TUI moaning about compulsory redundancies

ILA

I'm actually delighted to see that the Department are putting it up to the TUI who can only come out with comments that its "outrageous" and "illegal".

As a third level student, I'm sick of lecturers who are absolute wasters. A couple are shy of work, missing a good few lectures, sometimes without prior notice.

The worst was one of disappeared on sick leave for almost two months, however there didn't seem to be much wrong with her. So if people think teachers are lazy and useless, they've evidently never met the higher paid lecturers who get more time off during the year as well.

They whinge now when action is taken to reform them, but yet they didn't accept the sweet deal offered in the Croke Park Agreement which would have protected their comfy, unchallenged position.

Guarantees of no compulsory redundancies contained in the Croke Park public service agreement do not apply to workers who have not signed up to the agreement, the Department of Education has confirmed.


This follows reports this morning that the Government could target lecturers belonging to the Teachers' Union of Ireland for compulsory redundancy because their union has remained outside the agreement.
The Irish Independent revealed correspondence suggesting that if a vacancy arose members of unions other than the TUI would be given preferential treatment for redeployment to fill those vacancies.


The TUI described the suggestion as outrageous and illegal, adding that it would be vigorously resisted.


Peter McMenamin of the TUI, speaking on RTÉ's Morning Ireland, said singling-out union members was illegal. He also described reports as 'counterproductive'.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/1015/pay.html

Snakeblood

ILA wrote: »

The worst was one of disappeared on sick leave for almost two months, however there didn't seem to be much wrong with her.

Were you staring in her window to find out?

orourkeda

If you mess with the TUI strikes ensue.

Therein lies your problem.

ILA

orourkeda wrote: »

If you mess with the TUI strikes ensue.

Therein lies your problem.

Then they should definitely be made compulsorily redundant and the Gardai should be sent out to beat them off the streets (if they've not gone up to Newry on strike day to shop).

Snakeblood wrote:

Were you staring in her window to find out?

I wish, but those type of Lecturer/Teacher v Student affairs only seem to happen in America. Anyway, I digress.

I'm sick of wasters in the public service, and I used to actually be a hardcore pinko but now I hate the unions.

curlzy

ILA wrote: »

They whinge now when action is taken to reform them, but yet they didn't accept the sweet deal offered in the Croke Park Agreement which would have protected their comfy, unchallenged position.

You're messing right? Signing away your right to protest for 4 years!!!! I wouldn't sign that either. Sweet deal my eye.

orourkeda

ILA wrote: »

Then they should definitely be made compulsorily redundant and the Gardai should be sent out to beat them off the streets (if they've not gone up to Newry on strike day to shop).

As I see it, Education and healthcare are about the most important issues that any government have to deal with in the grand scheme of things. People will have their own opinions, but to educate our children and care for our sick are important priorities. Therefore I feel that these areas should be the last areas to be hit by cuts.

Secondly, whether you agree with the teachers or not they are entitled to strike if they feel they have been aggrieved. Beating someone off the streets that you don't agree with is verging on fascist.

rainbowtrout

ILA wrote: »

The worst was one of disappeared on sick leave for almost two months, however there didn't seem to be much wrong with her.

Did you have access to her medical records to make that assessment?

arse..biscuits

ILA wrote: »

the Gardai should be sent out to beat them off the streets

Nice level headed statement there

dvpower

orourkeda wrote: »

As I see it, Education and healthcare are about the most important issues that any government have to deal with in the grand scheme of things. People will have their own opinions, but to educate our children and care for our sick are important priorities.

They sure are.

orourkeda wrote: »

Therefore I feel that these areas should be the last areas to be hit by cuts.

But have you seen the figures? We can't not cut these high spending departments. We should try and do it as far as possible without hurting services and that means hurting the service providers (the lecturers in this case). Some lecturers have been identified as being surplus to requirements, so these obviously should be cut first (in the interests of the service).

orourkeda wrote: »

Secondly, whether you agree with the teachers or not they are entitled to strike if they feel they have been aggrieved. Beating someone off the streets that you don't agree with is verging on fascist.

They are. They are also entitled to be made redundant. They had a chance to avoid this but they failed to sign up to the Croke Park deal.

Blowfish

orourkeda wrote: »

As I see it, Education and healthcare are about the most important issues that any government have to deal with in the grand scheme of things. People will have their own opinions, but to educate our children and care for our sick are important priorities. Therefore I feel that these areas should be the last areas to be hit by cuts.

Consultant salaries were raised last year such that some of them will be on €240,000. That's almost twice what the equivalent in the UK are on.

The reality is, both the health and education depts. are abusing their position of 'importance' to siphon huge amounts of their budget into overpaying their employees. They most definitely should face cuts.

Sonnenblumen

ILA wrote: »

I'm actually delighted to see that the Department are putting it up to the TUI who can only come out with comments that its "outrageous" and "illegal".

As a third level student, I'm sick of lecturers who are absolute wasters. A couple are shy of work, missing a good few lectures, sometimes without prior notice.

The worst was one of disappeared on sick leave for almost two months, however there didn't seem to be much wrong with her. So if people think teachers are lazy and useless, they've evidently never met the higher paid lecturers who get more time off during the year as well.

They whinge now when action is taken to reform them, but yet they didn't accept the sweet deal offered in the Croke Park Agreement which would have protected their comfy, unchallenged position.

Agree, about time the Gov tackled these 'ivory tower morons'. Just watch TUI find a way to back down without loss of face. The Gov should press ahead and go through with Croker consequences and get rid of TUI dead wood members. There's plenty of eager new talent available to fill any opps.

Could turn out to be a master stroke by Gov to regain some cred with electorate and punish TUI. :rolleyes:

orourkeda

Blowfish wrote: »

Consultant salaries were raised last year such that some of them will be on €240,000. That's almost twice what the equivalent in the UK are on.

The reality is, both the health and education depts. are abusing their position of 'importance' to siphon huge amounts of their budget into overpaying their employees. They most definitely should face cuts.

This down to poor management surely. Consultants play no real role in these areas and consultancy fees are racked up in every government department.

Maybe the consultants should be the first to go

Wertz

orourkeda wrote: »

This down to poor management surely. Consultants play no real role in these areas and consultancy fees are racked up in every government department.

Maybe the consultants should be the first to go

"Consultant" specialists in their field of medicine...not the other type; the ones who proffer advice on all and sundry to various government and state bodies who should be a in a position to know most of the bullsh*t they hire outside consultants in to advise them on...
It is one of the true money pits in this country...consultants reports on everyhting from childcare to road management to bank bailouts to wage agreements to you name it.