What engine oil for VW Passat 1.9TDI 130

BrokenArrows

The engine has a slow oil leak and its due a top up.
I have no idea what oil is currently in it.

What should i buy?

Ill be bringing it for a full service and a fix of the leak next month for the NCT so i dont want to be spending a fortune on the oil.

Gumbo

BrokenArrows wrote: »

The engine has a slow oil leak and its due a top up.
I have no idea what oil is currently in it.

What should i buy?

Ill be bringing it for a full service and a fix of the leak next month for the NCT so i dont want to be spending a fortune on the oil.

what does your owners manual state?
if you dont know whats in it i would recommend doing a drain and oil change. i dont like mixing my oils and theres no point going out and buying the best that castrol has to offer if you only topping up tesco oil from before hand.

BrokenArrows

don't have the owners manual.

Is there any danger in mixing oil types?
Between now and the service i plan on doing about 700km

Gary ITR

If you're topping up till next month I'd reccomend any fully synthetic 10w40 for that engine

Atlantic Dawn

5W40 or 5W30 depending on the year, check www.castrol.co.uk and it will give you the exact oil based on the year of the car.

giant_midget

Also, I have used with sucess a product called Lucas oil booster, It will find and stop small leaks in your engine...very good stuff

BrokenArrows

castrol website says 10w40 so ill go for that one.

Thanks.

bigSuzi12

Get the Volkswagen/BMW longlife stuff. You have a turbo diesel, so get good oil. Better than having a huge turbo/engine rebuild bill.

BrokenArrows

bigSuzi12 wrote: »

Get the Volkswagen/BMW longlife stuff. You have a turbo diesel, so get good oil. Better than having a huge turbo/engine rebuild bill.

I would but its a temp thing till i get it fully serviced and fixed next month.

mathepac

False economy using incorrect oil even on a temporary basis; your turbo / cam-shaft won't thank you. Ignore all the incorrect advice above.

According to the Castrol website (assuming the car is set up for fixed service intervals) the oil you need is Castrol Edge Turbo Diesel 5W 40, it will say "VW 505 01" on the tin - simple as.

http://www.castrol.com/castrol/productdetailmin.do?categoryId=9014076&contentId=7027069

Extract - "505 01 approval for VW Pumpe Duse Diesel (PDD) engines and other pre-2002 diesel engines"

BrokenArrows

It says Edge Turbo Diesel 5W-40 OR MAGNATEC 10W-40

I went for the MAGNATEC 10W-40

mathepac

That's odd, I can't get the selector to show me anything other than Castrol Edge Turbo Diesel 5W 30 (variable servicing intervals) or 5W 40 (fixed service intervals) for any PD-engined Passat. Maybe there's a problem with my browser or cookies or something.

Not to worry once you're happy, but VW approvals for the use of Castrol Magnatec oils in PD engines is new to me.

keithclancy

*shakes head*

Jesus lads .. Its a feckin Diesel .

5W30 for short life (10,000km usually for VW/Ford etc)
5W40 for long life (20,000km usually for VW/Ford etc)

Its fine to top up 5W40 with 5W30 and vice versa.

Get the Volkswagen/BMW longlife stuff. You have a turbo diesel, so get good oil. Better than having a huge turbo/engine rebuild bill.

5W40 is the BMW/VAG/PUG longlife stuff, unless it was imported on the black market i'd trust the rating

mathepac wrote: »

Not to worry once you're happy, but VW approvals for the use of Castrol Magnatec oils in PD engines is new to me.

I hear that Marlboro changed the name from 'lights' to 'gold' recently ... dont think that changed the product

Edit .. apologies .. brain wasnt working

VeVeX

keithclancy wrote: »

*shakes head*

Jesus lads .. Its a feckin Diesel .

10W30 for short life (10,000km usually for VW/Ford etc)
10W40 for long life (20,000km usually for VW/Ford etc)

Its fine to top up 10W40 with 10W30 and vice versa.


10W40 is the BMW/VAG/PUG longlife stuff, unless it was imported on the black market i'd trust the rating



I hear that Marlboro changed the name from 'lights' to 'gold' recently ... dont think that changed the product

Wrong !!

5w30 Castrol Edge is for variable servicing. 10w40 Magnatec is a bear minimum for fixed interval servicing on most modern engines like vag diesels.

Personally I would only use a fully synthetic oil like 5w-30 edge on modern vw diesels regardless of change intervals. Putting semi synthetic magnatec into it is not affording your engine and turbo best protection.

keithclancy

VeVeX wrote: »

Wrong !!

5w30 Castrol Edge is for variable servicing. 10w40 Magnatec is a bear minimum for fixed interval servicing on most modern engines like vag diesels.

Personally I would only use a fully synthetic oil like 5w-30 edge on modern vw diesels regardless of change intervals. Putting semi synthetic magnatec into it is not affording your engine and turbo best protection.

And another Brand invented load of bollocks... Pro Vitamin B5 for Women.

Rating ... Rating ... Rating ...

5W40 will last longer than 5W30 in a Diesel Engine.

mathepac

keithclancy wrote: »

*shakes head*

Jesus lads .. Its a feckin Diesel .

10W30 for short life (10,000km usually for VW/Ford etc)
10W40 for long life (20,000km usually for VW/Ford etc)

Its fine to top up 10W40 with 10W30 and vice versa.


10W40 is the BMW/VAG/PUG longlife stuff, unless it was imported on the black market i'd trust the rating



I hear that Marlboro changed the name from 'lights' to 'gold' recently ... dont think that changed the product

All complete rubbish as BMW & Peugeot AFAIK never used VAG PD diesel engines and have different evaluation and rating systems anyway. Ford sold the old Sharan as the Galaxy. Lucky Galaxy owners had their cars serviced by VW techs.

The important thing is not the viscosity rating of an oil, which is only one aspect of its composition, but the vehicle manufacturer's standard / approval rating of a particular lubricant for an engine / service interval combination.

keithclancy

mathepac wrote: »

All complete rubbish as BMW & Peugeot AFAIK never used VAG PD diesel engines and have different evaluation and rating systems anyway. Ford sold the old Sharan as the Galaxy. Lucky Galaxy owners had their cars serviced by VW techs.

The important thing is not the viscosity rating of an oil, which is only one aspect of its composition, but the vehicle manufacturer's standard / approval rating of a particular lubricant for an engine / service interval combination.

Edited my post .. slip of the keyboard.

The VAG 1.9 TDI and the PUG 2.0 D both use 5w40 longlife and 5w30 short life.

sean1141

just ask for oil for your car in any motorfactors. they will check which spec oil on the computer and tell you what you can pick from.. i use comma oil in my pd. once it has vw 505.01 on it your grand

Tomo1987

I have the 2004 PD TDi passat 130Bhp and had low oil so i just topped it up with some 5w/30 semi synthetic the other day. It didnt specify weather or not it was for the pd engine or if it was 507.00 etc. which VAG recommend....should i be worried?

sean1141

pd engines need oil that meets vw 505.01 0r 507.01 spec... i would do an oil change a.s.a.p

FrontDoor

What is the verdict on Motoquip oil for a top up in 2008 1.9 TDI 105 bhp engine. Its in a Touran.

http://ew5.earlweb.com/productlink.php?site=39&region=57&language=5&brand=43&productlink=1225

It seems to be the right oil, meeting the standard, but what sort of quality is it?

George Dalton

Don't know anything about it but should be fine for a top up at least since it meets the correct spec. Where are you sourcing it out of interest? I have never seen it for sale anywhere.

FrontDoor

Picked it up in the local motor factors. €14 for a liter. Fella in the motor factors recommended it. I haven't used it and was wondering if its up to scratch or not.

I've noticed the oil level has dropped a little over the last 8,000 miles, but is still very much in the center, hatched area of the dipstick. Thought it would be no harm to have a liter handy.

GhanGee

I have Passat 1.9TDi '03 and I also need to chenge the oil soon, here's my simple understanding. For long life they recommend 5W30, they also recommend fully synthetic oils and of course for PD engine 505.01 (or 506.01, 507.01) certified oils. When I check on Halfords page, and search for 505.01 I only find halfords branded products. Is there no Castrol, Motul, Elf with this specification? What about Castrol Magnatec 5W30 (it doesn't say 505.01 so not suitable for PD engine, right?), or Mobil Super 1000 X1 10W/40 and Mobil Super 2000 X1 10W/40 (they both are VW 501 01, 505 00). I am a total noob in this area, I better ask than be sorry later.

George Dalton

The Castrol and Mobil oils you mention are not suitable for your car but Castrol certainly do one to suit:

Castrol Edge 5w40:

http://www.opieoils.co.uk/p-719-castrol-edge-turbo-diesel-fst-5w-40-advanced-synthetic-engine-oil.aspx

I'm pretty sure Mobil do as well but I don't know the specific type as I am not too familiar with Mobil's range of oils.

GhanGee

thanks George Dalton, anyone can recommend a place to buy these? Or is 60 Eur a standard price for 4L bottle? I don't want to go the cheapest way but would like to save some $ for the quality, if available.

George Dalton

VW dealers supply their own brand Quantum oils at good prices.

Quantum platinum is the one for your car, I think you should be able to buy the 5L can of it for less than €40.

-Corkie-

GhanGee wrote: »

thanks George Dalton, anyone can recommend a place to buy these? Or is 60 Eur a standard price for 4L bottle? I don't want to go the cheapest way but would like to save some $ for the quality, if available.

Halfords do sell it its called Castrol Edge. They also sell Mobil 1 ESP formula 5w/30.

vectra

Just get this and drain your current oil and refill
http://www.halfords.ie/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?mpe_id=69445&msg=&cm_cr=No+Campaign-_-Web+Activity-_-C224209-_-PRODHOME_ESPOTCAROUSEL-_-Castrol+Magnatec+5W30+Vauxhall+Oil+4+Litre&catalogId=15551&productId=775571&evtype=CpgnClick&intv_id=70368&langId=-1&storeId=11101&ddkey=http:ClickInfo

George Dalton

vectra wrote: »

Just get this and drain your current oil and refill
http://www.halfords.ie/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?mpe_id=69445&msg=&cm_cr=No+Campaign-_-Web+Activity-_-C224209-_-PRODHOME_ESPOTCAROUSEL-_-Castrol+Magnatec+5W30+Vauxhall+Oil+4+Litre&catalogId=15551&productId=775571&evtype=CpgnClick&intv_id=70368&langId=-1&storeId=11101&ddkey=http:ClickInfo

That isn't exactly helpful. He wants to use the correct oil for his car, not one that doesn't meet the required spec.

GhanGee

George Dalton wrote: »

That isn't exactly helpful. He wants to use the correct oil for his car, not one that doesn't meet the required spec.

right, 'Castrol Magnatec 5W30 Vauxhall Oil 4 Litre' doesn't look like suitable for PD engines

GTE

Loads of chat here for a simple answer. Too much to read on mobile :-P

Make sure it meets the VW505.01 standard. There are newer standards which replace it but if you see an oil that meets it and is not recommended (important wordage) go for that.

I have run 0w30 and 5w30 since I got mine.

The standard being met is the most important thing anyway. The 130 needs more TLC.

GhanGee

any advice on what type of oil filter to use ?

GTE

GhanGee wrote: »

any advice on what type of oil filter to use ?

Thats a good question. Never really thought about it too much. I'd be confident in what my motor factors would give me though.

vectra

George Dalton wrote: »

That isn't exactly helpful. He wants to use the correct oil for his car, not one that doesn't meet the required spec.

I thought once it met the 505 spec it was fine?

MEETS SPECIFICATIONS

API SL CF
ACEA A3 B3/B4
Vauxhall GM-LL-A-025 GM-LL-B-025
BMW LL-98 LL-01
VW 501.01 502.00 505.00
Renault RN0700

George Dalton

vectra wrote: »

I thought once it met the 505 spec it was fine?

Has to be 505.01, 505.00 is an older spec for the non PD TDIs.

mathepac

George Dalton wrote: »

Has to be 505.01, ... PD TDIs.

These are the critical pieces of information. PDs require special additives to avoid pump/injector wear and problems.

This thing of replacing oil every 10,000 miles is total shi&e.

I used the Castrol Edge 5W30 in my A4 Tdi 130 HP for 100,000 miles changing every 15,000 MILES.

Was still good when I sold it just over 200,000 miles in total !

You can believe the old man saying change your oil every 5-7000 miles, it's your money and it is expensive oil, it says long life, it is long life. And I've learned that it works!

I used it in the passat, the caddy's too no problems, And I was clocking up 55,000 miles a year in the Caddy's, no freaking way was I changing it any time sooner!

I would say the same would apply for the vag common rail engines too!

Mycroft H

Deleted User wrote: »

This thing of replacing oil every 10,000 miles is total shi&e.

I used the Castrol Edge 5W30 in my A4 Tdi 130 HP for 100,000 miles changing every 15,000 MILES.

Was still good when I sold it just over 200,000 miles in total !

You can believe the old man saying change your oil every 5-7000 miles, it's your money and it is expensive oil, it says long life, it is long life. And I've learned that it works!

I used it in the passat, the caddy's too no problems, And I was clocking up 55,000 miles a year in the Caddy's, no freaking way was I changing it any time sooner!


I would say the same would apply for the vag common rail engines too!

It may be old man tec, but it works.

I've a high mile xantia HDi and its gets serviced every 8,000 miles rather then the manufactures 12,000. Its still runs like clockwork with 160k miles on it. It was doing a lot of tow work though, so the engine got looked after more then was probably nessasary

-Corkie-

Deleted User wrote: »

This thing of replacing oil every 10,000 miles is total shi&e.

I used the Castrol Edge 5W30 in my A4 Tdi 130 HP for 100,000 miles changing every 15,000 MILES.

Was still good when I sold it just over 200,000 miles in total !

You can believe the old man saying change your oil every 5-7000 miles, it's your money and it is expensive oil, it says long life, it is long life. And I've learned that it works!

I used it in the passat, the caddy's too no problems, And I was clocking up 55,000 miles a year in the Caddy's, no freaking way was I changing it any time sooner!

I would say the same would apply for the vag common rail engines too!

How do you know its sh1te as in I presumed you tested the oil for soot and carbon content???

BX 19

BX 19 wrote: »

It may be old man tec, but it works.

I've a high mile xantia HDi and its gets serviced every 8,000 miles rather then the manufactures 12,000. Its still runs like clockwork with 160k miles on it. It was doing a lot of tow work though, so the engine got looked after more then was probably nessasary

Your money!

-Corkie-

-Corkie- wrote: »

How do you know its sh1te as in I presumed you tested the oil for soot and carbon content???

No but over 400,000 miles of changing the oil every 15,000 miles proves to me it is Sh&te!

And spending 90 Euro's on long life oil every 8,000 miles over 50,000 miles a year and more would have cost me a fortune!

If you want to buy the cheaper normal oil than I would say sure replase at 8000-10000 miles.

-Corkie-

Deleted User wrote: »

No but over 400,000 miles of changing the oil every 15,000 miles proves to me it is Sh&te!

And spending 90 Euro's on long life oil every 8,000 miles over 50,000 miles a year and more would have cost me a fortune!

If you want to buy the cheaper normal oil than I would say sure replase at 8000-10000 miles.

Castrol edge can be got for less than fifty quid. Anyway long life oil is not required in the older model Caddy.

-Corkie-

-Corkie- wrote: »

Castrol edge can be got for less than fifty quid. Anyway long life oil is not required in the older model Caddy.

No but I didn't change the oil after 10,000 miles either!

Too many miles and working 6 days a week for 5 years straight made that very hard to do!

Agent_47

-Corkie- wrote: »

Castrol edge can be got for less than fifty quid. Anyway long life oil is not required in the older model Caddy.

Where?

How can VW sell Quantum for €40 and Castrol only sell a 4L pack of Edge for over €50 in Halfords. The VW we have takes 5L so we have to pay €65 for a 4 + 1. Very expensive so woundering how are VW doing it cheaper and is it the real deal?

I use 5W - 30 fully synt Magnetec in my 1.6D which is currently €20. How can there be such a difeerence between fully synthetic oils?

GhanGee

Agent_47 wrote: »

Where?

How can VW sell Quantum for €40 and Castrol only sell a 4L pack of Edge for over €50 in Halfords. The VW we have takes 5L so we have to pay €65 for a 4 + 1. Very expensive so woundering how are VW doing it cheaper and is it the real deal?

I use 5W - 30 fully synt Magnetec in my 1.6D which is currently €20. How can there be such a difeerence between fully synthetic oils?

today, I actually asked at VW dealer and they do have the Quantum recommended oil for 40+VAT which is alright considering it's coming directly from VW it's fully synthetic and matches all requirement of PD TDi engine. At Maxol garage, another "unknown" brand oil is about the same price and branded oils in Halfords are 40-50% more expensive. Where's the competitiveness ???

GTE

George Dalton wrote: »

vectra wrote: »

I thought once it met the 505 spec it was fine?

Has to be 505.01, 505.00 is an older spec for the non PD TDIs.

Indeed, that .01 is so important.


It does nothing for the older VE TDI which runs off the 505.00 standard but makes all the difference for the PD.

Apparently one of the contributory reasons they are less reliable is that the wrong oil is used and causes wear in the engine and turbo which crops up in recent years. So I'm told anyway.

GhanGee

alright, just to make sure I called 2 more official VW dealers and both told me a price about 5 Eur higher than the one at "Frank Keane Volkswagen" (Lond Mile Rd.) only for oil, never asked about the filter. I just returned from FK VW, where I got recommended oil filter and VW approved oil (Quantum Long Life III 5W30 "507.00") for total price 59.40 and I can't be more satisfied. I would never believe I get the best deal at the official dealer :DD

mickdw

GhanGee wrote: »

alright, just to make sure I called 2 more official VW dealers and both told me a price about 5 Eur higher than the one at "Frank Keane Volkswagen" (Lond Mile Rd.) only for oil, never asked about the filter. I just returned from FK VW, where I got recommended oil filter and VW approved oil (Quantum Long Life III 5W30 "507.00") for total price 59.40 and I can't be more satisfied. I would never believe I get the best deal at the official dealer :DD

Yep, they do appear to beat all around them with the quantum oils. Last I checked, dealer was selling 505.00 (non pd) for €20 for 5L and 507.00 (PD longlife) for €43 for 5L. Interestingly, he didnt stock the oil which sits in between - the 505.01 oil but swore that they use 505.00 in PD engines on fixed intervals. When I asked for the 505.01 oil, he asked had I seen it in this country. Being honest, Id only seen it in uk in the quantum brand. Makes you wonder what they are sticking in the cars.

GTE

mickdw wrote: »

Yep, they do appear to beat all around them with the quantum oils. Last I checked, dealer was selling 505.00 (non pd) for €20 for 5L and 507.00 (PD longlife) for €43 for 5L. Interestingly, he didnt stock the oil which sits in between - the 505.01 oil but swore that they use 505.00 in PD engines on fixed intervals. When I asked for the 505.01 oil, he asked had I seen it in this country. Being honest, Id only seen it in uk in the quantum brand. Makes you wonder what they are sticking in the cars.

I thought VW dealers using the wrong oil in PDs was a myth. Disappointing.

Locally, its easier to get 505.01 than 505.00.

Will be going to VW for their 505.00 now at 20 euro!

Chimaera

One of the issues with the PDs is increased wear on the camshaft lobes driving the injectors. They're doing a lot more work than the valve lobes and if the wrong oil is used they tend to wear. It's a significant issue for the PD TDIs in the US where finding the correct oils is much harder.

Anecdotally, 5w40 synthetic seems to be the best option - 5w30 isn't thick enough to protect the camshaft.