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2010 Football All-Stars

  • 13-10-2010 4:06pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 557 ✭✭✭


    1 Brendan McVeigh Down
    2 Peter Kelly Kildare
    3 Michael Shields Cork
    4 Charlie Harrison Sligo
    5 Paidi Kiissane Cork
    6 Graham Canty Cork
    7 Philip Jordan Tyrone
    8 Paddy Keenan Louth
    9 Aidan Walsh Cork
    10 Daniel Hughes Down
    11 Martin Clarke Down
    12 Johnny Doyle Kildare
    13 Colm Cooper Kerry
    14. Bernard Brogan Dublin
    15. Benny Coulter Down


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,525 ✭✭✭kilns


    Bit of a joke but they usually are

    No way Canty, Aidan Walsh and Benny Coulter deserve one


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,709 ✭✭✭thesultan


    Canty was injured for most of the year:confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,659 ✭✭✭unknown13


    Joke is an understatment. Cooper has no business in that team.

    Mc Cauley no doubt deserves his place.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,528 ✭✭✭dcr22B


    Load of ****e, 1 Dub on the team yet 2 Kildare players make it and WTF is the story with Philip Jordan getting one.

    Hopefully the GPA awards will give a fairer reflection from a Dublin perspective (although I doubt that).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,659 ✭✭✭unknown13


    I am starting feel that mc cauley didn't get his place because of a sympathy vote to Louth. Mc Cauley was absolutely outstanding for Dublin this year. He never had a bad game.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,528 ✭✭✭dcr22B


    unknown13 wrote: »
    I am starting feel that mc cauley didn't get his place because of a sympathy vote to Louth. Mc Cauley was absolutely outstanding for Dublin this year. He never had a bad game.
    In fairness, McAuley destroyed Keenan in the 4th round qualifier. For that reason alone, he merits inclusion over Keenan and Walsh for the record.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,659 ✭✭✭unknown13


    Wasn't Louth's midfield given an absolute massacre by Meath in the First half of the Leinster final. How on earth can the GAA say a Louth midfielder deserve an All Star.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,460 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    Canty should not have got one but Alan Quirke deserved goalie position


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 829 ✭✭✭Long Term Louth


    unknown13 wrote: »
    I am starting feel that mc cauley didn't get his place because of a sympathy vote to Louth. Mc Cauley was absolutely outstanding for Dublin this year. He never had a bad game.


    Paddy Keenan was without doubt one of the best midfielders in the country this year and I am sure the decision for his inclusion (anyone who has seen him play ALL games, would surely agree) was not induced by sympathy, so your feelings in this instance lack substance.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20 Animal Bar


    RTE Favourites in again. They shafted Patrick Kelly last year by going with Kennelly and now this year Johnny Doyle in the half forward line horse ****. Corks best player all year in every game but I guess the RTE/GAA Pundits just look at the highlights and see who gets the scores. Sickened.

    Canty missed alot of game time = GAA Personality and Aiden Walsh who had a great final was subbed off in a least 3 cork games. The world is mad:eek:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,528 ✭✭✭dcr22B


    Alan Quirke deserved goalie position

    McVeigh pulled off more important saves than Quirke during the year and I would say that is what swung the vote in his favour.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 723 ✭✭✭Ian_K


    1 Brendan McVeigh Down OK, Quirke is unlucky
    2 Peter Kelly Kildare McMahon for me
    3 Michael Shields Cork Definitely
    4 Charlie Harrison Sligo Ya OK, no outstanding candidate
    5 Paidi Kiissane Cork Ya maybe, again no-one outstanding
    6 Graham Canty Cork Kevin McKernan totally robbed here!
    7 Philip Jordan Tyrone Noel Leary very unlucky - poor year for Tyrone
    8 Paddy Keenan Louth McCauley deserved recognition tbh
    9 Aidan Walsh Cork Ya - laughed at all year but proved ye all wrong
    10 Daniel Hughes Down Absolutely
    11 Martin Clarke Down Of Course
    12 Johnny Doyle Kildare Paddy Kelly out here for me
    13 Colm Cooper Kerry Crazy choice - Goulding every day of the week
    14. Bernard Brogan Dublin Agree 100%
    15. Benny Coulter Down Johnny Doyle here


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,659 ✭✭✭unknown13


    About Mc Veigh, he did play very well against Kerry and he saved loads in that match against a very good forward line. I think he deserves it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,460 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    dcr22B wrote: »
    McVeigh pulled off more important saves than Quirke during the year and I would say that is what swung the vote in his favour.


    Be fair Mcveigh is fine keeper but there is much more to being keeper then saving.

    Quirke kickouts were fantatstic all year, just look at kickout when Down got last point in Final when they were going for equaliser in last muinute landed ball on plate to Nic Murphy under pressure.

    Again they are worse choices then that one though, about 6 players should not be in that selection.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,460 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    Cooper over Goulding.

    What a joke.

    All Stars are just joke these days.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,659 ✭✭✭unknown13


    Cooper over Goulding.

    What a joke.

    All Stars are just joke these days.

    I knew there was someone out of Cork missing. Goulding deserves his spot.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,119 ✭✭✭✭event


    unknown13 wrote: »
    I am starting feel that mc cauley didn't get his place because of a sympathy vote to Louth. Mc Cauley was absolutely outstanding for Dublin this year. He never had a bad game.
    unknown13 wrote: »
    Wasn't Louth's midfield given an absolute massacre by Meath in the First half of the Leinster final. How on earth can the GAA say a Louth midfielder deserve an All Star.

    keenan was outstanding all year

    if playing for a bigger county, there wouldnt even have been a debate


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,397 ✭✭✭yahoo_moe


    McAuley had a great year but for me (and I'm a Dub) he only found his feet from about the Armagh match. So whoever said "in every game" is wrong, I'd say. I was hopeful but had a nasty feeling he might get squeezed.

    I don't think it's fair to count Aidan Walsh's substitutions against him either, as the Cork management were getting stick for that as I recall?

    McKernan is the most hard done by for me. Really really poor decision there.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,186 ✭✭✭Kippure


    Donal shine should be an ALL Star in my veiw.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,983 ✭✭✭mystic86


    anyone know why they announced them today? Didn't they usually announce the hurling one a few days before the ceremony night in November and the football one wasn't revealed until the night of the ceremony, and up to that they just released a list of nominees...why is it different this year??


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,256 ✭✭✭LeoB


    1 Brendan McVeigh Down Quirke and Cluxton are better.
    2 Peter Kelly Kildare
    3 Michael Shields
    4 Charlie Harrison Sligo
    5 Paidi Kiissane
    6 Kevin McKernan
    7 Graham Canty
    8 Paddy Keenan Louth
    9 Michael D McAuley
    10 James Kavenagh
    11 Johnny Doyle 2nd in player of the year
    12 Paddy Kelly or Kerrigan if Cork gave him more ball
    13 Daniel Goulding
    14.Bernard Brogan Dublin Player of the year
    15 Donnacha O'Connor

    These All-Stars are becoming more of a joke every year, what is the answer to picking the best team?
    While Canty was injured for a few spells there is no doubting his influence on the team, maybe Jordan just pipped him. Jordan in fairness was probable Tyrones best performer with Joe McMahon
    In Fairness Paddy Keenan is very deserving of his award. If he was with a bigger county he would be automatic choice.
    Johnny Doyle proved on more than one occasion what a wonderful player he is whether playing in FF line or HF line or like in he Semi-Final when he came to win vital ball around midfield. Kavenagh was also outstanding and gave top class display and got some vital scores. Donnacha O'Connor in the final was majestic. In my opinion his secondhalf performance was as good as anything we have seen this year.

    Cooper and Coulter are obviously friends of the judges. Both have had much better years


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,983 ✭✭✭mystic86


    cooper has had better years, but he was great this year too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,096 ✭✭✭An Citeog


    LeoB wrote: »
    1 Brendan McVeigh Down Quirke and Cluxton are better.
    2 Peter Kelly Kildare
    3 Michael Shields
    4 Charlie Harrison Sligo
    5 Paidi Kiissane
    6 Kevin McKernan
    7 Graham Canty
    8 Paddy Keenan Louth
    9 Michael D McAuley
    10 James Kavenagh
    11 Johnny Doyle 2nd in player of the year
    12 Paddy Kelly or Kerrigan if Cork gave him more ball
    13 Daniel Goulding
    14.Bernard Brogan Dublin Player of the year
    15 Donnacha O'Connor

    These All-Stars are becoming more of a joke every year, what is the answer to picking the best team?
    While Canty was injured for a few spells there is no doubting his influence on the team, maybe Jordan just pipped him. Jordan in fairness was probable Tyrones best performer with Joe McMahon
    In Fairness Paddy Keenan is very deserving of his award. If he was with a bigger county he would be automatic choice.
    Johnny Doyle proved on more than one occasion what a wonderful player he is whether playing in FF line or HF line or like in he Semi-Final when he came to win vital ball around midfield. Kavenagh was also outstanding and gave top class display and got some vital scores. Donnacha O'Connor in the final was majestic. In my opinion his secondhalf performance was as good as anything we have seen this year.

    Cooper and Coulter are obviously friends of the judges. Both have had much better years

    No Marty Clarke?:eek: It's between himself and Brogan for footballer of the year imo and there's not much in it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,139 ✭✭✭Always number 1


    Baffling that Clarke didn't get the All Star and that him and Doyle didn't even make the shortlist for Player of the Year.

    POTY is between Shields, Brogan and Danny Hughes - Brogan deserves it but Shields will probably get it.

    Surely at this stage, they should have some sort of points system for players - number of matches played, quality of opposition, points/goals scored, blocks/keeping your opponent scoreless etc;

    If they are not going to do it right, they shouldn't do it at all.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,465 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hammer Archer


    LeoB wrote: »
    1 Brendan McVeigh Down Quirke and Cluxton are better.
    2 Peter Kelly Kildare
    3 Michael Shields
    4 Charlie Harrison Sligo
    5 Paidi Kiissane
    6 Kevin McKernan
    7 Graham Canty
    8 Paddy Keenan Louth
    9 Michael D McAuley
    10 James Kavenagh
    11 Johnny Doyle 2nd in player of the year
    12 Paddy Kelly or Kerrigan if Cork gave him more ball
    13 Daniel Goulding
    14.Bernard Brogan Dublin Player of the year
    15 Donnacha O'Connor

    These All-Stars are becoming more of a joke every year, what is the answer to picking the best team?
    While Canty was injured for a few spells there is no doubting his influence on the team, maybe Jordan just pipped him. Jordan in fairness was probable Tyrones best performer with Joe McMahon
    In Fairness Paddy Keenan is very deserving of his award. If he was with a bigger county he would be automatic choice.
    Johnny Doyle proved on more than one occasion what a wonderful player he is whether playing in FF line or HF line or like in he Semi-Final when he came to win vital ball around midfield. Kavenagh was also outstanding and gave top class display and got some vital scores. Donnacha O'Connor in the final was majestic. In my opinion his secondhalf performance was as good as anything we have seen this year.

    Cooper and Coulter are obviously friends of the judges. Both have had much better years
    Ah come on where's Marty Clarke?
    As usual there's a few joke inclusions this year. Personally I feel Keenan deserves an All Star. I also feel that Graham Reilly is a little unlucky not to be there. He could have a shot at young player of the season.

    Edit: YPOTY will probably go to Clarke though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,311 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    I think most of them are arguable, though no Cork forward is strange, though to balance that Canty didn't deserve one this season, McKernan was a cert for me.

    Didn't know Coulter didn't have an All Star, so that explains that one.

    Jordan missed out in 08 I think and has been very consistent for Tyrone over the last few seasons. Token Ulster Champions selection and Harrison was to give Connacht one, maybe explains Cooper too, giving the Munster Champions one. Meath probably suffer because of Louth, Kildare and Dublin. Provincial politics always plays a part.

    Overall, I'd say the numbers aren't too far out.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,311 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    Edit: YPOTY will probably go to Clarke though.

    He is 22 I think, is it not for U-21's. He seems younger with him being away.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,397 ✭✭✭yahoo_moe


    mystic86 wrote: »
    Didn't they usually announce the hurling one a few days before the ceremony night in November and the football one wasn't revealed until the night of the ceremony
    They switch each year I seem to remember - so last year, the hurling was announced in advance and they kept the football for the night itself. This year, we've to wait for the hurling...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,001 ✭✭✭Royal Seahawk


    Keenan had a good year and is an excellent footballer but there can be no doubt that his inclusion in this year's selection is a pure sympathy vote, plain and simple.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,983 ✭✭✭mystic86


    Keenan had a good year and is an excellent footballer but there can be no doubt that his inclusion in this year's selection is a pure sympathy vote, plain and simple.

    I have a doubt on that...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 849 ✭✭✭ballyk


    What does John Galvin have to do to get an All Star? He's consistently excellent every year and yet he keeps missing out.

    If there was a transfer market in the GAA I'd say Kerry and a lot of other counties would bid serious money to get him. Hope he doesn't go through his whole career and fail to get one.

    Some of the other selections are comical.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 723 ✭✭✭Ian_K


    ballyk wrote: »
    What does John Galvin have to do to get an All Star? He's consistently excellent every year and yet he keeps missing out.

    If there was a transfer market in the GAA I'd say Kerry and a lot of other counties would bid serious money to get him. Hope he doesn't go through his whole career and fail to get one.

    Some of the other selections are comical.

    If Limerick win a provincial title* or have a good run in the qualifiers (reach the quarter finals perhalps) then Galvin will definitely get one - Louth were the story of this years championship and Keenan was rewarded as a result, that seems to be the way the all stars work

    *Technically Louth didnt win one but you know yourself


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,168 ✭✭✭Frank Spencer


    It was nice touch that they let the Chilean miners pick this years All Stars. You'd want to have been in a hole in the ground for the last few months to make some of those selections!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,256 ✭✭✭LeoB


    Paddy Keenan as an All-Star is no sympathy award. He is an outstanding talent. I had him in my original selection a few weeks back and I went for McAuley as I felt he brought a great buzz to the games with his "style" of play. Great effort in every game and his workrate would strengthen any selection

    The fact that John Galvin didnt get an award remids me of great players down the years who were overlooked. There is a good case to be made for Graham Reilly of Meath this year but J.P Rooney for one has been terrific for about 10 - 12 years for Louth, John O'Brien louth, Tommy Gill Wicklow, Tony Hannon Wicklow (last year), Spike Fagan (nominated I think) Peter McGinnity got 1, however they all play for counties who have had little or no success during their playing days.

    On Marty Clarke I just think he is over rated. Great man to hit a50 yard pass accross the field but as I stated in another thread, McKernan, King, Danny Hughes and Dan Gordon for me had better years for Down than he did. When he is given room as he was for 20 minutes against Cork he looks great but when Cork reshaped their team with Canty coming in he was nullifed.

    If Brogan does not get player of the year it discredits the whole thing even more. He was just incredible in all his games. He gave an exhibition on the skills of football all through the summer, ball winning, Catching, Kicking with both feet, scoring with both feet


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 33,973 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    That selection has some serious holes - but most people have gotten used to such ridiculous allstar teams - never ceases to amaze me how they get it wrong every year.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,983 ✭✭✭mystic86


    Do people feel its always been bad like this? Or only in recent years? Like from what year on do people feel that they've been making too many wrong selections in one year since? 2000? 2004? etc...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,460 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    Well since I can remember growing up which is about 1988 they have always thrown up surprises.

    I think if player has played lets say number 14 full forward then I dont think its right that he should get picked as say number 11 Half forward on team.

    Thats just my view


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,528 ✭✭✭dcr22B


    I'd much prefer to be on the GPA team of the year than the Allstars as there is no better kudos than receiving an award voted on by your peers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,525 ✭✭✭kilns


    1. Galvin deserves one ahead of the two midfielders, he is def ahead of McAuley

    2. For the guy who says the Martin Clarke is overratted, are you serious?? The guy is arguable the best player in the game


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,119 ✭✭✭✭event


    Keenan had a good year and is an excellent footballer but there can be no doubt that his inclusion in this year's selection is a pure sympathy vote, plain and simple.

    good one


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,778 ✭✭✭Big Pussy Bonpensiero


    How Galvin didnt get it over Keenan is baffling. If not him then why not McAuley? Both had better campaigns than Keenan. Think Walsh fully justifies his award. Was very good vs kerry yet he got the criticism on the basis of his shooting. Went on and had a very good year.
    Lots of people said Canty was missing for a lot of games - ? By my recollection he missed two halfs plus the red card and 5/10 mins against Roscommon. Arguably won the final for cork.
    McKernan should have been given one at wing back instead of Jordan.
    Doyle should have been at corner forward (instead of gooch) and Paddy Kelly most definitely should have got an award. I think one of cork's 4 standout players (with shields, canty and walsh). Only they should have gotten all-stars. Goulding had a poor campaign but a great final so people obviously think he's deserving of one. Well, he's not. Simple as.
    On a smaller point, thought Cluxton should have gotten the keeper's one but I dont think anyone could've complained against either McVeigh or Quirke.
    For POTY I just dont know why Clarke wasnt nominated. Brogan should definitely get it tho. Didnt see the shortlist for YPOTY but I would've thought shields would win that. Dont think he can now he's nominated for poty (?) so i'd give it to either Walsh or Shine. Think Clarke is too old at 23?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 785 ✭✭✭Shane10


    how cooper got an all-star this year is beyond me, unbelievable. also anyone who thinks marty clarke is over-rated needs help in a big way. id pay to watch him live anyday and have done, i wasnt disappointed. possibly cluxton as keeper, yes he let in 5 goals v meath but contributed a good few points for dub this year and apart from that game had a really good year.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 346 ✭✭hurling_lad


    Ian_K wrote: »
    If Limerick win a provincial title* or have a good run in the qualifiers (reach the quarter finals perhalps) then Galvin will definitely get one - Louth were the story of this years championship and Keenan was rewarded as a result, that seems to be the way the all stars work

    *Technically Louth didnt win one but you know yourself

    Hold on a second - Limerick were barely beaten by last year's champions and recovered well enough from that disappointment to then bring this year's champions to extra time - they might not be 'the story of this year's championship' but I know who my money would be on if they ever meet Louth.

    I think Aidan Walsh had to get an all-star due to being the engine-room of the championship's most effective midfield (he had a great league final as well), but I doubt there was more than a hair's breadth between Keenan and Galvin for the other spot and I think you are well out of line talking down Limerick.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 813 ✭✭✭largepants


    Animal Bar wrote: »
    RTE Favourites in again. They shafted Patrick Kelly last year by going with Kennelly and now this year Johnny Doyle in the half forward line horse ****. Corks best player all year in every game but I guess the RTE/GAA Pundits just look at the highlights and see who gets the scores. Sickened.

    Canty missed alot of game time = GAA Personality and Aiden Walsh who had a great final was subbed off in a least 3 cork games. The world is mad:eek:

    So Johnny Doyle doesn't derserve an All-Star? He has been top scorer in the championship and he still manages to put in an awful amount of work on the field. As much as Kelly.You should win a special merit award for a ridicilous comment like that.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,648 ✭✭✭AGC


    Think this years All Star team just shows that this whole thing is a farce.

    Canty, Kissane, Keenan, Cooper and Coulter. They stood out in no games for me.

    People that think Keenan's inclusion doesn't have a major bearing on what happened in the Meath game need their heads checked. Over the course of the year both Galvin and MDMA had far better championships. He was hammered by MDMA in the Dublin game and was very poor at times against Meath.

    Donie Shine and Graham Reilly from Meath are also very unlucky not to be included.

    Brogan is a shoe in for footballer of the year and Walsh will get young player of the year.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,648 ✭✭✭AGC


    largepants wrote: »
    So Johnny Doyle doesn't derserve an All-Star? He has been top scorer in the championship and he still manages to put in an awful amount of work on the field. As much as Kelly.You should win a special merit award for a ridicilous comment like that.

    Id say like most he wants Doyle in the FF line and not in the HF line.

    Doyle deserves a place in the FF line ahead of both Coulter and Cooper


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20 Animal Bar


    AGC wrote: »
    Id say like most he wants Doyle in the FF line and not in the HF line.

    Doyle deserves a place in the FF line ahead of both Coulter and Cooper

    Exactly my point. I think Doyle is a class act and a great leader for Kildare and should have been picked in the inside line. If a player isn't good enough to play in his best position then he shouldn't be picked somewhere else to accomadate him.

    It appears that they wanted as many big names as possible. Lets hope the GPA Awards put things right.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 813 ✭✭✭largepants


    Fair enough thats a fair point. For what its worth Clarke, Hughes, Kelly Doyle and Brogan were all deserving of all stars.The sixth place is very diffcult. Kelly, Cooper, Goulding, Shine, Reilly, Kavanagh, Coulter and Penrose were all on a par for me. If I had to choose I'd nearly go for Penrose.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 168 ✭✭whocares86


    AGC wrote: »
    Think this years All Star team just shows that this whole thing is a farce.

    Canty, Kissane, Keenan, Cooper and Coulter. They stood out in no games for me.

    .

    MOTM against Kerry down in Killarney. Kicked 3 points from play from half back . Not bad


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,119 ✭✭✭✭event


    AGC wrote: »
    Think this years All Star team just shows that this whole thing is a farce.

    Canty, Kissane, Keenan, Cooper and Coulter. They stood out in no games for me.

    People that think Keenan's inclusion doesn't have a major bearing on what happened in the Meath game need their heads checked. Over the course of the year both Galvin and MDMA had far better championships. He was hammered by MDMA in the Dublin game and was very poor at times against Meath.

    Donie Shine and Graham Reilly from Meath are also very unlucky not to be included.

    Brogan is a shoe in for footballer of the year and Walsh will get young player of the year.

    how many games did you see him play?

    he may have been poor at times vs meath but he was excellent at other times in the same game. he wasnt great at the start of the game, but he grew into it. he was let down by white that day, he was basically on his own sure, same against Dublin. but he was quality in both of them. people also forget the block which let to joe sheridan gettin the goal chance, it was an incredible save/block which a lot of others wouldnt even have attempted.

    its easy for most of ye to say he is in cos of the sympathy vote, it was anything but. before the meath game most of us reckoned he would be nominated for an all star for his performances before that alone, such was his impact


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