People Who Drop Bricks or Stones onto Trains

mk6705

Spotted this the last day waiting in Mallow:

So someone along the line from Tralee to Mallow to Cork has been dropping bricks on trains...This s**t makes me sick. Why the hell do people do this? Do they even think about what they're doing? :eek:

foggy_lad

ah they come from broken homes have a hard life dont have all the toys little jonny down the road has because their parents are scumbags/carreer criminals etc etc etc these people have every excuse under the sun and have the full backing and support of civil liberties wasters who think they should be allowed do what they want, and rarely get jail after causing hundreds of thousands worth of damage.

name all these scumbags no matter how young they are and let them be judged by society and see how many shops they and their families get service in until they change their ways!

those that continously take take take from society should recieve NOTHING from the same society they abuse!

Oliver1985

Ireland is over run with scum bags , just reading the sunday papers now and that poor Polish lad who lost his life that week at the hands of some scum bags who will never pay for what they did!!
Its a horrible place Ireland at times!!
I remember 20 years back been on a train going past rush and a brick coming in and missing a pregnant woman by inchs, What kick these scum get out of it ill never know :mad:

ardmacha

I suppose it would be regarded as excessive to put 50 guys from the Army Ranger wing in the train with bullwhips and having the pile out at any bridge where this goes on?

Judgement Day

ardmacha wrote: »

I suppose it would be regarded as excessive to put 50 guys from the Army Ranger wing in the train with bullwhips and having the pile out at any bridge where this goes on?

Very good but it's a serious issue which needs a serious response. A dedicated Transport Police service is long overdue here - both on the railways and motorways - and I don't mean repainting a couple of Garda squad cars in Transport Police livery. Will anything be done - hell no, this is Ireland our 'leaders' can talk the talk but not walk the walk. :mad:

http://www.btp.police.uk/passengers/issues/route_crime.aspx

See this 1999 news report on British 'Q' trains:

`Q' train police to target rail vandals
BY PHILIP THORNTON TRANSPORT CORRESPONDENT
Sunday, 14 March 1999

HELICOPTERS and "dummy" commuter trains carrying police and a small army of plain-clothes officers are to be mobilised in the biggest crackdown on railway track vandals.

The new tough approach follows an experiment by Railtrack during the half-term holidays last October. The strategy was used on lines out of London's King's Cross and was so successful that it is set to become standard procedure. The "blitz" resulted in 27 trespassers being apprehended and one arrest.

Vandalism costs Railtrack pounds 26.6m a year in repairs and nearly 11,000 hours of delays to trains. A spokesman said: "After the success of the last operation it is something we are looking to see if we can do in other parts of the country."

Railtrack hired two helicopters, from the Metropolitan and Hertfordshire police forces, at a cost of pounds 4,000, to target the line from King's Cross to Huntingdon and also lines to Hertford and Royston.

The week-long exercise, dubbed Operation Scarecrow, involved teams of Railtrack and West Anglia Great Northern Railway staff together with British Transport Police.

It also used "Q trains" - special trains carrying police officers who can jump out and tackle trespassers and vandals located by the helicopter and ground patrols. Each ground patroller carried a mobile phone and pager and had access to lineside telephones to call up assistance.

The teams uncovered two serious incidents. One involved a group of children firing missiles at passing trains, and another concerned a man who was seen riding a motorbike alongside the East Coast Main Line track, where trains travel at speeds of up to 140mph.

Railtrack is planning to repeat the exercise at Peterborough during the Easter half-term holiday, but will not use the helicopter because of the smaller area involved.

The strategy is one of a series of campaigns aimed at stopping the railways from being used as a playground. "It is one more step to getting the message over and one more method to combat the problem," said the spokesman.

Figures from the Railway Inspectorate show vandalism is a serious problem. There were 1,098 train accidents due to vandalism in the year to March 1998 - almost 10 times the 163 recorded in 1991-1992 - half of which involved missiles being thrown at trains.

Last winter 100 passengers had a lucky escape when a sleeper train ploughed into two stolen vans that had been abandoned on the London Euston-Inverness line.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/q-train-police-to-target-rail-vandals-1080538.html

foggy_lad

Judgement Day wrote: »

Very good but it's a serious issue which needs a serious response. A dedicated Transport Police service is long overdue here - both on the railways and motorways - and I don't mean repainting a couple of Garda squad cars in Transport Police livery. Will anything be done - hell no, this is Ireland our 'leaders' can talk the talk but not walk the walk. :mad:

http://www.btp.police.uk/passengers/issues/route_crime.aspx

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/q-train-police-to-target-rail-vandals-1080538.html

honestly ireland does not have anything like the transport levels or infrastructure that is in england or in france etc so even suggesting a dedicated transport police is utter nonsense as it should never happen,

we already have a police force that are basically powerless and any transport police would have the same or even less of the same useless powers.

what is needed is to stop calling these perpetraitors victims and start calling them Criminals and traitors and then treat them like criminals and traitors!

The Paws

If they think it is really funny to throw stones etc at us. Why do we do it the same back to them!! - just to teach them.

It had happen to me before when we were passing just before Thurles. No damages but there was small cracks on one of the windows behind me. The man who was by that window side got an awful fright because he was asleep. Scary.

Judgement Day

foggy_lad wrote: »

honestly ireland does not have anything like the transport levels or infrastructure that is in england or in france etc so even suggesting a dedicated transport police is utter nonsense as it should never happen,

we already have a police force that are basically powerless and any transport police would have the same or even less of the same useless powers.

what is needed is to stop calling these perpetraitors victims and start calling them Criminals and traitors and then treat them like criminals and traitors!

Call them what you like but exactly how do you suggest tackling the problem?

Run_to_da_hills

One of the Rosslare 22,000's has similar damage above the cab, this damage would have gone unnoticed on GM loco hauled units.

These scumbags generally operate from the same area all the time. I have seen them pelting rocks at the Limerick / Ennis train from the back of the community center at Moyross. I always sit on the oposite side of the carriage when passing.

A couple of hidden CCTV cameras placed around the areas to catch them on the act wouldn't go astray. Identify the fcukers place the video footage on Crimeline. The charges should be life endangerment and not some petty public order charge and the culprits should be given proper prison terms irrespective of age.

Transportuser09

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

The charges should be life endangerment and not some petty public order charge and the culprits should be given proper prison terms irrespective of age.

+ 1. Years ago there was an idea in the UK to treat efforts to derail a train as attempted terrorism, don't think anything ever came of it. Some may say that's too extreme but a derailed train could end up potentially killing 200 people - people should have the cop not to do this so I'm all for the book being thrown at such culprits, and ignore any "Johnny doesn't know any better" pleas.

Run_to_da_hills

Travelling to school in pre Dart days I witnessed a woman getting her head split from a rock thrown through a window of an AEC Railcar at Salthill. (Before the station was reopened) The cord was pulled immediatly and the train stopped, a number of lads hopped out and chased the fcukers who got away. Marshals and plain clothes Gardai on board would be a good idea in renouned areas and stop the train if necessary.

Zebra3

Oliver1985 wrote: »

Ireland is over run with scum bags

And run by scumbags.

foggy_lad

Judgement Day wrote: »

Call them what you like but exactly how do you suggest tackling the problem?

some countries would view stoning trains as attempted murder of the driver and act accordingly and use what they consider reasonable force to put those responsible before the courts.

can you imagine some of our scumbags approaching police in america and getting in their face screaming and spitting their venom, they would be beaten down with a baton and tazered or just shot if they continued to attact!

fight these scumbags with force because force is the only thing these people understand and just maybe they will learn a small bit about respect for themselves and other peoples property but if not at least they will know exactly what to expect if they continue their scumbag lifestyles

Victor

Can we knock off the revenge fantasies?

foggy_lad wrote: »

honestly ireland does not have anything like the transport levels or infrastructure that is in england or in france etc so even suggesting a dedicated transport police is utter nonsense as it should never happen,

It need not be a separate force, but htere does need to be dedicated officers dealing with issues on public transport. You can imagine Ashtown officers getting off at Castleknock and ignoring behaviour there, simply becuase the are now in Blanchardstown Garda stations zone?

The strategy is one of a series of campaigns aimed at stopping the railways from being used as a playground. "It is one more step to getting the message over and one more method to combat the problem," said the spokesman.

This is a part of the problem. You have young teenagers hanging around a train station / disused railway yeard as a form of entertainment. give them something better to do and the trouble will reduce. Meanwhile, someone needs to gain a sense of ownership of the area.

Praetorian

Many years ago on the way home from work in the city at approximately Kilbarrack (on northbound mainline old push n pull), I was sleeping, or attempting to sleep with my head against the window. A stone, or rock was thrown and it cracked the window right where my head was. If it had been a single pane of glass, or if the rock had been thrown a bit harder who knows it could have killed me!

Cookie_Monster

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

One of the Rosslare 22,000's has similar damage above the cab, this damage would have gone unnoticed on GM loco hauled units.

a rock would have gone straight through loco glazing if it hit it to be fair, just as on DMU glazing, if it hit the metal it would be fine though.

Run_to_da_hills

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

a rock would have gone straight through loco glazing if it hit it to be fair, just as on DMU glazing, if it hit the metal it would be fine though.

My point is that this damage is far more noticable on the newer 22000 DMU units because of the larger frontal glased area.

I was also shocked at the amount of similar stone damage to the side of these trains. Metallic paintwork is also a lot more difficult to touch / repair than a staright colour such as the former orange and black livery.

There is something to be said for having basic colours on public transport vehicles.

Judgement Day

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

My point is that this damage is far more noticable on the newer 22000 DMU units because of the larger frontal glased area.

I was also shocked at the amount of similar stone damage to the side of these trains. Metallic paintwork is also a lot more difficult to touch / repair than a staright colour such as the former orange and black livery.

There is something to be said for having basic colours on public transport vehicles.

In the real world yes but CIE/IE/Translink inhabit a parallel universe where style wins out over substance every time. :rolleyes:

dowlingm

I refuse to give into the "we can't have anything nice mentality". The answer is repair, repaint and work to prevent. One problem is because many of these yobs are juveniles it's difficult for the justice system to deter with highly public trials and sentences, even if High Court judges hadn't already given up on deterrent sentences in the sure knowledge that the Court of Criminal Appeal would chop them back to nothing.