FG official resignsover Kenny's leadership

rodento

What will it take to see the Enda Kenny:eek:

Not only is he doing his party a great disservice, he is also doing the county one

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/fg-official-resigns-in-protest-over-kennys-leadership-2374790.html

deise go deo

rodento wrote: »

What will it take to see the Enda Kenny:eek:

Not only is he doing his party a great disservice, he is also doing the county one

What is it that is Wrong with Enda? What would make him a bad Taoiseach?
A personal lack of charisma on camera dose not mean he would be bad for the job, He has shown that he can handle a crisis and has a good track record in Elections.
I dont understand the fixation with his lack of charisma. We had the cute hoers before, it dident go very well.

southsiderosie

OP, Who exactly are they going to replace Kenny with? Bruton didn't exactly cover himself in glory during the last "revolt".

And how does his staying in power do the country a disservice?

Liam Byrne

rodento wrote: »

What will it take to see the Enda Kenny:eek:

Why, are there a few other Enda Kennys around ?

rodento wrote: »

Not only is he doing his party a great disservice, he is also doing the county one

Which county ? Mayo ?

Einhard

That FG , and Kenny in particular, languish in the polls is typical of the Irish electorate, and shows that we have learned absolutely nothing over the past few years. Instead of looking at the various policy proposals put forward by the parties, and making our decisions accordingly, we've once again show ourselves to care more about style than substance, personalities than proposals. And economic malaise will be a permanent part of life in this country until the electorate as a whole grows up a bit, and approaches politics in a more mature manner.

Lenny Lovett

Einhard wrote: »

That FG , and Kenny in particular, languish in the polls is typical of the Irish electorate, and shows that we have learned absolutely nothing over the past few years. Instead of looking at the various policy proposals put forward by the parties, and making our decisions accordingly, we've once again show ourselves to care more about style than substance, personalities than proposals. And economic malaise will be a permanent part of life in this country until the electorate as a whole grows up a bit, and approaches politics in a more mature manner.

Yes, but the problem is that the other parties haven't put up any policies have they?

Einhard

Lenny Lovett wrote: »

Yes, but the problem is that the other parties haven't put up any policies have they?

FG have produced a number of policy proposals. Some of them quite far reaching. Their health proposals for example are very interesting indeed. Labour have produced nothing as far as I can see. And yet Labour are riding the crest of the wave, FG are stuck in the trough. And the reason is Irish people tend to care less about how they're governed, and more about who's doing the governing. And as such, we deserve what we get.

dixiefly

rodento wrote: »

What will it take to see the Enda Kenny:eek:

Not only is he doing his party a great disservice, he is also doing the county one

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/fg-official-resigns-in-protest-over-kennys-leadership-2374790.html

Do you not have any more to be doing with your time than starting bullsh*t threads? I notice at least one other of your incarnations has been closed.

In my opinion the actions of one nondescript local official doesnt effect Kenny's position either for the better or worse.

Lenny Lovett

The problem with FG, though, is that Enda Kenny seems disinterested. He should have been tearing into the Government over the past year, he should have been on Radio and TV attacking them morning noon and night. No Irish opposition Leader has ever had as much ammunition to fire at the Government as he has this past few years and we've hardly seen him on TV five or six times in the past six months. He's as lethargic as Cowan.

Bottle_of_Smoke

deise go deo wrote: »

What is it that is Wrong with Enda?

The public don't like him

What would make him a bad Taoiseach?

you need people to vote for you to be the taoiseach.

Ideologically I agree with you but reality's an awful c*nt

deise go deo

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

The public don't like him

The public don't like politicians in general.
Not voting for someone because other people dont like them is rubbish, There is nothing wrong with Enda that I can see, I dont see anything to suggest that he would make a bad Taoiseach. Certainly me would make a better leader of this country than some of his rivals.

you need people to vote for you to be the taoiseach.

Ideologically I agree with you but reality's an awful c*nt

Can I ask would you not vote for someone because they lack charisma?

southsiderosie

deise go deo wrote: »

The public don't like politicians in general.

No, they like Eamon Gilmore pretty well. They aren't crazy about his party though.

deise go deo wrote: »

Not voting for someone because other people dont like them is rubbish, There is nothing wrong with Enda that I can see, I dont see anything to suggest that he would make a bad Taoiseach. Certainly me would make a better leader of this country than some of his rivals.

The current government should be a gift wrapped in a big red ribbon to the opposition, and yet Kenny and FG have not been able to take advantage of it for whatever reason. I think part of the problem is that FG spent the better part of the last decade trying to be FF-lite, and then once FF became unpopular, they didn't have anything to run on anymore.

I think Kenny has put forward some interesting policy proposals, especially as regards to Irish political institutions. But he couldn't even get his own party to back him up on these, so how can he convince the rest of the country? It is obvious that the FG membership has little faith in Kenny, which is food for thought for the rest of us: if the true believers don't believe, why should we?

Denerick

Einhard wrote: »

That FG , and Kenny in particular, languish in the polls is typical of the Irish electorate, and shows that we have learned absolutely nothing over the past few years. Instead of looking at the various policy proposals put forward by the parties, and making our decisions accordingly, we've once again show ourselves to care more about style than substance, personalities than proposals. And economic malaise will be a permanent part of life in this country until the electorate as a whole grows up a bit, and approaches politics in a more mature manner.

With the exception of Bertie, we haven't had a charismatic leader since Michael Collins. I don't think the Irish are particularly 'immature' when it comes to choosing our leaders. My personal opinion is that Enda Kenny has neither the intellectual nor the personal abilities to lead this country the way it should be. Not that we have a rich selection.

Sand

Einhard wrote: »

That FG , and Kenny in particular, languish in the polls is typical of the Irish electorate, and shows that we have learned absolutely nothing over the past few years. Instead of looking at the various policy proposals put forward by the parties, and making our decisions accordingly, we've once again show ourselves to care more about style than substance, personalities than proposals. And economic malaise will be a permanent part of life in this country until the electorate as a whole grows up a bit, and approaches politics in a more mature manner.

Ive got to say I think the reverse is true. I think that FG languish in the polls is typical of Irish politicians.

I think Fintan O'Toole noted it in the aftermath of the George Lee debacle...Fine Gael never actually understood why George Lee was popular in the first place. They never got it.

The Irish people wanted a change in the way things were done. They wanted a change in politics. They wanted a change. George Lee was change. He was a guy who decided to enter politics, not as a career, not as a family inheritance, but with the intention to try do some good for his country. The Irish people responded to that.

Fine Gael never got that. They assumed the Irish people wanted a change of government. They assumed George Lee was just some bucko who ought to serve his time taking the minutes at the meetings and getting the coffee. Maybe after about 10 years, hed be asked if he had an opinion.

Its very clear from the polls that the Irish people simply arent motivated to vote for a new party in power. As so many have pointed out, an election wont change the aritmethic of the situation we are in. If Fine Gael want to get people motivated, they need to show that they arent just Fine Fail Lite. They need to capture the mood that the present systems have failed us and we need a second Republic (for want of a better description).

Fine Gael were the party that bedded down the Irish state at its birth, they need to be the party that brings in Ireland 2.0. The Irish people are increasingly distant and embittered by the blatant self interest of the coterie at the centre of the Irish state.

So far at least, Enda Kenny has simply assumed that his day has come. He and Fine Gael have completely misinterpreted the mood of the Irish people - theyre still campaigning as being a safe pair of hands when the Irish people want to sweep the decks of a political system that is widely held in contempt.

Bottle_of_Smoke

deise go deo wrote: »

The public don't like politicians in general.
Not voting for someone because other people dont like them is rubbish, There is nothing wrong with Enda that I can see, I dont see anything to suggest that he would make a bad Taoiseach. Certainly me would make a better leader of this country than some of his rivals.

I said that ideologically I agree with you

Can I ask would you not vote for someone because they lack charisma?

I would. Joe public won't.

Deerick wrote:

With the exception of Bertie, we haven't had a charismatic leader since Michael Collins.

Haughey? & bertie did three terms

Liam Byrne

Denerick wrote: »

With the exception of Bertie......

I still can't believe that people view/viewed this slimeball as "charismatic".

Bottle_of_Smoke

Liam Byrne wrote: »

I still can't believe that people view/viewed this slimeball as "charismatic".

How do you define charismatic? I mean I would call Bertie as well as Idi Amin charasmatic. Doesn't mean we like either of them.

Liam Byrne

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

How do you define charismatic? I mean I would call Bertie as well as Idi Amin charasmatic. Doesn't mean we like either of them.

Charisma - to me - includes being credible and convincing.

A charismatic person can still be a slimeball, btw; as in some smooth-talking con-man who lies to get a woman or to extort cash.

So it's not just that aspect of Ahern that stops me viewing him as "charismatic"; I could still raise an eyebrow or have my doubts and still say "jeez, smooth operator - he's convincing".

I just have never found Ahern remotely credible or convincing.

jimmycrackcorm

Liam Byrne wrote: »

I still can't believe that people view/viewed this slimeball as "charismatic".

His charisma only extended to the boundaries of Drumcondra.

On a sideline, I watched Bruton on VB tonight and was very impressed with him. The country needs a leader who can come across as credible and forward thinking. Kenny has had enough years to convince to public he is that and hasn't. The public also yearn for new leadership instead of reminders of the last ten years.

dlofnep

Einhard wrote: »

FG have produced a number of policy proposals.

So have all other parties.

Einhard wrote: »

Their health proposals for example are very interesting indeed.

What's interesting about them? I read their faircare document, and I they have not explained how they plan to actually implement it. They use buzz-words like "Dutch Healthcare System" - but they haven't discussed the fact that the Dutch healthcare infrastructure was largely built on private sector institutions. This is not the case in Ireland, where the majority of our healthcare is public sector.

They can use all the buzzwords they like - But they need to explain to use how they will actually implement it.

the groutch

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

On a sideline, I watched Bruton on VB tonight and was very impressed with him.

Watched that too, and while I agreed with alot of what he had to say, there was still too much of a sense of cronie protection in their policies, which has people find too many similarities with FF, and seeing them as being the same old f***ers, just with a different name. People want radical change and don't see FG as the ones to do it.
That's more why they haven't picked up at all in the opinion polls imo, rather than Kenny's leadership skills.

John Lennon Peace Love and FF

rodento wrote: »

What will it take to see the Enda Kenny:eek:

Not only is he doing his party a great disservice, he is also doing the county one

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/fg-official-resigns-in-protest-over-kennys-leadership-2374790.html

Hey man thats crazy, you gotta go with your heart and vote FF. Do not trust FG man.

the groutch

John Lennon Peace Love and FF wrote: »

Hey man thats crazy, you gotta go with your heart and vote FF. Do not trust FG man.

johngalway

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

The public don't like him



you need people to vote for you to be the taoiseach.

Ideologically I agree with you but reality's an awful c*nt

Unless you vote in Mayo, that's not much of an issue. We don't have a system like the USA where you would be voting for Enda. You vote for candidates in your constituency. They vote for Taoiseach.

Yes, I know I'm stating the obvious.

But, I agree he's got good election record and I don't buy into the fake sham charisma like Bertie flogged a gullible public.

Even Joe Higgins would have made a good Taoiseach had he more money than the Dept of Finance could count like most years Bertie was in power.