do other nations complain as much as ireland ?

SamSamSammy

are we a nation of moaners and bitter jealously driven haters ?

UK today says they are cutting 83 BILLION , were only expecting to cut 4 , maybe 5 billion....... and everyone swears ireland is the worst place in the world!!!!!

Rebelheart

SamSamSammy wrote: »

are we a nation of moaners and bitter jealously driven haters ?

UK today says they are cutting 83 BILLION , were only expecting to cut 4 , maybe 5 billion....... and everyone swears ireland is the worst place in the world!!!!!

Is this a complaint, or just a question?

Random

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Grimreaper666

no, others just go to war...........As someone said to me recently, we'd have had a revolution here years ago if we could get someone else to do it, how right he was, there's certainly no fighting Irish left, anyone with any get up and go has got up and left.

PeterIanStaker

You have to complain and say Ireland is the worst place on earth.

If you say anything good about Ireland, it is automatically assumed you are in the IRA.

SamSamSammy

why do we complain and moan so much ?

Overheal

SamSamSammy wrote: »

are we a nation of moaners and bitter jealously driven haters ?

UK today says they are cutting 83 BILLION , were only expecting to cut 4 , maybe 5 billion....... and everyone swears ireland is the worst place in the world!!!!!

From my Point of View, Ireland complains the least. Or rather, I've never seen such an appalling complaint:action ratio as Ireland's got. Cement Truck heroes and protest rallies are far too uncommon.

karlog

So our country is or isn't in the sh*tter?

Scuid Mhór

everyone complains.

SamSamSammy

UK cut 83 BILLION..... i think thats worse than us.... people say they'll move to UK for jobs....... how does that make sense......

people make out ireland to be worse when they have bigger cuts!

strobe

SamSamSammy wrote: »

are we a nation of moaners and bitter jealously driven haters ?

UK today says they are cutting 83 BILLION , were only expecting to cut 4 , maybe 5 billion....... and everyone swears ireland is the worst place in the world!!!!!

Well if you watch Scottish or English comedians tones of them have a stock "you can say one thing for the English, we are the best in the world when it comes to having a good moan, at least we top the world in one thing, amIright?" joke or bit. There are probably plenty of German/French/Dutch/Norwegian comedians with the same stand up bit in their routine.

So no, it's nothing specific to Ireland. It's a human thing not an Irish one.

skelliser

In France they want to increase the retirement age by 2 years and this is what happens

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9s-mwosnsI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8m8zfrJEcN8

We dont complain enough!!
Or bother to take to the streets!!

Last year Brian Clowen spent 850k of our money on 6 personal advisors! Imagine what they would do in France in Sarkozy did something like that!!

Also are incompetent gov raised our retirement age by 2 years last year and no one said boo!

PanchoVilla

SamSamSammy wrote: »

why do we complain and moan so much ?

Stop moaning.

starbelgrade

SamSamSammy wrote: »

are we a nation of moaners and bitter jealously driven haters ?

UK today says they are cutting 83 BILLION , were only expecting to cut 4 , maybe 5 billion....... and everyone swears ireland is the worst place in the world!!!!!

Just to put that into perspective - The UK population is around 61 million & they have the 3rd largest economy in Europe. So relatively speaking, their cuts will be felt a lot less.

And even so, the Brits love to moan too. It's not just the Irish.

egan007

SamSamSammy wrote: »

are we a nation of moaners and bitter jealously driven haters ?

UK today says they are cutting 83 BILLION , were only expecting to cut 4 , maybe 5 billion....... and everyone swears ireland is the worst place in the world!!!!!

ONLY?

Ever hear of relativity?
61 million people in UK / 4million in Ireland

83 billion divided by 61 million = 1360
4 billion divided by 4 million = 1000

In reverse UK have far far far more revenue generating capacity than Ireland purely based on population, therefore they can fix their problems quicker.

Greentopia

SamSamSammy wrote: »

are we a nation of moaners and bitter jealously driven haters ?

UK today says they are cutting 83 BILLION , were only expecting to cut 4 , maybe 5 billion....... and everyone swears ireland is the worst place in the world!!!!!

I think the Brits are bigger moaners than us by far. Open any U.K. newspaper and see what a nation of whingers they are. They're always bleating about how the country has gone to hell in a handbasket with hoodies, immigrants, benefit cheats, single mothers, and on and on.

Ah, if only Diana were still alive...:pac:

Pherekydes

Plus, the Uk aren't pouring their entire body of cuts down a black hole in Seanie FitzPatrick's back garden.

greeno

Ah here look at the size of their population and ability to raise taxes compared to our country. There is no comparison.

SamSamSammy

the UK seem a better nation to us then ?

Angron

It's only when we are content as a nation that we are really in trouble. Complaining is our main form of communication.

edit: bloody laptop, messing up my typing

cypharius

skelliser wrote: »

In France they want to increase the retirement age by 2 years and this is what happens

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9s-mwosnsI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8m8zfrJEcN8

We dont complain enough!!
Or bother to take to the streets!!

Last year Brian Clowen spent 850k of our money on 6 personal advisors! Imagine what they would do in France in Sarkozy did something like that!!

Also are incompetent gov raised our retirement age by 2 years last year and no one said boo!

They should raise it by a month for every day they keep rioting.

Kasabian

Stupid fcuking thread.
Everything is fcuking stupid.



etc.

:pac:

skelliser

cypharius wrote: »

They should raise it by a month for every day they keep rioting.

Dunno about you but i dont intend on working until 67 to pay for Seanies, Biffos and Berties **** ups!

cypharius

skelliser wrote: »

Dunno about you but i dont intend on working until 67 to pay for Seanies, Biffos and Berties **** ups!

Nor do I, I'll be moving once I'm ready. But the French are raising it from 60 to 62.

starbelgrade

skelliser wrote: »

Dunno about you but i dont intend on working until 67 to pay for Seanies, Biffos and Berties **** ups!

You don't have to work until you're 67. You can retire whenever you like.

The only catch is that you'll have to have enough money to live on.

egan007

SamSamSammy wrote: »

the UK seem a better nation to us then ?

Oh God - I just realised i posted in After Hours!

Precious flower

Grimreaper666 wrote: »

no, others just go to war...........As someone said to me recently, we'd have had a revolution here years ago if we could get someone else to do it, how right he was, there's certainly no fighting Irish left, anyone with any get up and go has got up and left.

Oh but if we got up they'd be sorry, they'd be sorry!!:rolleyes:
All that uproar for just the one issue and looked at all the things we've had to take and not a single budge from us, I'd say the older generations would have made their voice heard for less.
But I'd say the main reason for that is because some people are just trying to get by and don't have time for rioting, but I'd say the in budget in December could change everything..........

Kasabian

starbelgrade wrote: »

You don't have to work until you're 67. You can retire whenever you like.

The only catch is that you'll have to have enough money to live on.

Your right I am retiring at 48 or tonight if Teletext decides to show my lotto numbers.

Fcuking Aertel. :pac:

OPENROAD

starbelgrade wrote: »

And even so, the Brits love to moan too. It's not just the Irish.

+1

I love London and Londoners but I am amazed at the things they complain about at times, for instance if they have to wait 5 mins for the nxt tube, they start complaining about the service, they also complain about the cost of the tube, they don't realise how lucky they are and how cheap it actually is.

cleremy jarkson

If I'm not mistaken, the UK are cutting £83 billion over 4 years
= 94.34 billion euro at today's exchange rates.

We're trying to cut 15 billion euro over 4 years.


So they're trying to cut 6.2 times more than us.


population of uk = 61.4 million
population of ireland = 4.4 million
---> they have 14 times more people than us but are only trying to save 6 times what we're trying to save.
---> we're trying to save over twice as much per person as they are.


Still though, we do talk about the budget situation an awful lot.

Millicent

SamSamSammy wrote: »

are we a nation of moaners and bitter jealously driven haters ?

UK today says they are cutting 83 BILLION , were only expecting to cut 4 , maybe 5 billion....... and everyone swears ireland is the worst place in the world!!!!!

Eh, do ye know how population numbers work? Population of UK: 61 million. Population of Ireland: 4.2 million. Not a giant difference in cuts per person there OP.

ETA: Just saw Cleremy's much better post there. Dammit!

skelliser

starbelgrade wrote: »

You don't have to work until you're 67. You can retire whenever you like.

The only catch is that you'll have to have enough money to live on.

i know that put did you read the small print?

Basically you can opt out which means your on your own. Also the money the gov collects will be goin to the same pension fund managers that have screwed up their returns in the recession! Happy days for them!

You might be thinking sure what odds, il get the state pension anyways but no, this is a nice little plan to let the state pension rot, because the majority who can afford it will go with this or private.

By the time you reach 67 the state pension will be nothing it is compared to today, inflation etc.

Once again screwing the worse off and lower paid.


This is the same way they have ruined the public health service, to be gauranteed quick treatment you need to go private.
Its a great little country we live in when public hospitals are closing whilst new private hospitals are opening!

KINGVictor

SamSamSammy wrote: »

are we a nation of moaners and bitter jealously driven haters ?

UK today says they are cutting 83 BILLION , were only expecting to cut 4 , maybe 5 billion....... and everyone swears ireland is the worst place in the world!!!!!

You cannot extrapolate cuts in the UK to the proposed Irish cuts, quite similar in terms of objectives which is cutting the budget deficit , but it is a lot different when you consider methodology.

Some of the cuts announced today in the UK do not take immediate effect i.e. there are planned timelines in place to ease the transition. When the Irish cuts are made in December 2010, a lot will take immediate effect from January e.g. social welfare, child benefit, increased taxes, cut in healthcare frontline services etc, if you look carefully into the UK cuts, social related cuts ( welfare, NHS, increased taxes ) have been calibrated in such a way that it doesn't distort the economy in the short-medium run.

Having said that, in reality there is little room for the Irish government to make any economic manoeuvers at the moment. They have to make the cuts and it is going to be painful. The opportunity cost of doing otherwise will be very dangerous e.g. IMF/ EU intervention which I think is certainly not desirable.

Sticky_Fingers

skelliser wrote: »

In France they want to increase the retirement age by 2 years and this is what happens

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9s-mwosnsI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8m8zfrJEcN8

We dont complain enough!!
Or bother to take to the streets!!

Last year Brian Clowen spent 850k of our money on 6 personal advisors! Imagine what they would do in France in Sarkozy did something like that!!

Also are incompetent gov raised our retirement age by 2 years last year and no one said boo!

I won't hold that the carry on of these thuggish c@nts is anything to be either emulated or condoned, most of these prats are just out to cause mayhem and destruction. They don't care about the economy or social justice because they will in all likelihood not contribute anything worthwhile to society. They want to protest peacefully thats fine with me, but burning out cars that probably belong to some poor bastard who has nothing to do with the situation is not on.

I hope cops smacked a few of these w@nkers upside the head with a truncheon for acting like animals, they deserve some rough justice and I won't shed a single tear for them when the cops dish it out.

Greentopia

skelliser wrote: »

In France they want to increase the retirement age by 2 years and this is what happens

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9s-mwosnsI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8m8zfrJEcN8

We dont complain enough!!
Or bother to take to the streets!!

Last year Brian Clowen spent 850k of our money on 6 personal advisors! Imagine what they would do in France in Sarkozy did something like that!!

Also are incompetent gov raised our retirement age by 2 years last year and no one said boo!

I agree. All we do is moan and complain to each other instead of getting out on the streets like the French do to register our protest (though I certainly don't agree with burning cars and violence). It mightn't change anything but at least we wouldn't feel like impotent chumps about the banksters/NAMA/spending cuts and feeling like we're just sitting back and taking whatever pain the Govt. decides to dole out to us without a fight.

The French have solidarity, something that's seemingly missing in out individualistic society. Here it's just keep the head down and look after no.1.
Imagine if the French...or the Germans, or the Dutch, Spaniards, Swedes...whoever, were going through what we are, they bloody well wouldn't just take it without mass protests on the streets either. I hate the apathy and sense of impotency of too many people in this country.
I've really lost a lot of respect for people here.
The only people with any convictions and guts were the older people who protested against pension cuts.

ascanbe

SamSamSammy wrote: »

are we a nation of moaners and bitter jealously driven haters ?

UK today says they are cutting 83 BILLION , were only expecting to cut 4 , maybe 5 billion....... and everyone swears ireland is the worst place in the world!!!!!

Britain already has its banks pretty much sorted; this means they will be able to borrow and lend and will allow credit to flow in the economy.
The cuts they are making, whatever one might think of them, are being made to prevent the country getting into further debt and to balance the books.
What is still be borrowed and spent will actually be spent for the benifit of the country.
Ireland is in a completely different situation.
Even our supposedly solvent banks already require huge transfusions of capital from the state; and will only get worse.
The heist that is the Anglo-bailout/Nama, will leave the country in unimaginable, horrific debt; if anyone will actually lend to us, we'll be borrowing just to try and stay afloat, all the while getting into further debt.
The cuts being made, which will be bigger than already admitted to and the huge borrowings that continue to get us into further debt, will be made in order for us to pay the debts of gamblers; debts we have no responsibility for.
If we continue down the Anglo/Nama route the country is finished.
All in all, i'd say people aren't complaining nearly enough; or at least aren't doing so in a constructive enough manner

round tower huntsman

skelliser wrote: »

In France they want to increase the retirement age by 2 years and this is what happens

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9s-mwosnsI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8m8zfrJEcN8

We dont complain enough!!
Or bother to take to the streets!!

Last year Brian Clowen spent 850k of our money on 6 personal advisors! Imagine what they would do in France in Sarkozy did something like that!!

Also are incompetent gov raised our retirement age by 2 years last year and no one said boo!

ours was raised from 65 to 68 france the raised it from 60 to 62!!

The Aussie

PeterIanStaker wrote: »

You have to complain and say Ireland is the worst place on earth.

If you say anything good about Ireland, it is automatically assumed you are in the IRA.

I thought that one myself, or they assume you support Celtic and have a Bobby Sands poster, It aint that bad a place, just that you voted in a bunch of self serving d!cks (FF & Greens) and now our grand children will be paying for it, Just dont do it again (vote FF & Greens).

OPENROAD

The Aussie wrote: »

, just that you voted in a bunch of self serving d!cks (FF & Greens) and now our grand children will be paying for it, Just dont do it again (vote FF & Greens).

If only it was that simple. You have to wonder if we (the Irish) can get ourselves out of this mess

The Aussie

OPENROAD wrote: »

If only it was that simple. You have to wonder if we (the Irish) can get ourselves out of this mess

Yes but not in our lifetime, if only we had a full pension after 5 years worth of "Work" (i tried to use the term work as loosely as possible) and then fall back on a cushy job we spent 5 years setting up for ourselves, oh if only i was a Fine Failure or a Tofu eating Green, if only.

Greentopia

The Aussie wrote: »

I thought that one myself, or they assume you support Celtic and have a Bobby Sands poster, It aint that bad a place, just that you voted in a bunch of self serving d!cks (FF & Greens) and now our grand children will be paying for it, Just dont do it again (vote FF & Greens).

The Greens may be a bit of a spineless lot but they didn't cause Anglo/NAMA or the economic meltdown (yes I know they compromised and voted for NAMA to stay in power).
They've brought in a few bills and pieces of legislation that I think are great i.e. like yesterday the new law making it an offense to lay down poison on land that kill our birds of prey, the opening of the Dunboyne railway, increased investment on enhanced fibre optic communications network, the Civil Partnership bill, the Greener homes grant scheme for people to switch to renewable energy for their homes, new planning bill this year to curb future inappropriate development.

That's off the top of my head. And no I'm not a Green Party member though I did vote for them in the last elections.

Punish FF by all means but I don't see why the Greens should take the blame for them.

Chaotic_Forces

We just bitch; we never do anything.

Yes we do bitch the most but other countries get change.

Hail 2 Da Thief

Actions speak louder than words. Just look at the Frenchies!
The Irish talk a good game but fail to turn up for the kick off!

The Aussie

Greentopia wrote: »

The Greens may be a bit of a spineless lot but they didn't cause Anglo/NAMA or the economic meltdown (yes I know they compromised and voted for NAMA to stay in power).
They've brought in a few bills and pieces of legislation that I think are great i.e. like yesterday the new law making it an offense to lay down poison on land that kill our birds of prey, the opening of the Dunboyne railway, increased investment on enhanced fibre optic communications network, the Civil Partnership bill, the Greener homes grant scheme for people to switch to renewable energy for their homes, new planning bill this year to curb future inappropriate development.

That's off the top of my head. And no I'm not a Green Party member though I did vote for them in the last elections.

Punish FF by all means but I don't see why the Greens should take the blame for them.

I can see where you are coming from that they have done some good, but at this stage they are guilty of association, they have the power to end this charade but wont, which leads to asking yourself Why???

Shenshen

SamSamSammy wrote: »

are we a nation of moaners and bitter jealously driven haters ?

UK today says they are cutting 83 BILLION , were only expecting to cut 4 , maybe 5 billion....... and everyone swears ireland is the worst place in the world!!!!!

I invite you to go visit Germany... a more miserable batch of wingers you'll be hard put to find anywhere else. And the jealousy... they've even got a special word for jealousy resulting from keeping up with the Jonses. Futterneid.