Tote TTF Jumps 2010/11

Nulty

Tote Ten To Follow

I haven't done this competition yet because i haven't been involved in racing for very long but with a couple of flat seasons behind me and one jumps I reckon I'm ready to take it on!

It'd be good to get a sticky thread going for everyone who enters and get a bit of horsey banter going in the forum.

The Racing Post do a bit of a Guide here which should change to the jumps in a week or two. The link might change though...

theres some seriously good prizes but theres also an entry fee of about £10Gbp. It gives great continuity to the season and a bit of healthy competition.

Details become available from the 21st of October and the competition starts on the 12th of November so get busy picking your ten.

@ Convert:
Is there a way to link a thread in one forum to another forum? This is difficult with the HR and Gambling forums...ideas?

UrbanSea

This looks strangely familiar...

finbarrk

A crowd of us in the pub do it every year amongst ourselves, €25 each, usually about 25-30 entries. We use the official points from the ttf. It's great when everybody knows each other and also the chance of prizemoney is more realistic than the real thing.
I always enter the real thing too btw, just in case!

Nulty

I reckon we'll do the same for Boards if there's enough of us. €25 seems a good price but I'd prefer not to price students out of it.

I read today that Donn McClean won the TTF Flat 2010. £51,000 the lucky fooker.

Bluetonic

Nulty wrote: »

I reckon we'll do the same for Boards if there's enough of us. €25 seems a good price but I'd prefer not to price students out of it.

I read today that Donn McClean won the TTF Flat 2010. £51,000 the lucky fooker.

The flat dividends are tiny compared to the national hunt, 250k was first prize last season.

You can set up a mini league through the website which we can all join. I have had pretty average efforts the last five years to this is the one!

Bluetonic

Here's the details in case people don't want to be going onto gambling sites in work or if it's blocked.

mdwexford

Yayyy for the jumps being back at last.

Few weeks to go before entries so best to wait to see how the Paddy Power entries are shaping up, Long Run is prominent in the betting and would be very interesting as would Somersby.

As regards the other bonus races

Kauto Star will be very hard to beat in the King George again.

Master Minded is still the best 2 mile chaser around with a bit of cut although Tataniano looked very good indeed at Aintree and if he progresses a bit could be top drawer.

Big Bucks will top some stopping in 3m hurdle races again as will Binocular in 2m races.

Hopefully Mikael D'haguenet will return from his injury in good shape and could run up a sequence in novice chases on his way to the RSA.

Id avoid Imperial Commander, can see him struggling this season.

Bluetonic

Last years leading horses.

It's never as straight forward as picking the leading contenders.

UrbanSea

mdwexford wrote: »

Id avoid Imperial Commander, can see him struggling this season.

Agreed,did you read the interview Nigel Twiston Davies gave the other day regarding his horse? Apparently he has nothing to prove but Kauto and Denman do. Plonker.

Nulty

I can't say I'd endorse IC as a selection in the TTF but he was the best horse in the race at Cheltenham last year....by some way. I'd consider picking him if I knew he wasn't going to Kempton

UrbanSea

Nulty is there going to be a mini private league?

mdwexford

greetings wrote: »

Agreed,did you read the interview Nigel Twiston Davies gave the other day regarding his horse? Apparently he has nothing to prove but Kauto and Denman do. Plonker.

I did, him and Brennan are living in a dream world as regards that horse i think.

Nulty wrote: »

I can't say I'd endorse IC as a selection in the TTF but he was the best horse in the race at Cheltenham last year....by some way. I'd consider picking him if I knew he wasn't going to Kempton

Best on the day for certain as he was a very good winner.

Would i take him against Kauto Star in any race this season, not on your life.

UrbanSea

I wouldn't have him within 20 pounds of Kauto on his day. At least 20

Nulty

Here hucklebuck, here!

(Bump)

UrbanSea

Did anyone register yet?

Nulty

I'm a TTF virgin so I'm not expecting to do very well. I could get lucky though! I haven't registered yet, I've had a rough betting weekend so just counting my beans...Will probably do two lists. I hear most people do a few, is that right?

hucklebuck

Sorry guys, I even saw this a few week ago and forgot:o

hucklebuck

I havent registered yet as I want to have a good look.

Regarding Imperial Commander, I reckon he will win the Betfair and the Gold Cup and would not rule him out of the King George.

I will probably start with IC and Big Bucks and go from there.

Nulty

For convenience of the thread:

Bonus Races

Race| Course & Date
Paddy Power Gold Cup| Cheltenham, 13 November 2010
Hennessy Gold Cup Chase| Newbury, 27 November 2010
William Hill King George VI Chase| Kempton Park, 26 December 2010
Toshiba Irish Champion Hurdle| Leopardstown, 23 January 2011
Hennessy Gold Cup| Leopardstown, 6 February 2011
Totesport Trophy | Newbury, 12 February 2011
Racing Post Chase | Kempton Park, 26 February 2011
Stan James Champion Hurdle | Cheltenham, 15 March 2011
Irish Independent Arkle Challenge Trophy | Cheltenham, 15 March 2011
Seasons Holidays Queen Mother Champion Steeple Chase | Cheltenham, 16 March 2011
RSA Chase | Cheltenham, 16 March 2011
Ladbrokes World Hurdle | Cheltenham, 17 March 2011
Ryanair Chase | Cheltenham, 17 March 2011
Totesport Cheltenham Gold Cup | Cheltenham, 18 March 2011
John Smith's Grand National| Aintree, 9 April 2011

Nulty

Is Arvika Ligeonniere going chasing this year does anyone know?

hucklebuck

The Racing Post guide to the jumps just says he is likely to go novice chasing, I would say he is too but have not heard of Mullins saying it so far, you looking at the 16/1 quote for the Arkle too?

Nulty

I was considering him for the TTF. I'd like to see him jump a fence before though a bet or using him in the comp.

meriwether

I had a look at this for the first time properly last night. Hers my initial selection, am unsure about one or two.

1: Binocular. Banker par excellence. Targets: Fighting 5th, Xmas hurdle, Champion H.

2: Kauto. King George/Gold Cup.

3: Albertas Run: Ryanair, various races on the way.

4: Masterminded. Tingle, Queen mum. Forgotten horse to an extent, would hammer the rest of them if he was on song, has had a wind op and is only 7.

5: Hurricane Fly. Irish Champion Hurdle, expect him to dominate this side of the water. Would have had Go Native, but won't be reappearing for a while, may transfer him in after Christmas for the CH.

6: Big Bucks. World Hurdle, and various good races along the way (Long walk, etc)

7: Zaynar. Same as Big Bucks, there may be enough stayer hurdles in the run up to C'ham to keep them apart and farm the proceeds. I'd be getting rid of one of them after Xmas quite possibly if one is clearly outperforming the other.

8: Long Run. Hennessy, King George, GC. I need a nag for the early season handicaps, and in my opinion there is nothing classy in the Paddy Power that could go on and win graded races. I expect the winner of the PP to probably be handicapped out of it once he wins. LR looks potentially classy enough. He's also having 5 pounds deducted because of Jockey in Hennessy.

9: Celestial Halo. Novice chasing route. Possible Arkle or RSA.

10: Punjabi. See Celestial Halo.

I have nothing for the National, the Totesport or the Racing post.

I also think I may have to decide between Celestial Halo and punjabi, and slot in a non-novice Irish chaser for this side of the water.


I also think I may stick in Imperial Commander for Kauto after Xmas specifically for the Gold Cup. Kauto won't be turning the tables IMO.

Anyone any thoughts?

meriwether

Edit: I'm probably going to lash in Cooldine for the Irish Hennessy instead of Punjabi or Zaynar.

RichieLawlor

Long Run runs in the PP this weekend not the Hennessy.

Leave out Celestial Halo, big big chance he won't be making up into a chaser. Nicholls has already said he's not an arkle horse.

Punjabi the same, horses who spend a good few years hurdling don't generally make up into top notch chasers (see Iris' Gift or even Harchibald) they spend too long learning to be quick over hurdles to be effective chasers.

Binocular Kauto and Big Bucks are must haves.

I'd be looking for something like Medermit or Cue Card, potentially top class and will
Pick up a few races on there way to the festival.

meriwether

RichieLawlor wrote: »

Long Run runs in the PP this weekend not the Hennessy.

Leave out Celestial Halo, big big chance he won't be making up into a chaser. Nicholls has already said he's not an arkle horse.

Punjabi the same, horses who spend a good few years hurdling don't generally make up into top notch chasers (see Iris' Gift or even Harchibald) they spend too long learning to be quick over hurdles to be effective chasers.

Binocular Kauto and Big Bucks are must haves.

I'd be looking for something like Medermit or Cue Card, potentially top class and will
Pick up a few races on there way to the festival.

Yes, got my elbow and arse mixed up there.

LR is the only one that strikes me as classy enough from the PP to win a graded race. Henderson was all over him in the stable tour this week in RP.

I won't have anything for the Hennessy, so I think i need something for this handicap.

Regarding Punjabi and CH, hands up, its major lazyness on my part to lash in two highly rated hurdlers going novice chasing. However I do need a novice chaser badly. I'm going to revisit this. I will remove one of them anyway and put in Cooldine, and then reexamine the novice chaser option.

Its no coinkeydink that those three you highlight are choice 8, 9 and 10 in my list! I think you need a few gambles.

Peddlers cross, Captain Cee Bee and Cue card made the shortlist also.

mdwexford

Novice chasers generally dont score well.
I certainly wouldnt bother with two of them anyway.

Albertas Run is at his best on good ground so i cant see him winning any races this side of March.

Nulty

I'd leave Albertas until the bonus swap thing after Christmas also. Agree with the Celestial/Punjabi thing aswell. Theres definitely better novice chase prospects. Tell Massini, Finians Rainbow and Alfie Sherrin for a start.

I reckon 7 or 8 chasers and 2 or 3 hurdlers is about wht you want.

EDIT - well, 3 o 4 four hurdlers. Forgot BB is a given

Nulty

Does anyone want to take part in a boards mini-league? I'd say there should be at least 10 interested for it to be worth doing. Can see if anyone in the Gmabling forum is interested too. What say you?

Nulty

This is my first draft:

Cue Card
Solwhit (FR)
Big Buck's (FR)
Binocular (FR)
Golden Silver (FR)
Kempes (IRE)
Kauto Star (FR)
Pandorama (IRE)
Finian's Rainbow (IRE)
Tell Massini (IRE)

Don't know which if either of the novice chasers to take out. Finians runs at Cheltenham this weekend and comes with glowing reports from Geraghty. Tell Massini was good on his debut....Also Alfie Sherrin jumps fences tomorrow so could also be a contender for the novice position.

Kempes might go for a 2 miler in England. Almost certainly...

UrbanSea

Nulty wrote: »

This is my first draft:

Cue Card
Solwhit (FR)
Big Buck's (FR)
Binocular (FR)
Golden Silver (FR)
Kempes (IRE)
Kauto Star (FR)
Pandorama (IRE)
Finian's Rainbow (IRE)
Tell Massini (IRE)

Don't know which if either of the novice chasers to take out. Finians runs at Cheltenham this weekend and comes with glowing reports from Geraghty. Tell Massini was good on his debut....Also Alfie Sherrin jumps fences tomorrow so could also be a contender for the novice position.

Kempes might go for a 2 miler in England. Almost certainly...

When have entries to be in by Nulty? I have zero bean at the minute.

meriwether

Two good novice races today, could be informative.

2.50 Huntingdon, 1.10 Bangor. Tarablaze, Alfie Sherrin, Medermit amongst others having a look.

Also, does anyone have any info on the wellbeing of Hurricane Fly and Mikael D'hageneut?

When are thy ready to roll, and what are early season targets?

Bluetonic

Nulty wrote: »

Does anyone want to take part in a boards mini-league? I'd say there should be at least 10 interested for it to be worth doing. Can see if anyone in the Gmabling forum is interested too. What say you?

Let me know if you set it up, I'll be putting in my entry tomorrow night.

meriwether

Got mine in.

It is:

Binocular
Hurricane Fly
Masterminded
Kauto
Big Bucks
Long Run
Mikael D'Haganeut
Spririt River
Peddlers Cross
Big Zeb

4 hurdlers, 6 chasers, 3 Irish and 7 British.

Nulty

meriwether wrote: »

Got mine in.

It is:

Binocular
Hurricane Fly
Masterminded
Kauto
Big Bucks
Long Run
Mikael D'Haganeut
Spririt River
Peddlers Cross
Big Zeb

4 hurdlers, 6 chasers, 3 Irish and 7 British.

brave man putting Mikeal in. Is he entered for anything soon? If not, I'd draft him in in Feburary...

hucklebuck

Nulty wrote: »

Does anyone want to take part in a boards mini-league? I'd say there should be at least 10 interested for it to be worth doing. Can see if anyone in the Gmabling forum is interested too. What say you?

I would be on for that, trying to finalise my entries at the moment.

hucklebuck

League reference: 21033961

Nulty

You need a creadit card for this!?

Bollix :mad:

Not gonna bother entering the comp but these are my selections for pride...

1080 Cue Card 4 C Tizzard
1211 Master Minded (FR) 7 P Nicholls
1264 Pandorama (IRE) 7 N Meade (IR)
1157 Hurricane Fly (IRE) 6 W Mullins (IR)
1036 Big Buck's (FR) 7 P Nicholls
1039 Binocular (FR) 6 N Henderson
1048 Burton Port (IRE) 6 N Henderson
1117 Finian's Rainbow (IRE) 7 N Henderson
1144 Golden Silver (FR) 8 W Mullins (IR)
1199 Mad Max (IRE) 8 N Henderson

hucklebuck

Nulty wrote: »

You need a creadit card for this!?

Bollix :mad:

Not gonna bother entering the comp but these are my selections for pride...

1080 Cue Card 4 C Tizzard
1211 Master Minded (FR) 7 P Nicholls
1264 Pandorama (IRE) 7 N Meade (IR)
1157 Hurricane Fly (IRE) 6 W Mullins (IR)
1036 Big Buck's (FR) 7 P Nicholls
1039 Binocular (FR) 6 N Henderson
1048 Burton Port (IRE) 6 N Henderson
1117 Finian's Rainbow (IRE) 7 N Henderson
1144 Golden Silver (FR) 8 W Mullins (IR)
1199 Mad Max (IRE) 8 N Henderson

It looks like you might, try a laser card failing that ask someone can you use theirs. I got my better halfs card as mine is maxed :eek:

gscully

I'm in...

Big Buck's
Big Zeb
Binocular
Cue Card
Denman
Kauto Star
Long Run
Master Minded
Sizing Europe
What A Friend

Nulty

I tried it, didn't work.

jimini0

hi everyone im james i have entered the ten to follow but i could not get connected this mornin to join your mini league:(.

Nulty

jimini0 wrote: »

hi everyone im james i have entered the ten to follow but i could not get connected this mornin to join your mini league:(.

Welcome to the HR forum james. Stick your selections up in a post here so we can judge you

Nulty

Cue Card gets me a few points in the bag...I'm officially in the lead

Crap, just saw yours gscully

jimini0

i have done 2 bets 1st one i with the more obvious choices safe horses who nearly always (fingers crossed) come in. 2nd is a mixed bag
1.
big bucks
denman
forpadydeplasterer
imperial commander
kauto star
poquelin
tataniano
tricky trickster
what a friend
zaynar
2.
captain cee bee
china rock
dunguib
go native
hurricane fly
master minded
petit robin
rite of passage
riverside theatre
voler la vedette

there is my selections let the games begin

Nulty

jimini0 wrote: »

i have done 2 bets 1st one i with the more obvious choices safe horses who nearly always (fingers crossed) come in. 2nd is a mixed bag
1.
big bucks
denman
forpadydeplasterer
imperial commander
kauto star
poquelin
tataniano
tricky trickster
what a friend
zaynar
2.
captain cee bee
china rock
dunguib
go native
hurricane fly
master minded
petit robin
rite of passage
riverside theatre
voler la vedette

there is my selections let the games begin

You having a bet on Poquelin tomorrow? tough task for him but he loves the track. Not with out a chance...

Also Tricky trickster tomorrow and Forpady on Sunday. Good to have early runners (and hopefully winners) on the board!

jimini0

i really like poquelin its a horse for in my opinion loves every ground and as for padydeplasterer it will be in the mix it always is. tricky trickster has won me alot in the past so i could not leave it out

nulty i see you went for PANDORAMA why???????????

Nulty

He's a horse I really like and he arguably has the best staying novice form of last year. However good Weapons Amnesty was at the festival, Pandorama had his measure in Ireland. Whats not to like, he'll be going for the Hennessy and then onto the Gold Cup if all goes well. He'll probably need to win the Hennessy to think about the GC but I reckon he's got a very goo chance. Its worrying to hear he was bleeding from the nose when he was withdrawn at Down Royal but positive vibes coming from Noel Meade say theres nothing to worry about.

hucklebuck

Nulty wrote: »

Cue Card gets me a few points in the bag...I'm officially in the lead

Crap, just saw yours gscully

Do you know you can delete stuff you type before clicking submit post;)

hucklebuck

The nosebleed put me off including Pandorama, yet I picked Captain Cee Bee in one of my lists. I can't remember the logic for it.:eek:

My first team is(some risky picks but potentially excellent horses):

Big Bucks
Big Zeb
Captain Cee Bee
Cue Card
Diamond Harry
Get Me Out Of Here
Hurricane Fly
Khyber Kim
Long Run
The Nightingale


My second team(more solid picks) is:

Big Buck's
Big Zeb
Binocular
Denman
Imperial Commander
Kauto Star
Menorah
Michel Le Bon
Planet Of Sound
Solwhit

I doubt the Paddy Power made much odds, can't see many having picked Dancing Tornado.

Nulty

Finians Rainbow was meant to run this weekend. Must not have been ready. Really looking forward to seeing if he lives up to the hype. I've bought into it by selectiong him for the TTF...better not disappoint. BG has said he "devours fences". Heres hoping