80kph!!! WTF?!!!

skelliser

WHAT THE **** IS UP WITH DRIVING AT 80KPH, THE ****ING SPEED LIMIT IS 100KPH!!!

Seriously if the speed limit is 100kph and the road and weather is fine will you please drive at the speed limit. Its really starting to wreck my head!
Just tonight on the limerick-galway road i had these 3 numpties in front doing 80, none would overtake nor move over to allow people to pass. By the time we reached galway there was a tailback of at least 20 cars.
This seems to be always the case any time i drive this road and no doubt its repeated elsewhere.

For the love of god if you are one of these dicks pull in and let people pass!

You know who you are!!


rant/

Dj

Its a speed limit not a target

F-Stop

Other drivers are like the weather. Nothing you can do about them, just drive to suit the conditions. Think of them as ice or heavy rain or fog and chill out.

Also, in before limit not target.

EDIT: Damn, not iblnt!!!

Heroditas

It's not the first driver in the queue I blame, it's the second driver.
They can overtake the first driver but in many cases, they decide to sit right up the other car's hole .... therefore forcing you to have to overtake two cars at once if you wish to get past them. :rolleyes:

The Limerick - Galway road is an absolute disaster for these clowns, your lucky if some people are even doing 80Km/h Ive been stuck behind people going even slower. It drives me insane.

Drummerboy08

Dj wrote: »

Its a speed limit not a target

Yeah your're right. But if I want to treat it as a target, who are you to prevent me?

Its only good road manners to allow other people treat it as a target if they wish. If people are not comfortable with driving at the speed limit, thats fine and I respect that. But just do the decent thing and move over to let others drive at a comfortable speed to them.

F-Stop

Heroditas wrote: »

It's not the first driver in the queue I blame, it's the second driver.
They can overtake the first driver but in many cases, they decide to sit right up the other car's hole .... therefore forcing you to have to overtake two cars at once if you wish to get past them. :rolleyes:

Only if car number two isn't going to overtake, but also isn't going to leave enough space between themselves and car number one so that car number three can safely overtake. If you are happy to sit back, sit back, but leave enough room so that the car behind you can overtake.

sparkthatbled

I feel your pain, it's very frustrating and i get it all the time on the Drogheda - Ashbourne road in the morning, but consider their position... They know you're there, maybe they don't know this road and don't know where to expect bends, maybe they just don't feel comfortable going faster on a narrow dark road. If they were to do 100, they would be much more liable to make a mistake through panic which ends up with you all in the ditch looking at the stars.

You can't blame the car at the front, that driver has every right to go whatever speed they want within reason and i would call 80 well within reason of a 100 limit. The 2 behind him with no intention to overtake should know to leave a gap big enough for you to leapfrog them one at a time if you wish in the safest way, that's who you need to be pissed at.

Just don't give in to the temptation (not saying you do this, i'm directing it at people who will read this that do) to weave in and out impatiently flashing your hi-beams as if that will make them go faster. It's more likely to dazzle them and cause a crash or make them think "you know what? f*ck you!" and slow right the way down to 50.

Sorry if this spiel offends you, just trying to spread a little calm on the roads. Lives are lost nearly every day and that recent road-rage death should wake us all up to the rights of other drivers. Live and let live, getting there in an hour instead of 48 mins is better than not getting there at all. Best advice i can give is leave a little earlier to allow for slower drivers.

Owen

Dj wrote: »

Its a speed limit not a target

It is a target. Do 40kph in your driving test and you'll get a failure to proceed marked down on your test results.

Dj

PaintDoctor wrote: »

It is a target. Do 40kph in your driving test and you'll get a failure to proceed marked down on your test results.

Ah it was only a joke, i was actually told that when i was getting driving lessons.

I know its frustrating but the people who drive at 80 in a 100 don't actually see that they are causing any harm.

dumb_parade

The Limerick to Galway stretch is a very poor road. Was driving on it today as well and it was the same thing. Someone drving with about 20 cars behind them. The problem is that there are very few places to let cars by with out stopping on that road. It not unusual to leave the motorway north of ennis and be stuck behind the same queue of cars in oranmore.

skelliser

I drive that stretch quite alot and from my experience the vast majority are locals and not tourists or people passing thru. They know the road well but continue this annoying behaviour.

I would actually like to add/suggest that this behaviour actually causes more crashes then what they are percieving ie. drive slower to be safer.

friendface

Just finished the drive from Kerry to Galway. It's a pretty exhausting route to drive alright when you're stuck behind a line of cars with nowhere to overtake. Anyone know when the dual carriageway around gort is opening?

skelliser

friendface wrote: »

Just finished the drive from Kerry to Galway. It's a pretty exhausting route to drive alright when you're stuck behind a line of cars with nowhere to overtake. Anyone know when the dual carriageway around gort is opening?

The end of this month!!

Sadly tho, once you hit gort you will have to deal with these people all the way to Galway.


But seriously where did these people learn this behaviour?

Dj

skelliser wrote: »

I would actually like to add/suggest that this behaviour actually causes more crashes then what they are percieving ie. drive slower to be safer.

True but i doubt we will ever have ad campaigns to tell us to speed up.

Do you mean the crashes are caused by risky overtaking or people making up time when they eventually get past the line of traffic?

Tefral

Thank god someone said it i thought i was the only one...

I cant understand people who drive just below the limit...

Either speed the fcuk up or slow down enough so i can overtake you safely..

skelliser

Dj wrote: »

Do you mean the crashes are caused by risky overtaking or people making up time when they eventually get past the line of traffic?

both of these

plus these people seem to break quite hard which could lead to rear ending people, increased road rage(hence my rant!!), frustration and so on which all lead to mistakes.

x in the city

Irish drivers are $hit, just get over it.

but its good to have a rant all the same

opinion guy

Dj wrote: »

I know its frustrating but the people who drive at 80 in a 100 don't actually see that they are causing any harm.

This is exactly what make them dangerous.

Dj wrote: »

True but i doubt we will ever have ad campaigns to tell us to speed up.

Do you mean the crashes are caused by risky overtaking or people making up time when they eventually get past the line of traffic?

Its neither. These people create a perturbation in the flow of traffic. Traffic is safest when all cars are travelling at a relatively similar speed. Its gives you the closet thing to 'laminar flow'. When you get some numpty going either excessive faster or slower than the average speed they are creating turbulence to the flow of traffic. This is dangerous. This is also why motorways have minimum speed limits. In my opinion - if you can't do within 10pkh of the speed limit with comfort - then you shouldn't pass your test.

Mr McBoatface

I was driving down the new N78 from Athy to the M9 the other day, it's is great road with very wide lanes and it has excellent hard shoulders with broken yellow lines. I came up behind a slow moving chain of traffic going between 60-70kmph, the first car simply refused or was unaware they could move into the hard shoulder to allow the fast moving traffic over take them. There was a line of traffic coming the other direction for the same reason, eventually when the road was clear in the other direction, I and all 6 cars in front of me + all 5 behind me over took the car (a 5 series BMW).

IMO the driver of the 5 series BMW was a Muppet of the highest order.

On a side note and possible related issue - I believe there are to many drivers on the road with a full license who never actually sat a driving test and availed of the amnesty granted in the 70's. Many are as unskilled and as dangerous as L drivers.

skelliser

+1

Ever wonder how traffic jams form?
this kinda driving creates them, fact!

skelliser

Many of these drivers imo think its illegal to drive in the hard shoulder hence the reason they wont pull over.

Its only illegal on motorways.

corktina

sunday, always a bad day for this. Its bad driving and very bad manners to drive like this. Most of these people are incapable of driving faster and are probably unsafe at any speed. Sometimes its more dangerious to drive under the limit than over it!

questionmark?

IMO all N and R roads should have a minimum speed limit.(lower speed limit for L roads should be introduced anyway) There is nothing worse than being stuck behind someone doing 60kph in a 100kph zone and not being able to get past. It leads to frustration and the tendency for other idiots to overtake on blind bends, against oncoming traffic etc... Exceptions have to be made for agri vehicles obviously but they are already banned from traveling in convoy and most will pull into the hard shoulder to let you by.

opinion guy

questionmark? wrote: »

IMO all N and R roads should have a minimum speed limit.(lower speed limit for L roads should be introduced anyway) There is nothing worse than being stuck behind someone doing 60kph in a 100kph zone and not being able to get past. It leads to frustration and the tendency for other idiots to overtake on blind bends, against oncoming traffic etc... Exceptions have to be made for agri vehicles obviously but they are already banned from traveling in convoy and most will pull into the hard shoulder to let you by.

Haha tractors pulling into hard shoulder thats a laugh. No hard shoulders where I come from and lots of tractors

Hmm I was thinking also about a minimum speed limit on N roads - but actually I don't think its a good idea. I think whats a better idea is a that there be a "making progress" law. I.e. you should be doing no more than 10kph less than the speed limit so long as conditions allow. This then allows for hazardous conditions, tractors etc.

old_aussie

skelliser wrote: »

WHAT THE **** IS UP WITH DRIVING AT 80KPH, THE ****ING SPEED LIMIT IS 100KPH!!!

Seriously if the speed limit is 100kph and the road and weather is fine will you please drive at the speed limit. Its really starting to wreck my head!
Just tonight on the limerick-galway road i had these 3 numpties in front doing 80, none would overtake nor move over to allow people to pass. By the time we reached galway there was a tailback of at least 20 cars.
This seems to be always the case any time i drive this road and no doubt its repeated elsewhere.

For the love of god if you are one of these dicks pull in and let people pass!

You know who you are!!

rant/

Well keep off the road and you wont have this problem.

dlofnep

Some roads with 100kp/h limits are actually dangerous to drive at that speed. If I'm on a crap road, and I feel there's a chance of an accident - I will drive at whatever speed I want.

On a good road in good conditions however - people should push for 100.

old_aussie

opinion guy wrote: »

These people create a perturbation in the flow of traffic. Traffic is safest when all cars are travelling at a relatively similar speed. Its gives you the closet thing to 'laminar flow'. pass your test.

Perturbation (transport), operation of a transport system outside of timetable such that delays in arrival and departure from defined locations are present.

Maybe you could make a trimetable for these people to adhere to.

opinion guy

old_aussie wrote: »

Perturbation (transport), operation of a transport system outside of timetable such that delays in arrival and departure from defined locations are present.

Maybe you could make a trimetable for these people to adhere to.

Am I missing some joke here ?

I'm not sure where you got that definition of perturbation but its not the usual one.

http://www.google.ie/search?q=define%3A+perturbation&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

sean1141

i hate this.. it drives me mad! espicaly when they come to a silght bend on the road and slow down even more!! or worse still the ones who drive near or at the limit on the straights but when they come to these slight bends they slow down to 60 or 70 then speed up again on the straights.. now im talking about good main roads not back roads!

if im on a road im not sure off and am going a little slower than traffic i try pull in or siginal the car behind me to overtake.. do im usually able to manage to keep up with the flow of traffic lol

Zubeneschamali

sean1141 wrote: »

the ones who drive near or at the limit on the straights but when they come to these slight bends they slow down to 60 or 70 then speed up again on the straights..

One I don't understand is the guy who drives near the limit when the road is empty, but brakes every time an oncoming car passes. What exactly is that supposed to achieve?

ken2010

Heroditas wrote: »

It's not the first driver in the queue I blame, it's the second driver.
They can overtake the first driver but in many cases, they decide to sit right up the other car's hole .... therefore forcing you to have to overtake two cars at once if you wish to get past them. :rolleyes:

thats true but the first driver should have the common sense to move in and let the cars pass him...instead of being stubborn:rolleyes:..thats whats wrong with most of the driver on the road they give a **** about anyone else

KamiKazi

Dj wrote: »

Its a speed limit not a target

Have you ever taken a driving test?

It IS a target, and if you don't reach it in a timely manner you will get marked down for failing to get progress.

yop

I get that each week now going from Castlebar to Dublin. Same thing week in week out. At this stage I just tune into the radio as there isn't any point in losing the plot or trying to add myself to the Death Notices!

But its rampant around Ireland, whether it be on the motorway, dual-carriage ways or standard roads, people lack awareness.

Just have to grin and bear it or risk your license or worse!

irishgrover

KamiKazi wrote: »

Have you ever taken a driving test?

It IS a target, and if you don't reach it in a timely manner you will get marked down for failing to get progress.

is this genuinely your understanding of the situation, or have i missed the smiley face?

If slower traffic annoys you, learn to overtake properly. They key is to have a large speed differential before you have even reached the slower vehicle.

You often come behind somebody who is feverishly trying to overtake but cannot as they are stuck so close behind a slow vehicle that they cannot see the places to overtake until it's too late. They then keep missing overtaking spots and get hot and bothered under the collar.

This can sometimes be entertaining to watch but most of the times I just overtake the two instead.

dumb_parade

samih wrote: »

If slower traffic annoys you, learn to overtake properly. They key is to have a large speed differential before you have even reached the slower vehicle.

You often come behind somebody who is feverishly trying to overtake but cannot as they are stuck so close behind a slow vehicle that they cannot see the places to overtake until it's too late. They then keep missing overtaking spots and get hot and bothered under the collar.

This can sometimes be entertaining to watch but most of the times I just overtake the two instead.

You must not be familiar with the road mentioned by the OP. Its a busy road with only 4 or 5 safe overtaking spots in a 40 mile stretch, very few straight sections and long queues of traffic.

_Kaiser_

samih wrote: »

If slower traffic annoys you, learn to overtake properly. They key is to have a large speed differential before you have even reached the slower vehicle.

You often come behind somebody who is feverishly trying to overtake but cannot as they are stuck so close behind a slow vehicle that they cannot see the places to overtake until it's too late. They then keep missing overtaking spots and get hot and bothered under the collar.

This can sometimes be entertaining to watch but most of the times I just overtake the two instead.

The problem with this though is you'll inevitably get the idiot a few cars behind you who will see this gap you've left and come barrelling up the wrong side of the road and then squeeze in in front of you at the last second because they've misjudged it.

It's very simple really.. if you're not capable of doing 100 km/h on a road when the conditions are clearly safe to do so, then you shouldn't be on it, or at the very least, you shouldn't hinder traffic behind you that can drive at this speed.

Of course, where I'm living these days they can't drive at all! Dawdling, tailgating, dangerous overtaking, erratic behaviour - all the norm! :mad:
I've actually had people come down from Dublin to visit who've commented that they've never seen anything like it around here!

In the last 3 days:

- I (and 20 others) was stuck behind an idiot doing 60 in a 100 for about 3 miles despite there being a lane-sized hard shoulder that they could have moved into.

- I had an idiot in a northern-reg S40 tailgating me on a narrow twisty backroad (that main-line traffic is currently being diverted through because some pen-pusher in the council figured closing a National Route from 8am-6pm for a MONTH was a good idea!) only to then have said idiot squeeze past me at well over the (already too fast) limit on a brief downhill straight

- Even coming into your estate isn't safe! Guy in a van backs out of a driveway in front of me and turns in the same direction as I'm going, only to then dawdle in the middle of the road doing 15 km/h, then drifts to the right as if pulling in (no indicators of course!) only to THEN decide he's doing a lazy/slow U-turn (again no indicators) just as I'm passing alongside him!

Of course the local Gardai have no interest in things like this.. much easier to sit at the side of the aforementioned nice wide road and rack up the points/cash that way. :rolleyes:

Top Dog

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

One I don't understand is the guy who drives near the limit when the road is empty, but brakes every time an oncoming car passes. What exactly is that supposed to achieve?

The classic Ditch Diver. Likes to have an air of confidence about their driving when there's no other traffic about, but as soon as there's an oncoming vehicle (especially at night) they stand on the brakes and make towards the ditch - thus showing their true lack of confidence in their driving skills. :rolleyes:

_Kaiser_

Top Dog wrote: »

The classic Ditch Diver. Likes to have an air of confidence about their driving when there's no other traffic about, but as soon as there's an oncoming vehicle (especially at night) they stand on the brakes and make towards the ditch - thus showing their true lack of confidence in their driving skills. :rolleyes:

Oh yea, I forgot about this type - anytime a set of headlights appears in the distance the brakelights come on! :rolleyes: Actually there's loads of people like this who seem incapable of controlling a car's speed without standing on the brakes every 15 seconds!

Mc Love

My mother up until a few years ago wouldnt change from fourth into fifth until I persuaded her to - she was doing this for 10-15 years (possibly even more)

skelliser

but about 80 tho, why hover around that speed and not 60 or 50?

Someone here most be one of these drivers, cough up and explain!!

smemon

so long as they're driving consistently, it's not a problem... the problem arises when these idiots speed up once they see cars over taking them... or slow down (too much) going around bends, stop at roundabouts etc... then accelerate hard off them... very hard to predict. A bit like people who are trigger happy with the brakes. Stuck in a long convoy, constantly braking and accelerating when there's no need to.

These drivers tend to have a total lack of awareness and understanding about what sort of problems they're causing...

They're the same people who will maintain the same speed, in the same gear going up a steep hill. Once the car starts struggling, THEN they'll drop down a gear at which stage they've lost all momentum. That's just stupid. It's one of the most annoying things about driving imo.

I tend to 'sling shot' by most of them when i can because i can predict they'll lose momentum going up even slight hills... so i'll drop back a bit, drop down gear to 4th or 3th and floor it - you're passed them by the time they realize they need to drop down a gear.

The benefit of that is that you're passing them when they're travelling at their lowest speed. Hills or small slopes are a great weapon when overtaking. Provided there's no oncoming traffic of course!

Dj

KamiKazi wrote: »

Have you ever taken a driving test?

It IS a target, and if you don't reach it in a timely manner you will get marked down for failing to get progress.

Yes I have taken my driving test and passed first time. Thanks for asking

Seweryn

samih wrote: »

If slower traffic annoys you, learn to overtake properly. They key is to have a large speed differential before you have even reached the slower vehicle.

This is practical and safe, however it is illegal to drive above speed limits. So you can build up your speed (just before or during overtaking) only up to the speed limit.

corktina

Kaiser2000 wrote: »

Oh yea, I forgot about this type - anytime a set of headlights appears in the distance the brakelights come on! :rolleyes: Actually there's loads of people like this who seem incapable of controlling a car's speed without standing on the brakes every 15 seconds!

this is a common problem and IMHO a lot of the drivers doing this have eyesight problems and shouldnt be driving..very frustrating to follow one of these clowns.

opinion guy

KamiKazi wrote: »

Have you ever taken a driving test?

It IS a target, and if you don't reach it in a timely manner you will get marked down for failing to get progress.

Lol - this is a highly amusing post given your username

dkd

opinion guy wrote: »

Lol - this is a highly amusing post given your username

What's amusing about the truth?

opinion guy

dkd wrote: »

What's amusing about the truth?

You misunderstand - i agree with his point - but I still think its funny that someone called kamikazi is calling the speed limit a target.


BONZAI!!!!!!!!!

Wertz

corktina wrote: »

this is a common problem and IMHO a lot of the drivers doing this have eyesight problems and shouldnt be driving..very frustrating to follow one of these clowns.

I'd have said it was more a throttle control problem or perhaps an inability to judge speed....people seem to think (on the m-ways anyhow) that the only way you can slow down is by braking rather than simply letting off the accelerator...and then setting up a chain reaction amongst the trailing lemmings in the overtaking lane.

Plug

This reminds me of camper vans, pure ignorance, they never pull in when driving painfully slow. They know they are about 30 cars behind them crawling at 60kph in a 100kph zone. The bastards made my life a misery! Im Henry sellers:pac: