Another Garda firearm gone missing.

patbundy

seen in todays eximiner(08/10/10)

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/probe-as-gun-and-ammunition-go-missing-from-garda-station-132944.html

CJhaughey

According to the Examiner a .38 S&W and 60 rds of ammunition has gone missing from a Garda station.
If this is used in a crime would it also be linked to licensed owners like the last case?

bunny shooter

If it wasn't so serious it would be funny :rolleyes:

Sparks

Merging threads...

rrpc

According to RTE news this morning it was a shotgun

tac foley

rrpc wrote: »

According to RTE news this morning it was a shotgun

Ah, with the level of expertise we commonly encounter when firearms are being reported in the press it could be anything from a seven-barrelled flintlcock to a multi-dimensional phaser.

Or even a 38cal S&W shotgun revolver gun assault-pistol bullet sniper-gun bullet head shooter.

Long time since the AGS had .38cal revolvers, surely?

tac

sfakiaman

tac foley wrote: »

Long time since the AGS had .38cal revolvers, surely?tac

Knowing the Guards it could have been missing for years and no one noticed.

Rosahane

Just anticipating the Garda press release

..."this firearm is the favourite weapon of criminals"

Rew

tac foley wrote: »

Ah, with the level of expertise we commonly encounter when firearms are being reported in the press it could be anything from a seven-barrelled flintlcock to a multi-dimensional phaser.

Or even a 38cal S&W shotgun revolver gun assault-pistol bullet sniper-gun bullet head shooter.

Long time since the AGS had .38cal revolvers, surely?

tac

The Sig P226 is filtering its way down though the different units ERU, NSU, RSU etc. A small station in Tipp may not see a Sig for years yet!! Traing cources on new firearm need to be run as well slowing it up. As well as that some detectives prefer the .38.

BryanL

tac foley wrote: »

Or even a 38cal S&W shotgun revolver gun assault-pistol bullet sniper-gun bullet head shooter.

tac

and Black!

johngalway

Obviously it wasn't one of the new Glock semi-automatic revolver shotguns then? God help us when the meeja find out about them yokes.

CJhaughey

johngalway wrote: »

Obviously it wasn't one of the new Glock semi-automatic revolver shotguns then? God help us when the meeja find out about them yokes.

It isn't a Glock or Semi-auto but there
are revolver shotguns...

johngalway

CJhaughey wrote: »

It isn't a Glock or Semi-auto but there
are revolver shotguns...

Yeah, seen shotguns online before with a cylinder.

Must get back to you again later about those last few PM's! Got distracted :rolleyes:

tac foley

BryanL wrote: »

and Black!

Blast. I knew I'd missed out something important.

Better yet - 'tactical' black.

tac

fish slapped

tac foley wrote: »

Blast. I knew I'd missed out something important.

Better yet - 'tactical' black.

tac

with lazer sights and explosive ballistic tip ammo :eek::eek::eek:

Sparks

Don't forget your lights and levels and NV scopes!

fish slapped

Garda firearms experts have released a photo of the missing "WEAPON":


:D

Grizzly 45

Between that and another EX Gardas claim for 25K in the high court while slipping on the Garda firearms range up the mountains somwhere on a wet railway sleeper and breaking a UZI SMG by falling on it!:eek::eek::eek::eek:[OI Veh! some shmuck was asleep on the production line that day!!]
Yet corageously continuing his shooting course with his revolver and scoring 95% at 25 yards.:eek::eek::rolleyes:.His case was dismissed, and the other lot going off to a print copy shop and having the extremly confidential file nicked !!
What are they like these days?????

patbundy

new update :rolleyes:

http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/1008/tipperary.html

some sloppy security

Traumadoc

Looks like it was found ( maybe it fell behind a desk?).
http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/1008/tipperary.html

Great crime solving skills.

patbundy

or awastepaper basket :eek:

tac foley

'The .38 Calibre Smith & Wesson and ammunition was discovered this morning in another secure insecure area in the station.'

Fixed it for yez.

tac

Rovi

Here's the other incident referred to above (as supplied to the mods by a 'concerned citizen' of this forum:
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2010/1006/1224280471183.html

None of this stuff is strictly anything much to do with Sport Shooting/Shooting Sports, apart from perhaps positing the theoretical question of what would happen to any of us 'non-professionals' if we were to handle our firearms or their storage in a similar manner.
It may also shed some light on the 'OMG!' attitude taken by some Gardai to our possession of firearms, if their only previous/regular exposure to firearms is their colleagues occasional 'little adventures' as noted in this thread. :rolleyes:

Grizzly 45

Plus one Rovi.
Maybe we should put together a sticky or somthing like Press clippings here over the time span since Nov 2008 of "Professionally trained police force Vs mere civillians gun accidents,death[accidental or otherwise] or loss thru negligence."Poll.
Could make for intresting reading!:rolleyes::(

homerhop

A certain garda main station not too far from me had 2 members walking along the corridier one evening talking about cups of tea or what ever they do while pottering about happened to be stopped by their sgt and told you and you are going on a firearms course. The station has an annual budget to spend and the course had to be done by somoene. Shipped off up the north west for a couple of days to learn how to use the new firearms that were eventually going to pass down along to the stations.
First days training involved being handed 2 guns, there is your target here is a couple of boxes of ammo off ya go lads. All in all the most they got was about half an hours official training on the first day. The second day seemed to consist of the same routine, arrived given ammo and let off to their own devices. The same 2 fellas arrived back in the station having "compleated" a course in firearms have stated quiet clearly that the probability of them ever using the guns they got to "train" on was slim to zero and the fact that they happened to be the first 2 gob****es that the sgt bumped into was the only reason they were picked.

Grizzly 45

Ah! The old two voulenteers needed ..you and you.:D
If thats true,thats VERY scarey!!:eek::eek:.Considering a range got some awful bother about doing somthing like this with two SB lads a few years ago..

fish slapped

Well, I don't want to stir it all up again, as it was well covered in a previous thread, but when a "garda sniper" can't account for all rounds fired at a distance of 50 to 80 meters, then the depth of training shows through. :mad::mad:

johngalway

I wonder do these incidents of, shall we call it, "misplacing" firearms have anything to do with how people value things they get for nothing?

I spent a lot of money on my firearms, and I'm fairly sure I'll never "misplace" any of them.

If the armed Gardai had to leave in a deposit for a firearm at the start of a shift, collect it on return of the firearm, I wonder how many would "misplace" them then?

fish slapped

Don't know about that JG just found my AI with S&B scope down the side of the couch beside the TV remote

mcgarrett

homerhop wrote: »

A certain garda main station not too far from me had 2 members walking along the corridier one evening talking about cups of tea or what ever they do while pottering about happened to be stopped by their sgt and told you and you are going on a firearms course. The station has an annual budget to spend and the course had to be done by somoene. Shipped off up the north west for a couple of days to learn how to use the new firearms that were eventually going to pass down along to the stations.
First days training involved being handed 2 guns, there is your target here is a couple of boxes of ammo off ya go lads. All in all the most they got was about half an hours official training on the first day. The second day seemed to consist of the same routine, arrived given ammo and let off to their own devices. The same 2 fellas arrived back in the station having "compleated" a course in firearms have stated quiet clearly that the probability of them ever using the guns they got to "train" on was slim to zero and the fact that they happened to be the first 2 gob****es that the sgt bumped into was the only reason they were picked.

And you believe that :rolleyes:

johngalway

fish slapped wrote: »

Don't know about that JG just found my AI with S&B scope down the side of the couch beside the TV remote

Which did you change channels with though? That's what I wanna know

Grizzly 45

With their record of firearms mishaps...It,s very beliveable..
Will I be booked for that Danno??;)

Tsk,Ah THERES where I left my shotgun,out in the umbrella stand!!Honestly!!

mcgarrett

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

With their record of firearms mishaps...It very beliveable..
Will I be booked for that Danno??;)

Having read this thread Grizzly it's clear that people posting on it are only too happy to believe rubbish like that.

I've often dropped in to read threads on this forum and found them very informative and in general the people posting are knowledgeable and are clearly committed to their sport.
But this thread reminded me of one of those feeding frenzies you see on a documentary about sharks.
"A Garda firearm has gone missing" post your stories now and don't let facts or the truth get in the way.

"Handed a gun, a couple of boxes of ammo and off you go"
"the second day seemed to consist of the same routine"

I'll send a link to this thread to the lads in the firearms training unit, they'll enjoy it.

bunny shooter

mcgarrett wrote: »

.........I've often dropped in to read threads on this forum and found them very informative and in general the people posting are knowledgeable and are clearly committed to their sport.
But this thread reminded me of one of those feeding frenzies you see on a documentary about sharks.
"A Garda firearm has gone missing" post your stories now and don't let facts or the truth get in the way.

"Handed a gun, a couple of boxes of ammo and off you go"
"the second day seemed to consist of the same routine"

I'll send a link to this thread to the lads in the firearms training unit, they'll enjoy it.

Are you dropping in as part of your official duties though

As you are apparently a Garda you could never understand our perspective

Sparks

johngalway wrote: »

Which did you change channels with though? That's what I wanna know

mcgarrett

bunny shooter wrote: »

Are you dropping in as part of your official duties though

Strictly in an unofficial capacity

bunny shooter wrote: »

As you are apparently a Garda you could never understand our perspective

No bunny, but at times I feel your pain

fish slapped

johngalway wrote: »

I wonder do these incidents of, shall we call it, "misplacing" firearms have anything to do with how people value things they get for nothing?

I spent a lot of money on my firearms, and I'm fairly sure I'll never "misplace" any of them.

If the armed Gardai had to leave in a deposit for a firearm at the start of a shift, collect it on return of the firearm, I wonder how many would "misplace" them then?

OOpps!!

fish slapped

MC Garrett, heaven forbid we should have a sense of humor or be entitled to share some witty banter.:p

mcgarrett

fish slapped wrote: »

MC Garrett, heaven forbid we should have a sense of humor or be entitled to share some witty banter.:p

Thanks fish slapped, that is a relief. I knew you didn't believe all those stories from a cousin of a friend of someones sister

bunny shooter

mcgarrett wrote: »

Thanks fish slapped, that is a relief. I knew you didn't believe all those stories from a cousin of a friend of someones sister

Sure if we believed that kinda stuff we'd have to believe the one about the full frontal lobotomy all new entrants are given as soon as they enter the training college in Templemore :D

pajero2005

bunny shooter wrote: »

Sure if we believed that kinda stuff we'd have to believe the one about the full frontal lobotomy all new entrants are given as soon as they enter the training college in Templemore :D

Dunno about ye guys but I'd rather have a full bottle in front of me than a full frontal lobotomy :D

I'll get me coat!:o

mcgarrett

bunny shooter wrote: »

Sure if we believed that kinda stuff we'd have to believe the one about the full frontal lobotomy all new entrants are given as soon as they enter the training college in Templemore :D

This is more of it :mad:. The story again gets twisted, when I entered Templemore this first priority was to get a bottle in front of me not a frontal lobotomy .


beaten to it by pajero

tac foley

johngalway wrote: »

I wonder do these incidents of, shall we call it, "misplacing" firearms have anything to do with how people value things they get for nothing?

I spent a lot of money on my firearms, and I'm fairly sure I'll never "misplace" any of them.

Sir - you are making a couple of assumptions here -

1. The Police authorities do not get guns 'for nothing'. In fact, the individual officer doesn't get 'given' a gun at all, in the same way that a traffic officer doesn't get 'given' a car. A gun, like the car, is an item of use - both can be lethal if used carelessly. They are both issued for use, not as a gift for being a good cop.

2. This argument is fallacious - you OWN your firearms, and they were obtained by going through a series of hoops that almost beggar belief, apart from the obvious expense incurred. If you were to 'mislay' a gun when it was required to be produced as part of a police check, you would be in the deepest darkest brown stuff imaginable. Not only would you have accidentally lost a prized possession, you would be liable in law for losing a firearm and would in all probablity lose all the others you had as a punishment.

tac

homerhop

mcgarrett wrote: »

And you believe that :rolleyes:

Yes I do, you have know way of knowing how i am involved or how i know this. Its up to you if you want to take it with a pinch of salt or not but I will take it as sure as knowing that the sky is blue and the grass is green.

Grizzly 45

mcgarrett wrote: »

Having read this thread Grizzly it's clear that people posting on it are only too happy to believe rubbish like that.

"A Garda firearm has gone missing" post your stories now and don't let facts or the truth get in the way.

"Handed a gun, a couple of boxes of ammo and off you go"
"the second day seemed to consist of the same routine"

QUOTE]

I think there is a bit of schadenfreude here on our side.:D:D.People in glass houses,practising what you preach and all that.

bravestar

homerhop wrote: »

A certain garda main station not too far from me had 2 members walking along the corridier one evening talking about cups of tea or what ever they do while pottering about happened to be stopped by their sgt and told you and you are going on a firearms course. The station has an annual budget to spend and the course had to be done by somoene. Shipped off up the north west for a couple of days to learn how to use the new firearms that were eventually going to pass down along to the stations.
First days training involved being handed 2 guns, there is your target here is a couple of boxes of ammo off ya go lads. All in all the most they got was about half an hours official training on the first day. The second day seemed to consist of the same routine, arrived given ammo and let off to their own devices. The same 2 fellas arrived back in the station having "compleated" a course in firearms have stated quiet clearly that the probability of them ever using the guns they got to "train" on was slim to zero and the fact that they happened to be the first 2 gob****es that the sgt bumped into was the only reason they were picked.

While that is a funny little story it is also complete S**te. Just in case anyone believed it

homerhop

bravestar wrote: »

While that is a funny little story it is also complete S**te. Just in case anyone believed it

and you know this because? as i have already said i will trust my source on this more that i will take you saying its complete ****e

tac foley

As a furriner I would find it very interesting to learn about just how AGS trains its specialist firearms officers.

Here in UK we share our range facilities with a local county force, and spend a lot of our hard-earned maintenance funds repairing shot-hole damage in the strangest places, as well as picking up the occasional live rounds after they used the range.

Last year we found an elongated and hastily-repaired hole in the ground where what appeared to have been a 12 gauge slug had been accidentally discharged...an attempt to disguise it by scattering loose soil over the top was unsuccessful.

Similar 12 gauge slug holes in the overhanging canopy at the butts was a lot harder to hide, so they didn't bother.

But then, as it is ten feet above the horizontal centreline of any target there, maybe they thought we wouldn't notice.

Me, I'd be a lot happier if Stevie Wonder was the 'police counter-sniper' in any hostage situation that THEY would be attending.

tac

meathstevie

johngalway wrote: »

I wonder do these incidents of, shall we call it, "misplacing" firearms have anything to do with how people value things they get for nothing?

I spent a lot of money on my firearms, and I'm fairly sure I'll never "misplace" any of them.

If the armed Gardai had to leave in a deposit for a firearm at the start of a shift, collect it on return of the firearm, I wonder how many would "misplace" them then?

Don't know about the Gardai John but a lot of police officers elsewhere do exactly that when they sign out a weapon at the start of a shift. They sign an armoury ledger for gun and ammo and they better have a very good explanation if the gun doesn't return in it's original condition and any ammo is unaccounted for. Ultimately it can cost them their job if all isn't right.

bravestar

homerhop wrote: »

and you know this because? as i have already said i will trust my source on this more that i will take you saying its complete ****e

Check your PM.

tac foley wrote: »

As a furriner I would find it very interesting to learn about just how AGS trains its specialist firearms officers.

Here in UK we share our range facilities with a local county force, and spend a lot of our hard-earned maintenance funds repairing shot-hole damage in the strangest places, as well as picking up the occasional live rounds after they used the range.

Last year we found an elongated and hastily-repaired hole in the ground where what appeared to have been a 12 gauge slug had been accidentally discharged...an attempt to disguise it by scattering loose soil over the top was unsuccessful.

Similar 12 gauge slug holes in the overhanging canopy at the butts was a lot harder to hide, so they didn't bother.

But then, as it is ten feet above the horizontal centreline of any target there, maybe they thought we wouldn't notice.

Me, I'd be a lot happier if Stevie Wonder was the 'police counter-sniper' in any hostage situation that THEY would be attending.

tac

I dont think you will find any member of AGS willing to give details of tactical/firearms training that they undergoe or any information regarding Garda procedures, in relation to firearms use/training, on a public internet forum.

Grizzly 45

bravestar wrote: »

I dont think you will find any member of AGS willing to give details of tactical/firearms training or any information regarding procedures on a public internet forum.

Just read up on IPSC and participate in a shoot somwhere outside the republic of Ireland..According to the DOJ and Gardai experts thats on par with any combat/tactical training out there.. Hence its banned in Ireland!!:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Going by the Irish Times mentioned report,shooting at 25 yards[7.5meters]scoring 95% seems to be part of it ... OH Dear!!!...:D:D:D
Dunno about the falling off the wet sleeper bit and breaking an UZI SMG,if thats part of it too???:D:D
Somthing H&S and your insurance company would crucify a civillian range owner !!!Not to mind the DOJ range inspector signing off on too! I would have thought with our weather that would be a quite normal "tactical" hazard armed Garda officers might encounter on a daily basis????Wet and slippery surfaces?

Ye'll have to come to a 1500 match lads...
Ooops ,sorry!!! that might still be current tactical training.????.:eek:
Well, going by a certain Garda ballistics expert,so saying in many district courts of the land this year to give good reason to refuse previous liscense holders...... It must be !!!:rolleyes::D:D