only problem is the new model coming shortly.

Nonoperational

Why would you say it's overrated?

Drummerboy08

gpf101 wrote: »

Why would you say it's overrated?

Look at the Leon and Octavia. Same chassis, same engines, more or less the same interior.

Why should the punter pay more money for a different badge? It doesnt make sense. Not only that, unless you fork out for a Highline, you'll have a car with very little spec, as is the VW way.

Nonoperational

But there is a very considerable diference in looks between the 3 cars. Poor enough spec alright.

Drummerboy08

gpf101 wrote: »

But there is a very considerable diference in looks between the 3 cars. Poor enough spec alright.

There is a difference in looks between the 3 alright, but looks are subjective. To you, the Golf might look great, but to me the Leon might look better.

Where as you can't argue over spec. Its there on one and isnt on the other.

fjireland

does anyone know much about this 1.6 tdi engine in the new golf... like is it up to the job or does it make the car feel sluggish, the 1.4 petrol corolla i have at the moment is grand and all but it isnt great overtaking and is pretty powerless driving at 120 on motorway so im hoping to have something bit more powerful next time, would you have to spring for the 2.0 model to have decent power, not that im looking for a total racer car, just feel i want something more substantial next time

and not just really with the golf, but the seat or skoda octavia - their 1.6 engines are vw as well aren't they so what are people's views or experiences of these 1.6 diesel engines?

Bobo78

If I had the money I would buy Golf.
The best way to find out is the 1.6 diesel powerful enough for you is to go and get a test drive in the VW dealership.

-Corkie-

gpf101 wrote: »

Why would you say it's overrated?

They are overrated. The only Golf I would buy is the GTI like what you have. The normal Golf is more boring than a Corolla. They should call them boreline as opposed to trendline.

-Corkie-

fjireland wrote: »

does anyone know much about this 1.6 tdi engine in the new golf... like is it up to the job or does it make the car feel sluggish, the 1.4 petrol corolla i have at the moment is grand and all but it isnt great overtaking and is pretty powerless driving at 120 on motorway so im hoping to have something bit more powerful next time, would you have to spring for the 2.0 model to have decent power, not that im looking for a total racer car, just feel i want something more substantial next time

and not just really with the golf, but the seat or skoda octavia - their 1.6 engines are vw as well aren't they so what are people's views or experiences of these 1.6 diesel engines?

The 2.0 is 140 BHP. That would have bags of power for what you need. Get the highline it will be worth it when you trade it in a few years. I know I will be shot down on this now because everyone will say the DMF and injectors will Fcuk up after a while..;)

Ryan T

I have a 1.6tdi golf comfortline and I have no complaints.

Its economical €104 to tax for a year and currently getting 61 mpg but I'm no speed merchant !!!

Overall I am delighted with it.

The jealous looks it recieves from people driving lesser brands such as skoda always gives me a laugh !!!!!

If you are looking for a very reliable car (I know as I have had 12 years trouble free motoring with vw golfs) with a great resale value then buy a golf.

skyhighflyer

I had a 1.6 TDI as a hire car recently in the UK and found it was perfectly adequate on the motorway and for overtaking. Very refined for a diesel too.

Oddly, I found that the car was very laggy below 1700 rpm, and the 'suggested gear' on the on-board computer was suggesting to change up a gear all the time. For a while, I decided to do as it said but this basically meant shuddering along off-boost so decided to ignore it.

Other than that, can't fault it and it returned a claimed 60mpg on the journey which was nice

fjireland

well im not a racer myself either and i dont want to have an overpowered car either so that's why im so undecided ... i dunno i def need to think longer about golf or not for the next car and if i go for a golf whether 1.6 or 2.0 tdi will be for me....

thanks ryan t ... good to hear someone with the 1.6 is very happy with it, do you mind me asking do you do alot of city driving in traffic and stuff, im out in the sticks and drive a fair bit and just find the 1.4 petrol i have now to be pretty powerless for overtaking and driving clear on the straight at times, but i dont want anything too powerful either.... im wondering would the 1.6 be a big enough step up from the 1.4 petrol i have

thanks skyhighflyer too, good to hear you had no probs too, i have heard that about this suggested gear change in the new golf and that it is utterly useless and you just go with your own instincts and ignore it

-Corkie-

Best thing to do is test drive one op. I am basing my opinion on driving the Passat with the same engine.

The Express

Ryan T wrote: »

I have a 1.6tdi golf comfortline and I have no complaints.

Its economical €104 to tax for a year and currently getting 61 mpg but I'm no speed merchant !!!

Overall I am delighted with it.

The jealous looks it recieves from people driving lesser brands such as skoda always gives me a laugh !!!!!

If you are looking for a very reliable car (I know as I have had 12 years trouble free motoring with vw golfs) with a great resale value then buy a golf.

Jealous look? It's a golf your driving, not a Rolls-Royce. They're probably thinking: lovely car, but definately not worth 3K more than an Octavia :cool:

Ryan T

My previous 4 cars have been 1.4 petrols and its my first ever diesel.
I find it more powerful but not massively.

My driving is a combination of commutting to work ( in the sticks also)and urban driving. Probably two thirds long spins and one third around town.

Hope this helps but the best thing to do is test drive one. I was unsure too and the dealer gave me one for a weekend and my mind was made up after the first evenings driving. Also its not noisy which I thought all diesels were.

Ryan T

The Express wrote: »

Jealous look? It's a golf your driving, not a Rolls-Royce. They're probably thinking: lovely car, but definately not worth 3K more than an Octavia :cool:

Well worth more than the 3k friend. !!!

Especially when it comes to resale - the octavia does not compare when you trade in as there is always a demand for a vw golf

fjireland

ryan t , cool thanks for the advice- i test drove 1 already , it seemed grand the 1.6 to me but of course i didnt wander too far (or fast) away from the dealers in it to get proper feel , ... maybe the 1.6 will be grand, it didnt seem too slow to me anyway at the time, had been thinking about a qashqai and drove 1 while back , was put right off after test drove 1- def 1.5 is not enough to pull a car that size so that was finished for me, so maybe the 1.6 is grand, i didnt come away from it thinking it was lousy like i did with the qashqai anyway

meathstevie

fjireland wrote: »

does anyone know much about this 1.6 tdi engine in the new golf... like is it up to the job or does it make the car feel sluggish, the 1.4 petrol corolla i have at the moment is grand and all but it isnt great overtaking and is pretty powerless driving at 120 on motorway so im hoping to have something bit more powerful next time, would you have to spring for the 2.0 model to have decent power, not that im looking for a total racer car, just feel i want something more substantial next time

and not just really with the golf, but the seat or skoda octavia - their 1.6 engines are vw as well aren't they so what are people's views or experiences of these 1.6 diesel engines?

It's not only the engines they share. Everything except body parts ( you'll find that accross the wider VW family of brands and models even a good few of those bits and bobs are perfectly interchangeable ) and interior are a common platform; as in the same as the other yoke.

fjireland

Meathstevie, so seat, vw, skoda have more than the engines in common.

i can understand where people come from with not getting sucked in by the vw badge and all when the other two brands are practically the same only cheaper to buy.... but the skoda octavia , though it looks great, i dont really want to go for a saloon, would prefer to stick with a hatchback again this time and the seat, i just think seling it on in few years would be harder and the bit you'd save now over a vw would cost you alot more when you go to trade in next time,

the golf just looks and feels more like the sort of car i want- a decent size hatch, i wouldnt entertain the auris, if toyota had a decent hatch id love to but it but not the auris anyway and ford focus- they feel really plastic-ky inside to me

Squall19

Ryan T wrote: »

Well worth more than the 3k friend. !!!

Especially when it comes to resale - the octavia does not compare when you trade in as there is always a demand for a vw golf

No there isnt! Golfs lose alot like any other car, Skoda are right up there with the best now, its fools like you that believe that bull**** and miss out on fantastic value motors like the Octavia Vrs with a tasty 170bhp, now thats worth 3k extra:p

slimjimmc

fjireland wrote: »

Meathstevie, so seat, vw, skoda have more than the engines in common.

i can understand where people come from with not getting sucked in by the vw badge and all when the other two brands are practically the same only cheaper to buy.... but the skoda octavia , though it looks great, i dont really want to go for a saloon, would prefer to stick with a hatchback again this time and the seat, i just think seling it on in few years would be harder and the bit you'd save now over a vw would cost you alot more when you go to trade in next time,

the golf just looks and feels more like the sort of car i want- a decent size hatch, i wouldnt entertain the auris, if toyota had a decent hatch id love to but it but not the auris anyway and ford focus- they feel really plastic-ky inside to me

The Octavia only comes as a 5-door hatch back or an estate (the Combi).
There is no traditional 4-door booted saloon Octavia.

Divorce Referendum

Ryan T wrote: »

Well worth more than the 3k friend. !!!

Especially when it comes to resale - the octavia does not compare when you trade in as there is always a demand for a vw golf

You are getting jealous looks from Skoda drivers because of the superior resale value. Just listen to yourself. Everytime I see someone driving a new Golf I think what a crazy idea to splash out so much money on a insanely ordinary car. Other cars are reliable now too you know, we are not living in the age of the mk2 golf.

Green Hornet

Ryan T wrote: »

The jealous looks it recieves from people driving lesser brands such as skoda always gives me a laugh !!!!!

This must be a troll! Jealous looks in a dull looking Golf? Go away out of that and dont be fooling yourself. Sorry but those days went out with the 80's.

R.O.R

Screw the Golf 1.6Tdi and try to get a deal on the Alfa Gullt Gieuli 147 Replacement.

Much better spec than a Golf. Better fuel economy than a Golf and better performance than a Golf (in Dynamic).

opinion guy

shawnee wrote: »

Think you would be crazy to change ! You obviously have reservations about the Vw (from your comments) Your corolla has not given you any problems and belive me you will always get a decent price for a second hand Corolla. Everyone likes a change mind you me included. I would definitely hold out to 11 and maybe have a good valet on your Corolla and treat yourself to some nice extras. Vws are certainly not as reliable and resaleable as before

Having just sold a corolla I completely disagree with this. I could not give the f**king thing away. I think the OP's price he is being offered in very good in the current market. Remember it's petrol pre 2008 - 300 euro to tax and the f**kin thing drank petrol like an relapsed alcoholic making up for lost time.

-Corkie- wrote: »

The 1.6 tdi is underpowered imo. I wouldnt consider it if its not a highline. I cant give you an honest answer op. Vw and Audi are gone waaaayyy down in my estimations of late. Funnily all the crap that went on about Toyota wouldnt stop me from buying one..:)

There are two models of the 1.6tdi. One is 93 BHP (ish) and the other is 105BHP. I've only driven the 93BHP one and yes I agree it is underpowere. OP Given that you are selling the corolla for the same reasons I would think this would not have enough power for you. I found the 93bhp version to be even more sluggish than my corolla which was the same year as yours. I haven't driven the higher BHP one - ask your dealer for a spin in the higher BHP one.

fjireland wrote: »

does anyone know much about this 1.6 tdi engine in the new golf... like is it up to the job or does it make the car feel sluggish, the 1.4 petrol corolla i have at the moment is grand and all but it isnt great overtaking and is pretty powerless driving at 120 on motorway so im hoping to have something bit more powerful next time, would you have to spring for the 2.0 model to have decent power, not that im looking for a total racer car, just feel i want something more substantial next time

and not just really with the golf, but the seat or skoda octavia - their 1.6 engines are vw as well aren't they so what are people's views or experiences of these 1.6 diesel engines?

As above. By the way my feelings on the corolla were the same as yours - no overtaking power and useless on the motorway - also too light on the motorway - got blown all over the place if there was any wind. Also did I mention it drank petrol like nobody's business ?


Honestly - I think you probably want a 2ltdi. That 140BHP model is quite powerful but still economical and I think still fits in the 104EUR tax bracket (the Audi A3 version does anyhow)

Will PM you what I got for my corolla.

Mr.David

Ryan T wrote: »

The jealous looks it recieves from people driving lesser brands such as skoda always gives me a laugh !!!!!

Ryan T, as in Mr.T?

I think not!

I pity the fool who throws 3k away on VW badge snobbery.

Get some nuts!

anewme

I have a Golf GTD and it is an absolute dream to drive. Fab Car. Sporty and comfortable. My sister bought a 1.2tsi petrol Golf and loves it also.

Nonoperational

The Alfa is a really fine car alright I'd absolutely love one! Leaving all that alside I still maintain the Golf with the 1.6 tdi engine would be a fine car and I did like it when I sat in one. Didn't drive one mind but I suspect it would be a perfectly adequate every day driver. Probably is a bit over priced but then again you do a small bit better ehen reselling it down the line.

Elessar

Am considering a new Golf myself too. Has anyone driven the 1.4 TSI with DSG gearbox?

Worth a look for you too OP.

Nonoperational

I've heard good things about the 122bhp TSi and the DSG is excellent.

Drummerboy08

Elessar wrote: »

Am considering a new Golf myself too. Has anyone driven the 1.4 TSI with DSG gearbox?

Worth a look for you too OP.

Think that combination is only available in Highline spec?

996tt

Drummerboy08 wrote: »

Think that combination is only available in Highline spec?

According to this you are correct:
http://www.volkswagen.ie/media/country/ie/x/pdf_downloads/product_guides.Par.0005.File.pdf/golf_a6_my11_week.pdf

However 1.2 TSI is available with DSG even with the basic spec.

Mate has a bog std 1.6TDI. Its a 7speed he seems happy with it, he had the old 1.9TDI DSG before it, its a world of difference, much quieter, feels faster and the gearchange is very very smooth

fjireland

996tt , i thought the 1.6 only came in 5 gear model??

anybody any experiences of the mitsibishi lancer- know the resale value wouldn't be great but they have a nice 2.0 diesel model that is much cheaper and better looking inside than the golf basic models

996tt

fjireland wrote: »

996tt , i thought the 1.6 only came in 5 gear model??

anybody any experiences of the mitsibishi lancer- know the resale value wouldn't be great but they have a nice 2.0 diesel model that is much cheaper and better looking inside than the golf basic models

Its a DSG, they now come in 7speed, they are a complete new box, much smoother than the old 6 speed DSG

tobsey

fjireland wrote: »

thanks for all the replies.... i dont know, i think i will just hold fire til the new year and if i still have the urge to change, i'll have a better look around .. the only reason id take the plunge now would be to get decent price on the corolla, i know id be lucky to get 6k for it in new year even though its strata model and all so the decent price for my corolla for the golf had me spurred on .... still i dont want a lemon on my hands then just for sake of good price... and maybe the golf should be avoided...

yeah the focus looks lovely and i know few mates with them that swear by them but the interior always looks pretty plastic-y to me so that has always put me off...

if only toyota hadnt swapped the decent corolla for the tacky auris a few years back and the saloon corolla looks lovely and all but i wouldnt touch it in 1.4 litre as is....

all that recall business earlier in the year hasnt put me off them but its the actual models, even the avensis looked better before the 09 model i think

I'm suprised nobody picked up on this. You expect to get 6k trade in next January, that's losing 1500 on what you were offered now. The Golf will probably lose three grand in the new year so you will get it for a lot less than you are now. The depreciation on a four year old car is going to be a lot less than on a brand new car. If you don't need to swap now then hold off.

Squall19

996tt wrote: »

Its a DSG, they now come in 7speed, they are a complete new box, much smoother than the old 6 speed DSG

When did they release the diesel Lancer? I cant find anything on the irish site, they used a VW 2.0 140bhp diesel for the last 2 or 3 years, but that was only in the uk.

I know the Fabia is from a class below, but the new Vrs is a stunning car.180bhp, loads of torque, turbo and supercharged 1.4 petrol which returns 45mpg and it can dash to 60mpg from a standstill in 7 seconds, thats fast and for 22k you have a frugal Golf gti beater almost.

http://www.carzone.ie/new-cars/Skoda/Fabia/1.4-TSI-180HP-RS-DSG/795129520101007/

The 115bhp, 300nm torque Fiat Bravo 1.6 diesel is a steal too.