Right Wing Ireland

th3 s1aught3r

Why is there no right wing party in Ireland?
FF and FG really operate in the middle ground where most of the voters are and most of the rest are lefties.
Most European countries have strong right wing parties, its odd we dont here

knird evol

th3 s1aught3r wrote: »

Why is there no right wing party in Ireland?
FF and FG really operate in the middle ground where most of the voters are and most of the rest are lefties.
Most European countries have strong right wing parties, its odd we dont here

We're just focusing on the Civil War here. Don't go complicating things.

Snakeblood

knird evol wrote: »

We're just focusing on the Civil War here. Don't go complicating things.

Don't forget where grandaddy was in the GPO.

And grubbing as much as you can from the trough for your neighbours.

Sharkey 10

I would argue that our country is center right . We dont have any good left wing parties . Pds were right i suppose (to me anyway) and look what happened to them.

wes

Maybe there policies don't appeal to people. Perhaps its time to go to the drawing boards, and come up with something new.

AnonoBoy

We've got Youth Defence.

Our resident right wing anti-gay, anti-women nutjobs.

They're great craic.

Micky Dolenz

If we had two wings wouldn't we stop going around in circles?

Pauleta

Conservatism is thankfully on its way out of Ireland especially with the downfall of the catholic church and for the far-right anti immigration style groups, they are not really socially accepted (although times may change). The right in political terms is thankfully a non entity. Now we have to get rid of these left wing nut jobs that want everything to be nationalised, the minimum wage to go up, €300 on the dole and sunshine lolly pops.

Good straight down the middle centrist politics all the way

Riamfada

Ive got some uniforms and some guns.Im currently working on a spiffing mustache but its taking me ages to design a good logo in photoshop because all the good ones are taken. When I get it done Im going to have a putcsh in coppers and see what kind of reaction I get.

Most likely Ill just be forced to simulate sex acts with drunken culchies like that Kanagaroo.

Gerry Asstrix

The reason there is no right wing party or movement in Ireland, is that despite our mass stupidity in electing FF/FG for the last few centuries, the Irish people can now see the mess centre right politics has got us in and the last we need is further right politics in Ireland.

There has never been any credible far right party or movement in Ireland bar the likes of youth defense and Justin Barrett running in the Euros, and they are normally stay on the fringes thank god.

Usually far right politics attracts morons and lunatics such as this gobsh*te Michael Quinn, who is trying to start some sort of BNP style white nationalist movement in Ireland, thankfully it doesnt outside his own head and bedroom.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6O9HvFNkXWI&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnlaU9ofNdc&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89Gh0_0LlXQ&feature=related

Killer Pigeon

th3 s1aught3r wrote: »

Why is there no right wing party in Ireland?
FF and FG really operate in the middle ground where most of the voters are and most of the rest are lefties.
Most European countries have strong right wing parties, its odd we dont here

I'm all for the establishment of an 'Irish National Front Party' or simple 'Irish National Party'.

We should bring back the blue shirts too.

Riamfada

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

I'm all for the establishment of an 'Irish National Front Party' or simple 'Irish National Party'.

We should bring back the blue shirts too.

Blue dosnt match my eyes. Pick a cooler colour. The nazis had brown, the soviets had red and the partito nazionale had black.Something that screams "take me the fuck seriously" blue kinda screams "take me the fuck seriously if you want". Its all psychology.

FreudianSlippers

I really wish we had a Libertarian party here (socially left, economically right).

centrism ftw

the further you are from the centre, the more I want to see you f*cked over.

Des Carter

No FF and FG are infact Right Wing its just that their so useless and stupid that they keep failing at it.

knird evol

Right - Left - Centre

It's a bit simplistic isn't it. I think we should have a three dimensional pigeon hole system. Your political leanings are given an x,y,z co-ordinate. We could reduce everyone's economic and societal opinions to three numbers. You could probably develop a computer program to collate all these recorded numbers in the country and map out the policy and decisions for government and how to deal with each event. No need for elections or politicians

topper75

Gerry Asstrix wrote: »

the Irish people can now see the mess centre right politics has got us in and the last we need is further right politics in Ireland.

Using money taken from taxpayers' pockets to bail out failed private enterprises is a centre-right policy?:pac:
Don't think so pal!!!!!

OisinT wrote: »

I really wish we had a Libertarian party here (socially left, economically right).

Now we are on to something.

AckwelFoley

Socialist joe higgins - Sinn feinn - Greens - Labour X- FF/FG - PD's

x = cenetrist

FF/FG are somewhat of different than the other parties, you have members of each that fall left of the center and right of centre, but because of their history are aligned with either fg of ff

The After Hours Troll

Forget right wing man, this leads onto bull**** posts about centre right, current right parties, etc and other ****e.

What you mean is far right parties and why unlike Europe we have none. I raised this point last week.

If there was ever a time they could do something in an election it would be now.

conorhal

knird evol wrote: »

Right - Left - Centre

It's a bit simplistic isn't it. I think we should have a three dimensional pigeon hole system. Your political leanings are given an x,y,z co-ordinate. We could reduce everyone's economic and societal opinions to three numbers. You could probably develop a computer program to collate all these recorded numbers in the country and map out the policy and decisions for government and how to deal with each event. No need for elections or politicians

Hmmmm.... Your ideas intrigue me, I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

knird evol

conorhal wrote: »

Hmmmm.... Your ideas intrigue me, I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

yeah, i think i should patent it before someone steals the idea

th3 s1aught3r

The After Hours Troll wrote: »

Forget right wing man, this leads onto bull**** posts about centre right, current right parties, etc and other ****e.

What you mean is far right parties and why unlike Europe we have none. I raised this point last week.

If there was ever a time they could do something in an election it would be now.

It would be nice to have some conviction politicians alright, rather than most of our lot who pander to the centre in order to win votes. I often wonder how many TD's of FF or FG actaully believe in their policies or whether they are just following them becasue they are looking for votes

However in the Far Right parties of Europe is a strong racist and white supremacist element we could do without here

Bottle_of_Smoke

Sinn Fein and republican groups like Eirigi, depite being left wing, fill the grass-roots community based role that right wing groups in other countries build up from.

In Leeds you have David Peters the BNP counciller telling constituents problems are due to immigration. In Dublin you have Ruairi O Connor from Eirigi telling consituents they're being exploited by the ruling class.

These groups also attract the anti-establishment interest. Take say Eirigi occupying anglo-irish bank premises. No doubt some people joined Eirigi after that but previously had no interest in Irish republicanism.

Same with EDL/BNP, they say f*ck the system and protest at things. People notice them for that and become right wing after joining.

We also haven't had mass immigration until recently. Usually a link between that and emergence of right wing groups

McDougal

Pauleta wrote: »

Conservatism is thankfully on its way out of Ireland especially with the downfall of the catholic church and for the far-right anti immigration style groups, they are not really socially accepted (although times may change). The right in political terms is thankfully a non entity. Now we have to get rid of these left wing nut jobs that want everything to be nationalised, the minimum wage to go up, €300 on the dole and sunshine lolly pops.

Good straight down the middle centrist politics all the way

There's no such thing

cjt156

OisinT wrote: »

I really wish we had a Libertarian party here (socially left, economically right).

This was the basis the PDs were started on. In a time when divorce, abortion and gay rights were still a political minefield. Whatever happened to them?

FreudianSlippers

cjt156 wrote: »

This was the basis the PDs were started on. In a time when divorce, abortion and gay rights were still a political minefield. Whatever happened to them?

I was a PD member, but they dissolved the party.

Shenshen

th3 s1aught3r wrote: »

Why is there no right wing party in Ireland?
FF and FG really operate in the middle ground where most of the voters are and most of the rest are lefties.
Most European countries have strong right wing parties, its odd we dont here

I don't know, I always thought of those parties as fairly right-wing...

rossie1977

th3 s1aught3r wrote: »

However in the Far Right parties of Europe is a strong racist and white supremacist element we could do without here

thats where the problems lie, with far right policies you get that, the whole idea of far-right means that you are superior and everyone not following or not in your group are inferior, same around the world be it the nazis, bnp, klu klux klan, far right politics means anything different to them be it race, colour or greed, sexual preference, religion etc etc is inferior

knird evol

Irish people are too Nice to be far right. We are the highest contributors per ca pita to charity, anti war, anti nuclear energy, human rights , all that crap.
Irish aren't the type to feel superior to anyone

McDougal

OisinT wrote: »

I was a PD member, but they dissolved the party.

haha

Riamfada

OisinT wrote: »

I was a PD member, but they dissolved the party.

Didnt they only have one member? Hi Michael!

McDougal

OisinT wrote: »

I really wish we had a Libertarian party here (socially left, economically right).

The last thing we need are more bloody right wing liberals

FreudianSlippers

McDougal wrote: »

The last thing we need are more bloody right wing liberals

social or economic?

Gerry Asstrix

topper75 wrote: »

Using money taken from taxpayers' pockets to bail out failed private enterprises is a centre-right policy?:pac:
Don't think so pal!!!!!

Yes I think so pal, its the hallmark of centre right establishment

HavingCrack

The idea of politics as a line is outdated and has no real usage in the modern sense. A x-y axis gives you a much better perspective.

For example right wing pplitics could refer to a totalitarian police state (Nazi's etc.), a conservative government similar to David Cameron and co. in the UK, a religious theocracy like Iran or an Anarcho-Capitalist free market utopia depending on your particular views. Then of course there's Right-Libertarians which are socially "left wing" but economically "right wing".


If you specify what type of right wing you're referring to I can give you a better answer.

cjt156 wrote: »

This was the basis the PDs were started on. In a time when divorce, abortion and gay rights were still a political minefield. Whatever happened to them?

The PD's focused too much on the economic side of their policies while doing very little on the social side. They always seemed to be conservative to me rather than libertarian or liberal (whichever term you prefer).

OisinT wrote: »

social or economic?

I'd imagine economic somehow.

topper75

Gerry Asstrix wrote: »

topper75 wrote: »

Using money taken from taxpayers' pockets to bail out failed private enterprises is a centre-right policy?
Don't think so pal!!!!!

Yes I think so pal, its the hallmark of centre right establishment

Gerry - right-wing economic thinking involves reducing govt interference in the economy - less taxes, no price controls, less subsidies, and encouraging private individuals to go and do things for themselves.

Now how can you possibly link that with using billions of taxpayers euros and future tax euros to bail out private banks??? Walk me through your brain and square this circle for me please.

HavingCrack

topper75 wrote: »

Gerry - right-wing economic thinking involves reducing govt interference in the economy - less taxes, no price controls, less subsidies, and encouraging private individuals to go and do things for themselves.

Now how can you possibly link that with using billions of taxpayers euros and future tax euros to bail out private banks??? Walk me through your brain and square this circle for me please.

While right wing economics generally advocates as little government influence in the economy many centre right parties in various countries have bailed out large corporations on many occasions to protect the interests of big business. Most notably would be the US administration rescuing General Motors from insolvency. In Ireland the bailout of Anglo Irish by the centre right Fianna Fail is similar.

judestynes

th3 s1aught3r wrote: »

Most European countries have strong right wing parties, its odd we dont here

What do you think the Catholic church is????? or was??? The Irish lived under extreme right wing rule for most of our history and then along came the church in all their powerful glory and they stayed the dominant power in the country up until the late 80's or early 90's when certain catholic doctrines were removed from the statutes of law. Ireland doesn't need or want anymore right wing nutters.

FreudianSlippers

judestynes wrote: »

What do you think the Catholic church is????? or was??? The Irish lived under extreme right wing rule for most of our history and then along came the church in all their powerful glory and they stayed the dominant power in the country up until the late 80's or early 90's when certain catholic doctrines were removed from the statutes of law. Ireland doesn't need or want anymore right wing nutters.

You're talking about socially right though, not economically right.

Copper23

th3 s1aught3r wrote: »

Why is there no right wing party in Ireland?
FF and FG really operate in the middle ground where most of the voters are and most of the rest are lefties.
Most European countries have strong right wing parties, its odd we dont here

Look at the history of the country and the political parties, explains most of it.

The irish culture isn't diverse enough IMO have have extremes in any wing.

Jazzy

th3 s1aught3r wrote: »

Why is there no right wing party in Ireland?
FF and FG really operate in the middle ground where most of the voters are and most of the rest are lefties.
Most European countries have strong right wing parties, its odd we dont here

lolololololololol

FreudianSlippers

Jazzy wrote: »

lolololololololol

Good post bro.

InTheTrees

judestynes wrote: »

What do you think the Catholic church is?????

Exactly. Who needed a right wing party when there was an unelected right wing cult with a strangulation hold over the state?

Jazzy

OisinT wrote: »

Good post bro.

i think its an accurate reaction to an idiotic post

FreudianSlippers

Jazzy wrote: »

i think its an accurate reaction to an idiotic post

lol no I was being serious.

Rockery Woman

Right Wing Parties.....

Oh like the BNP in Britain.... yeah, we really need that.

NOT!

PanchoVilla

It's called the Roman Catholic Church and they have a ridiculous amount of power in this country. I mean, they can literally rape thousands of children and get away with it.

Terry

knird evol wrote: »

Irish people are too Nice to be far right. We are the highest contributors per ca pita to charity, anti war, anti nuclear energy, human rights , all that crap.
Irish aren't the type to feel superior to anyone

There is that. Then there's the general apathy. Then the all talk and no action from the majority.

Then you have the fact that Right wing parties tend to have a large anti-immigration policy.
Until recently we only had a few Chinese and British people here.
Were you to start a BNP style party in any large town in Ireland at the moment, you would garner quite a lot of support.

We're also still quite tribal in a lot of ways. So many people are always willing to vote for the local politician because they know his family. Look at Bertie for example. They never take their political actions into account. They just want to stick it to the cúnt from the other town/county/parish. It's quite sad really.

A local FG representative had a hissy fit after the last local election. She checked how many people from my estate (where she lives) gave her the #1 vote. It was very few.
She went on a rant about how she had done this, that and the other for us. All she ever did was call to people and annoy them.

I was going somewhere with this, but then I got distracted by my neighbours stealing my wifi.

th3 s1aught3r

Jazzy wrote: »

lolololololololol

Could you give a little more detail
I dont know if you though my post was funny or stupid

McDougal

OisinT wrote: »

social or economic?

economic liberals hence why I said right wing liberals.

FreudianSlippers

McDougal wrote: »

economic liberals hence why I said right wing liberals.

I misread your earlier post.