Anyone know the legality of Magic Mushroom spores?

gbkgbk

Hey guys,

I know Magic Mushrooms are banned in Ireland, but I heard that the spores are legal to buy (as long as not used to grow). Can anyone tell me if this is true? Thanks for any help.

Brendog

Yes it is true.

Good luck with your "gardening"

strobe

gbkgbk wrote: »

Hey guys,

I know Magic Mushrooms are banned in Ireland, but I heard that the spores are legal to buy (as long as not used to grow). Can anyone tell me if this is true? Thanks for any help.

It's true. But the second they begin to grow they are illegal.

smash

Maybe I should phone the Gardai to inform them of all the illegal mushrooms that were gathering together and loitering in the Wicklow mountains on Saturday.

Bi6N

Where could one obtain these "legal" spores? Just online?

strobe

Bi6N wrote: »

Where could one obtain these "legal" spores? Just online?

Online, or in cow sh1t. The latter is cheaper obviously but the former means you don't have to pick up cow sh1t.........

Cavehill Red

Legal for 'research purposes', the same loophole that permitted many headshop drugs at one time.
Cultivation is illegal without a license. I know that some places like TCD and the Botanic Gardens have on certain occasions obtained such licenses to cultivate other things, like poppies, but I'm not aware of anyone ever receiving a license for psychoactive mushrooms, and I certainly doubt one would be given to an individual rather than an institution.

thebigbiffo

same messed up legality that makes cannabis seeds legal as long as you dont plant them very irish altogether

AnonoBoy

What does this government have against air fresheners? :mad:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNAem__AfDg

Bi6N

strobe wrote: »

Online, or in cow sh1t. The latter is cheaper obviously but the former means you don't have to pick up cow sh1t.........

ha ha I hear you need to be up at the crack of dawn, working a full time job I can't seem to find any time for picking

Pace2008

Psilocybin (the active ingredient in mushrooms) and its esters are illegal in Ireland. As the spores do not contain the drug they are legal to possess.

curlzy

They're legal to own but illegal to grow.

With regards picking: You do NOT need to be there at the crack of dawn, I've never managed to get there before 11am and I've never left disappointed. Of course that depends on where you go, but I won't be sharing my picking location:p.

My name is URL

lol @ the illegality of something which grows in abundance in my garden. Should I call the cops to arrest mother nature?

Bottle_of_Smoke

thebigbiffo wrote: »

same messed up legality that makes cannabis seeds legal as long as you dont plant them very irish altogether

It actually makes sense there's no THC in the seeds, which are a good source of vitamins and are used in some ethnic food.

Also there's no point in criminalising them they'd be impossible to detect and simple to import.

seaniedearg

a and e see magic mushroom triers often, very very ill, miserable and definitely not high, or tripping, out of it in every wrong way, am not making this up baby

Pace2008

seaniedearg wrote: »

a and e see magic mushroom triers often, very very ill, miserable and definitely not high, or tripping, out of it in every wrong way, am not making this up baby

Magic mushrooms are not physically harmful but toxic fungi abound, some of which can kill you. Luckily, the type of shrooms that are predominant in Ireland, liberty caps, are fairly distinctive, but you’d still want to be damn sure you’ve got the right ones.

Wertz

seaniedearg wrote: »

a and e see magic mushroom triers often, very very ill, miserable and definitely not high, or tripping, out of it in every wrong way, am not making this up baby

Arguably the ban on the sale of certified psilocybin mushrooms was a dangerous move when it's meant that a lot of people are out picking wild without a real clue about what they're looking for and what they shouldn't even dream of taking.
All it takes is getting the ID wrong or taking a sprouting amanita and you're going to be pretty damn sorry. Ther's a thread on here asking abotu how people would like to die...I know alkaloid poisoning is waaay down my list of ways I'd like to bow out...

WeeBushy

seaniedearg wrote: »

a and e see magic mushroom triers often, very very ill, miserable and definitely not high, or tripping, out of it in every wrong way, am not making this up baby

Yep and they see far more cases of alcohol abuse. Deal with that first, then come back to us.

Bi6N

curlzy wrote: »

They're legal to own but illegal to grow.

With regards picking: You do NOT need to be there at the crack of dawn, I've never managed to get there before 11am and I've never left disappointed. Of course that depends on where you go, but I won't be sharing my picking location:p.

So I couldn't bother you for a googlemap location could I, ol buddy ol pal

Diageio_Man

seaniedearg wrote: »

a and e see magic mushroom triers often, very very ill, miserable and definitely not high, or tripping, out of it in every wrong way, am not making this up baby

Are you sure your not on a few now.

Mr Benevolent

Cannabis seeds are legal? I THCee, I thcee.

AFAIK it's legal to grow them, as they grow wild, but illegal to dry them out and sell them etc.

darkmaster2

Deleted User wrote: »

AFAIK it's legal to grow them, as they grow wild, but illegal to dry them out and sell them etc.

Spores are legal,

Harney made it illegal to cultivate them back in 2004(?). It had been illegal to dry them out or process them for years.

Funnily enough, nature doesn't recognise man's laws, and the fields of Ireland will continue to provide us with potent hallucinogens for many years to come.

Anyone else have John Travolta's voice in their head saying:

'It's legal to buy it, it's legal to own it, and if you're the proprietor of a Magic Mushroom, it's legal to sell it...'

in their head?

...anyone?

squeakyduck

bogs, they grow so plentifully in bogs! My dad's bog is always full of them

Executive Steve

If you have to ask on AH where to find them you probably shouldn't be taking them.

scientific1982

steve06 wrote: »

Maybe I should phone the Gardai to inform them of all the illegal mushrooms that were gathering together and loitering in the Wicklow mountains on Saturday.

No. It might be wiser if you collect them and post them up to me. I'll dispose of them properly.

scientific1982

Cavehill Red wrote: »

Legal for 'research purposes', the same loophole that permitted many headshop drugs at one time.
Cultivation is illegal without a license. I know that some places like TCD and the Botanic Gardens have on certain occasions obtained such licenses to cultivate other things, like poppies, but I'm not aware of anyone ever receiving a license for psychoactive mushrooms, and I certainly doubt one would be given to an individual rather than an institution.

Poppies aint illlegal. No license needed.

Cavehill Red

scientific1982 wrote: »

Poppies aint illlegal. No license needed.

Perhaps I wasn't clear. I mean papaver somniferum, which is definitely illegal to cultivate (despite the seeds being readily available in garden centres.)
You DO need a licence to grow them (same legislation as covers cannabis incidentally) but thanks to Gardai not raiding granny's flower bed, I'm not aware of anyone ever being convicted of it.
But yes, growing opium poppies is definitely illegal (Misuse of Drugs Act 1977.)

scientific1982

Cavehill Red wrote: »

Perhaps I wasn't clear. I mean papaver somniferum, which is definitely illegal to cultivate (despite the seeds being readily available in garden centres.)
You DO need a licence to grow them (same legislation as covers cannabis incidentally) but thanks to Gardai not raiding granny's flower bed, I'm not aware of anyone ever being convicted of it.
But yes, growing opium poppies is definitely illegal (Misuse of Drugs Act 1977.)

You learn something new everyday. Completely legal to grow them in the UK though.

Cavehill Red

scientific1982 wrote: »

You learn something new everyday. Completely legal to grow them in the UK though.

Yup. But not to extract the opium from them, obviously. You need a licence for that.

citizen_p

i used to remeber seeing loads of cars parked up my lane near a forest, about 20 ppl walking back and forward on my uncles land and as soon as a car would go by they would run and hide in the forest.

very funny indeed, we used to drive up for a laugh.
They even grow in my front garden and one day i looked out my window at 7 am and there were 3 lads wandering around my lawn picking them.



(before anyone pms me no i wont pick them, they'll be eating by my lawnmower as per usual)

scientific1982

Mousey- wrote: »

i used to remeber seeing loads of cars parked up my lane near a forest, about 20 ppl walking back and forward on my uncles land and as soon as a car would go by they would run and hide in the forest.

very funny indeed, we used to drive up for a laugh.
They even grow in my front garden and one day i looked out my window at 7 am and there were 3 lads wandering around my lawn picking them.



(before anyone pms me no i wont pick them, they'll be eating by my lawnmower as per usual)

"they'll be eating by my lawnmower as per usual". When I start my own religion that will be a mortal sin.

generalmiaow

I hate necroing threads, but this one isn't too old and I believe contains some incorrect information. Opium poppies have been legal to grow since 2006 unless for the purpose of producing opium, as pointed out to me by someone in Legal Discussion.

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2006/en/act/pub/0003/print.html

8.— Section 17 of the Misuse of Drugs Act 1977 (as amended by section 11 (1) of the Misuse of Drugs Act 1984 ) is amended—

(a) in subsection (1)—

(i) by inserting “for the production of opium” after “poppy”, and

(ii) by substituting “under section 14(1)” for “by the Minister”,

and

(b) in subsection (2), by inserting “for the production of opium” after “poppy”.

The section this amends contains for example (it's an amendment that is already amended)

“(1) A person shall not cultivate opium poppy, any plant of the genus Cannabis or any plant of the genus Erythroxylon except under and in accordance with a licence issued in that behalf by the Minister.

Notes:

It's is an offence to cultivate opium poppies for the purpose of producing opium, not cultivating them per se. This allows discretion in the case of a load of opium poppies being grown in your granny's garden. Lots of people are growing opium poppies whether they know it or not - however it should be noted that in Ireland, opium poppies won't produce any alkaloids in great quantities due to our ****ty climate. Funny enough, several poppies that aren't papaver somniferum do produce alkaloids, but the law doesn't understand how genetics work.

Thus you would need to be growing a lot of them, or indoors, in which case the cops would assume you were growing them for opium. Similarly, the second mushroom SI of 2006 that I can't be bothered looking up amends the bit about mushrooms with "except where growing uncultivated", perhaps after it was pointed out to Mary Harney that they were growing in her garden.

The spores of magic mushrooms could well be on every non-sterile surface you can examine in this country, as they are airborne and microscopic. They just don't compete well with bacteria and the billions of other things present in the air.

Outlawing them would be completely impossible, though I wouldn't put it past them, as several substances in the misuse of drugs act are present naturally in your brain (I won't mention which to comply with boards rules and prevent your brain from being confiscated), and the psychoactive substances act would make the import and sale of almost every species of sage (not just divinorum, with minimal research, but officianalis, splendens, etc) being reckless as to whether someone will eat it unless it's a food in compliance with the various acts that regulate food.

Needless to say if you are planning on doing something you're not sure is legal, don't post it on a public message board.

weiland79

I had a new lawn laid down in my back garden 2 years ago. The chap said the grass came from a golf course in the dublin mountains. I now have an abundance of mushrooms growing every September out the back.

Unfortunately i consider myself at 34 years of age to have far to much emotional baggage and would be far to afraid of going through a bad trip to bother with them anymore.:(

tylercheribini

can anyone recommend where to buy the spores?ta