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  • 14-10-2010 10:57pm
    #1
    galwaytt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,822 ✭✭✭✭


    ....I did my test, both actually - car & bike - on the same day, waaaaay back, in 1987.

    So, I've decided to work my way up the food chain, and get my C licence (have a C1).

    So, I did the DTT practice online, and came up against the following question:

    Question: Can you drive on the hard shoulder in order to let faster moving traffic overtake you?
    My Answer: No.
    Correct Answer: Only if driving on a dual-carriageway

    Is this right, or am I losing the plot ? What has dual-carriageway got to do with driving on the hard shoulder ? Imho, nothing. Interested to hear what ye think.....


    Next one for ye:
    Question: You are driving on a wide road behind a vehicle which has signalled to turn right up ahead. You should...
    My Answer: ..stay behind until it's finished turning right........
    Correct Answer: overtake on the left-hand side and continue on

    OK, this one I see a difference between the practical and the theoretical. One reason I'm accident free in 20+ years is because I've learned NOT to put blind faith anyone's indicator's.......

    Finally, and good Cat C specific tips or links I should be looking at ? And, for the test - does the truck have to be a rigid body, for example ? I mean, can it be a flat-bed ? If, fitted with a body - what's the story on trucks with rear-view visions systems (camera's) ? I would use the camera if it's there - no reason not to.

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  • #2
    ADIDriving
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 834 ✭✭✭ADIDriving


    To be honest I can't make sense of the first one. As regards the second one. Don't believe indicators on their own. But if thwy are turned on coming up to a turn, or if the vehicle adjust position, or if they slow down etc. You probably do react yourself. You should belive a set of signals.
    I just drive cars, so no tips for trucks. There are specific requirements for the size, shape and weight of the truck. Check the rsa site or the rules of th road (which I don't have to hand at the moment).


  • #3
    Faith+1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,674 ✭✭✭Faith+1


    galwaytt wrote: »
    Finally, and good Cat C specific tips or links I should be looking at ? And, for the test - does the truck have to be a rigid body, for example ? I mean, can it be a flat-bed ? If, fitted with a body - what's the story on trucks with rear-view visions systems (camera's) ? I would use the camera if it's there - no reason not to.

    You can drive any type of Truck whether it's a flat bed, Box body etc... as long as the vehicle is over 7,500kg and below 32,000kg.

    I know only one school that has inboard cameras, I won't say names but they're bright red mercedes and they're based in Jamestown business park! I'm not sure of the regulations of using them in a test though..:confused: I'd recommend learning to drive in trucks without them, It improves your own vision/reaction around the vechicle and will make you a safer driver without the need for technology.

    Here's a few links which I hope help you;

    http://www.citizensinformation.ie/categories/travel-and-recreation/motoring-1/driver-licensing/learner-driving-permits-for-buses-and-trucks

    http://www.rsa.ie/en/RSA/Professional-Drivers/Driver-Hours/Getting-your-CPC/

    http://www.rsa.ie/Documents/Tachograph_Enf/Tacho%20Cards/Tacho%20Guides/Bus%20and%20Truck%20Operators%20Guide%20to%20Road%20Safety.pdf

    http://www.rotr.ie/

    Ps- if you need anymore additional help I'd recommend asking "DonkeyBalls" on these forums. He's a transport manager with years trucking experience so he knows his Sh*t!!:cool:


  • #4
    DrivingTestTips: Brian
    Closed Accounts Posts: 243 ✭✭DrivingTestTips: Brian


    I'm a Cat C ADI and would like to advise you about something.

    The theory test is based on theory and that means not always the practical and driving instructors give out about that all the time.
    Next one for ye:
    Question: You are driving on a wide road behind a vehicle which has signalled to turn right up ahead. You should...
    My Answer: ..stay behind until it's finished turning right........
    Correct Answer: overtake on the left-hand side and continue on

    What about tail swing? junction ahead on left? Sign post (signs sticking out) on left, don't forget the truck is turning right so there are signs.

    I always tell people to learn "how they should answer" the theory test questions but add education and common sense when on the road.

    Going buy your answers, you can see that yourself. The actual driving is somewhat different.


  • #5
    J_R
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,149 ✭✭✭J_R


    galwaytt wrote: »
    ....I did my test, both actually - car & bike - on the same day, waaaaay back, in 1987.

    So, I've decided to work my way up the food chain, and get my C licence (have a C1).

    So, I did the DTT practice online, and came up against the following question:

    Question: Can you drive on the hard shoulder in order to let faster moving traffic overtake you?
    My Answer: No.
    Correct Answer: Only if driving on a dual-carriageway

    Is this right, or am I losing the plot ? What has dual-carriageway got to do with driving on the hard shoulder ? Imho, nothing. Interested to hear what ye think.....


    Next one for ye:
    Question: You are driving on a wide road behind a vehicle which has signalled to turn right up ahead. You should...
    My Answer: ..stay behind until it's finished turning right........
    Correct Answer: overtake on the left-hand side and continue on

    OK, this one I see a difference between the practical and the theoretical. One reason I'm accident free in 20+ years is because I've learned NOT to put blind faith anyone's indicator's.......

    Finally, and good Cat C specific tips or links I should be looking at ? And, for the test - does the truck have to be a rigid body, for example ? I mean, can it be a flat-bed ? If, fitted with a body - what's the story on trucks with rear-view visions systems (camera's) ? I would use the camera if it's there - no reason not to.
    Hi,
    No website have the official theory test questions/answers online. One website actually charged for 'similar' questions to the test. Very few people seemed to notice the word 'similar'.

    Do not have the CD to hand to check to see if above questions are there but first one looks very wrong. To have to move to the hard shoulder to allow someone to overtake on a dual carriageway would have to be an unusual situation. Why do they not use the ordinary overtaking lane. ?

    (Provided bordered by dotted yellow line it is not illegal to drive for a short period on the hard shoulder on a dual carriageway but it is illegal to drive or stop on a motorway hard shoulder)


    Rules of the road say
    Road Markings
    A single broken yellow line along the side of the road


    If a driver wants to allow a vehicle behind them to overtake, they may pull in to the hard shoulder briefly as long as no pedestrians or cyclists are already using it and no junctions or entrances are nearby.

    Different rules exist for hard shoulders on motorways. See Section 11 for details.

    and one of the favourite oral questions in the test.

    When can you overtake on the left and the ROTR answer
    You may overtake on the left when:_

    * You want to go straight ahead when the driver in front of you has moved out and signalled that they intend to turn right.
    * You have signalled that you intend to turn left.
    * Traffic in both lanes is moving slowly and traffic in the left-hand lane is moving more quickly than the traffic in the right-hand lane.

    A factory fitted camera on a car may be used in the test provided other all around observations taken, do not know re. Cat C


  • #6
    Wishbone Ash
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,038 ✭✭✭✭Wishbone Ash


    galwaytt wrote: »
    My Answer: ..stay behind until it's finished turning right........
    So if you are on a wide road behind a bicycle or a motorcycle which is intending to turn right , and have indicated their intention, you would wait until they completed their manoeuvre?
    galwaytt wrote:
    ... One reason I'm accident free in 20+ years is because I've learned NOT to put blind faith anyone's indicator's........
    ....or you've just been lucky!!!

    You are not really comparing like with like. If a driver has indicated his intention to turn right, has begun to slow down, move to the right etc. and is on a wide road, it's perfectly acceptable (all else being equal) to overtake on the left. Staying behind could cause confusion with other motorists and may contribute to an accident.

    Coming out of a minor road onto a major road or on a roundabout and trusting the indicator of another vehicle is a totally different matter.
    DrivingTestTips: Brian wrote: »
    What about tail swing?
    The scenario referred to a wide road. A road would have to be very narrow for a tail swing to take effect as the physically acting of turning to the right is reducing it anyway.

    Even if you put a stationary bus or truck on full lock and then move off, the tail swing is rarely more than 15cm (and that is on full lock from stationary which would never really happen in normal driving situations). Another vehicle would have to be overtaking incredible closely for contact to be made.


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  • #7
    User Friendly
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭User Friendly


    Question: Can you drive on the hard shoulder in order to let faster moving traffic overtake you?
    My Answer: No.
    Correct Answer: Only if driving on a dual-carriageway

    What cant you understand here?
    its very simple.......you can drive on the hard shoulder Provided its not on a motorway

    There is no law against driving on the hard shoulder on a dual carriageway, there is a law against driving on the hard shoulder of a motorway. simples.


  • #8
    User Friendly
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭User Friendly


    Question: You are driving on a wide road behind a vehicle which has signalled to turn right up ahead. You should...
    My Answer: ..stay behind until it's finished turning right........
    Correct Answer: overtake on the left-hand side and continue on



    The clue is in the question......Wide road i see no issue here,Dems the rules;)


  • #9
    currins_02
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 133 ✭✭currins_02


    Just regarding the vehicle for the test, there are very specific criteria laid down at the back of the ROTR book detailing the type of vehicle which can be used for the test. There are 2 distinct sets of rules for each licence category dealing with vehicles registered before or after 2004.

    These regulations deal with the length, body, GVW and speed capability of the test vehicle.

    I haven't got the book to hand tonight but I beleive that for category C the vehcile must have a "closed box body at least as high and as wide as the cab" (or something along those lines) and that a minimum GVW and length is also dictated.


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