JFK : The Homecoming - Bank Holiday Monday 9.30pm

JonathanAnon

Just saw it promo'd there.. Tubridy risking his reputation with all this Kennedy stuff he's getting involved with... It's alright waffling on about JFK to look like an intellectual when you're on the radio, but I'm sure a lot of historians (and me too ) will be waiting to pick holes in this program and his book..

Syferus

Err, you mean he'd risk developing a reputation for anything at all?

This about as mild and easily documentable subject matter as anyone could be interested in, honestly. The mere mention of JFK usually makes most Irish people over a certain age become a bubblering wreck and it's not like there hasn't been personalities helming documentaries and indeed writing books on historical subjects before, ask Terry Jones!

JonathanAnon

Latest Promo...

"Ryan Tubridy analyzes just how significant president Kennedy's historic visit to Ireland in 1963 was to him and to Ireland on JFK: A Homecoming tomorrow night at 9.30pm"

He was born in 1973, how could it have been important to him.. ??

dambarude

JonathanAnon wrote: »

He was born in 1973, how could it have been important to him.. ??

Picking holes already JonAnon?;)

The whole JFK-jellies-I'm a nerd thing doesn't wash with me. It mightn't be false but it seems that way to me.

JonathanAnon

dambarude wrote: »

Picking holes already JonAnon?;)

I know. Not like me to do such a thing is it..

Maybe Kennedy, with his life of privilege, wealth and inherited political influence ... is the only thing that Tubridy can relate to..

Latchy

JonathanAnon wrote: »

Latest Promo...

"Ryan Tubridy analyzes just how significant president Kennedy's historic visit to Ireland in 1963 was to him and to Ireland on JFK: A Homecoming tomorrow night at 9.30pm"

JFK touching down in Ireland back in 1963 was like watching an ol black and white movie suddenly turn into colour ......welcome Ireland to the 20th century .:pac:

He was born in 1973, how could it have been important to him.. ??

No doubt some of tubritys kin shook hands and touched forlock in the presense of this Adonis called JFK :cool:

( who for a man that suffered with all kinds of serious ailments was surprisingly very healthy and fit looking )

DeepBlue

JonathanAnon wrote: »

"Ryan Tubridy analyzes just how significant president Kennedy's historic visit to Ireland in 1963 was to him and to Ireland on JFK: A Homecoming tomorrow night at 9.30pm"

I suspect that "him" is meant to read as:

"Ryan Tubridy analyzes just how significant president Kennedy's historic visit to Ireland in 1963 was to JFK and to Ireland on JFK: A Homecoming tomorrow night at 9.30pm"

rather than:

"Ryan Tubridy analyzes just how significant president Kennedy's historic visit to Ireland in 1963 was to Ryan Tubridy and to Ireland on JFK: A Homecoming tomorrow night at 9.30pm"

Latchy

DeepBlue wrote: »

I suspect that "him" is meant to read as:
rather than:

Exactly it's not about Turbs at all is it? It's all about the Pres

JonathanAnon

DeepBlue, you know what.. you could be right... but from the way it was phrased in the ad, that never even crossed my mind.. but I think you are probably right.. fuk it anyway :mad:

Latchy

^ Ya fcuk it :mad:

JonathanAnon

It was their ambiguity, not mine..
I'm not usually ambiguous when it comes to Tubridy..

I wonder will he address Kennedy's womanizing, Marilyn, the mob etc etc.. on the voiceover he was posing the question of whether Kennedy did it as some sort of cynical self serving visit, or whether he actually had a genuine affection for Ireland... Considering he loves Kennedy, I dont know if he's objective enough to be asking those questions..

Poly

yeah, I presume he will just gloss over Joe Kennedy, the murkiest and most interesting of the Kennedys..
Great stroke of luck for Tubs, RTE choose to make a JFK Doc at the same time he releases his book.

Our License fee makes a program, to further promote his stupid book, enriching the little twat even more.

Something very rotten in RTE

JonathanAnon

http://www.rte.ie/radio1/thehistoryshow/

Tubridy is on talking about JFK, the book, the TV documentary etc etc.. to Myles Dungan on yesterday's new radio show.. The History Show... Show was aired yesterday at 6PM but is available to listen back to on the above page on the website..

btard

JonathanAnon wrote: »

Just saw it promo'd there.. Tubridy risking his reputation with all this Kennedy stuff he's getting involved with... It's alright waffling on about JFK to look like an intellectual when you're on the radio, but I'm sure a lot of historians (and me too ) will be waiting to pick holes in this program and his book..

What reputation would that be then ?

fontanalis

The homecoming, so the title tries to claim JFK as irish. Christ how many Americans are laughed at when they call themselves Irish despite having as much irish blood as the descendant from corrupt alcohol smugglers?

coylemj

JFK was a lot more Irish than Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan, he (JFK) was Irish on both sides of his family, the Kennedys and Fitzgeralds.

Although he had visited Ireland in the 1940s, the visit as president in 1963 had a big effect on Kennedy. Both Teddy and Jean said that when JFK went back to the US he often watched film clips of the visit in the White House cinema and he was particularly impressed with the Guard of Honour of army cadets at Arbour Hill for the wreath-laying ceremony, so much so that Jackie asked that the same men participate in the funeral the following November after he was assassinated.

Believe me the visit was a big event in dreary Ireland in the 1960s, there probably hadn't been as big an event since the Eucharistic Congress in 1932. Tubridy's grandfather Todd Andrews probably attended some of the events as he was a big nob in FF over the years.

fontanalis

He had Irish ancestry on both sides. People laugh at Americans when they claim to be Irish (as irish as the Kennedys) but are quick to claim any bit of celebrity background as irish.
Remember that ridiculous song "no one as irish as Barack Obama"? I hope those two are on their way to Van Diemens land post haste.

AOwannabe

Anybody watching?

Lots of close-up shots, stately music and Tubridy (not wearing a tie :eek:) walking around looking very contemplative and wistful.

JonathanAnon

AOwannabe wrote: »

Lots of close-up shots, stately music and Tubridy (not wearing a tie :eek:) walking around looking very contemplative and wistful.

lol.....

"Coming from where he was, in terms of his father's wealth, and the luxury he was brought up in"...
*spits coffee across the room*

JonathanAnon

jaysus if you didnt know better you'd think Diarmiud Ferriter was a brickie...

amdublin

****E! I am over in the reality forum watching the apprentice and completely forgot about this.

What time is on until?!

JonathanAnon

Hi amdub, on til half ten.. Can wait to see the footage of Joel Haley Osmond shooting him from the top of the GPO..

amdublin

JonathanAnon wrote: »

Hi amdub, on til half ten.. Can wait to see the footage of Joel Haley Osmond shooting him from the top of the GPO..

Hi Jonathan, I'm laughing at this but had to figure it out first as well

amdublin

What a handsome man he was

amdublin

Compared to all those old fuddy duddies in the dail he looks so young and glamourous and healthy......just American

Poly

A glorified episode of Nationwide about sums it up.

How much are we paying for DLB to promote his book???

JonathanAnon

Very hard to work out what the overall question being posed by the program is... probably would have been better just to do a straight chronological review of the trip, instead of trying to work out the somewhat ambiguous question of "what it MEANT to Kennedy"

"The standard of dressing amongst the women guests here this afternoon is terrific"...
you hear that amdub... why dont ye make the same effort any more

amdublin

Poly wrote: »

A glorified episode of Nationwide about sums it up.

True.

Nothing groundbreaking either, we all know his health was actually poor contrary to appearances.

AOwannabe

Did Tubs really need to travel all the way to Galway for that shot of him looking out over the ocean?

amdublin

JonathanAnon wrote: »

"The standard of dressing amongst the women guests here this afternoon is terrific"...
you hear that amdub... why dont ye make the same effort any more

The cheek of you! I am dressing a la Mad Men every day currently*. Jackie O herself, would approve I am sure.





* well sometimes. Most of the other times I just wear my pyjamas out and about.

Poly

amdublin wrote: »

True.

Nothing groundbreaking either, we all know his health was actually poor contrary to appearances.

poor tubs, toncillitus can be very serious.

JonathanAnon

I wonder will we see the same crowds when Barrack Obama comes to visit his ancestory, the muck savages of Moneygall.. Apparently if the natives see a helicopter above their heads they throw spears at it.. so the secret service would want to watch out for that..

amdublin

AOwannabe wrote: »

Did Tubs really need to travel all the way to Galway for that shot of him looking out over the ocean?

Ah sure he loves Galway, Connemara and all that. Nothing he likes more than sticking a few leather patches on the elbow of his blazer and away down to Connemara to read books for the weekend. "stick another piece of turf on the fire there Aoibheann my little rose"

amdublin

:eek:

DLB would want to lay off the whiskey. The big red nose on him in that last shot.

Poly

"JFK- A homecoming" my arse, more like "DLB- a junket"

JonathanAnon

Disjointed to show him entering the Dáil again (having shown clips already of his speech in the Dáil)...

They just repeated that bit...

JonathanAnon

My friends da was one of the Irish cadets sent over with the cadets to do the funeral in 63..

amdublin

JonathanAnon wrote: »

Disjointed to show him entering the Dáil again (having shown clips already of his speech in the Dáil)...

They just repeated that bit...

Very disjointed. From Dallas to the rosay beads to the funeral. Like why not the shooting to the funeral and then to the rosary beads??

goose2005

JonathanAnon wrote: »

It was their ambiguity, not mine..
I'm not usually ambiguous when it comes to Tubridy..

I wonder will he address Kennedy's womanizing, Marilyn, the mob etc etc.. on the voiceover he was posing the question of whether Kennedy did it as some sort of cynical self serving visit, or whether he actually had a genuine affection for Ireland... Considering he loves Kennedy, I dont know if he's objective enough to be asking those questions..

Not to mention the electoral fraud that got him elected, the Bay of Pigs, ignoring civil rights

AOwannabe

There's a very good review of this programme in the Culture section of the Sunday Times. It's a subscription website so unless you have a sub you'll have to buy a hard copy if you want to read some more Tubridy bashing.

JonathanAnon

AOwannabe wrote: »

if you want to read some more Tubridy bashing.

Shure I wouldnt be in to that sort of thing...

You cant tease us like that, could you not scan it in ..

ballsymchugh

amdublin wrote: »

Ah sure he loves Galway, Connemara and all that. Nothing he likes more than sticking a few leather patches on the elbow of his blazer and away down to Connemara to read books for the weekend. "stick another piece of turf on the fire there Aoibheann my little rose"

i'm not jealous in the slightest, but i'd love to be able to say that too!!

AOwannabe

JonathanAnon wrote: »

Shure I wouldnt be in to that sort of thing...

You cant tease us like that, could you not scan it in ..

I could type it out myself but would it be against forum rules to do such a thing?

Cole

Just read it...old school hardcopy style. It's only a short piece but I'm sure some of Tubridys devotees here;) will like it, self indulgent and junket vibe from it.

Sure aren't the shops still open?

amdublin

Oooh someone scan it in please!!!!

Latchy

JonathanAnon wrote: »

My friends da was one of the Irish cadets sent over with the cadets to do the funeral in 63..

Watched the exellent you tube documentry on that event which made a big impression on the day to all who were there at the funeral . Would be something else to say to your children that grandad had being part of the guard of honour at JFK's funeral .

As part of my lil collection of JFK memoribilia , I have both the JKF cd issued by THE JFK TRUST and THE KENNEDY HOMESTEAD to commemorate the 40th anniversary of the visit to Ireland by President John F. Kennedy and JFK in Ireland video

http://store.jfklibrary.org/jfk/product.asp?dept_id=&pf_id=PAAAIADJNCGDCFDG&

http://www.amazon.com/John-Kennedy-Ireland-VHS/dp/6304290004

AOwannabe

Here ya go, I left out a small bit but this should be enough to feed your insatiable Tubridy hating appetites...

Imagine the following documentary: Ryan Tubridy goes to America, takes a taxi in New York, strolls around Washington for a bit and loiters too long by the Lincoln Memorial. He does a lot of wistful gazing, notably at Arlington Cemetery. He interviews two guys, one of whom is well known to political junkies, the other not so much. It’s really amazing and unbelievable he gets to interview this pair. Tubs doesn’t say that, but you can tell he’s thinking it. Then he walks out of a subway in New York, goes home to Ireland and gazes wistfully at a few more things, including the control tower of the old Dublin Airport, the garden at Aras an Uachtarain and Galway Bay.

Would you watch that documentary? Of course you wouldn’t. What would be the point? It might work if it was some sort of tit-for-tat deal whereby you then went round to Tubridy’s house and forced him to sit through the stultifyingly dull video of your holidays - but that’s kind of unlikely.

Unfortunately, all this footage was wedged into JFK: A Homecoming, Tubridy’s glossy documentary on John F Kennedy’s visit to Ireland in 1963. Inside the flabby hour was a marvellous programme trying to get out, but unable to transcend the presenter’s self-indulgent hero worship. He had clearly spent hours in the archives and dug out every last scrap of Kennedy’s four days in Ireland, along with some illuminating radio interviews from the 1960’s, but the impact of all that toil was diluted to a bright-eyed obsession with JFK.

Rather than focusing tightly on the Kennedy visit, Tubridy succumbed to the temptation of trawling through JFK’s life and career, while subjecting us to inane analysis. At Lismore Castle, where Tubridy told us the young scion was “engaging, handsome” and had “loads of money” - a “heady cocktail”. With an awed giggle, he added “I mean, there wasn’t too much he could do wrong at that stage, so I would imagine he had a great deal of fun here”.

Tubridy’s banal observations had this viewer diving behind the couch for a good cringe, especially given the considered contributions provided by a trio of history professors, along with some entertaining anecdotes from the writer Colm Toibin.

Wasn’t there anyone at RTE with the backbone to stand up to the Late Late Show presenter and say “This isn’t good enough, Tubs. There’s far too much filler. Focus on the topic at hand and never mind regurgitating secondary school history books. And if you want to go America to gaze wistfully at things, you can pay for it yourself”?

Sunday Times

JonathanAnon

It might work if it was some sort of tit-for-tat deal whereby you then went round to Tubridy’s house and forced him to sit through the stultifyingly dull video of your holidays

funny.. lol.. thanks for posting.. Nobody has mentioned the repetition in the program, the section of JFK giving his speech in the Dáil, and subsequent analysis ... was this a slip up on the night ??

Poly

All right, hands up, which one of us is the Times hack?

Another fine publication in Turbridys black book.:D

jimmynokia

had the pleasure of missin this again tonight only told it was on by the misses lol

JonathanAnon

jimmynokia wrote: »

had the pleasure of missin this again tonight only told it was on by the misses lol

I caught the end of it.. This did not require sending him to the States.. They should have just brought a camera in to his radio studio and got him to read the lines "JFK... a great (Irish) lad.." with a Father Ted wink to camera ... that would have sufficed..