An alternative to Lisbon

BetterLisbon

Well never let it be said that eurosceptics don't offer an alternative; here is mine.
http://betterthanlisbon.blogspot.com/
I welcome your comments and reaction.

Scofflaw

A consolidated version would be nice. Amending treaties are a pain to read.

cordially,
Scofflaw

evercloserunion

Scofflaw wrote: »

A consolidated version would be nice. Amending treaties are a pain to read.

cordially,
Scofflaw

Constant renumbering of hundreds of articles, moreso.

oscarBravo

BetterLisbon wrote: »

Well never let it be said that eurosceptics don't offer an alternative; here is mine.
http://betterthanlisbon.blogspot.com/
I welcome your comments and reaction.

My initial reaction is: do you think all 27 member states would be willing to sign up to it?

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oscarBravo wrote: »

My initial reaction is: do you think all 27 member states would be willing to sign up to it?

I doubt he could persuade Ireland to sign up to this never mind the other 26 member states.

Jens Peter Bonde - who had a similiar Treaty proposal - certainly wasn't able to get anywhere with it. And he actually was an MEP so had more than one opportunity to present his case.

Scofflaw

I doubt any country could be persuaded to back anything remotely approaching it, given it's a step all the way back to an Economic Community or European Free Trade Area - and if the Member States wanted nothing more than an EC, they could have kept an EC.

No - I appreciate the work that has gone into it, but what's the point of offering what has already been surpassed, and surpassed by the choice of the very countries who would have to sign up to it?

BetterLisbon, are you under the impression that the Member States actually want something like this but have somehow been mysteriously bamboozled or railroaded into the current arrangement, rather than having created the current arrangement themselves through years of negotiation and trial and error?

It's interesting as a sort of manifesto for those who would like to see the EU reduced to an EFTA, but otherwise not. Jens Peter Bonde's version has the same problem.

cordially,
Scofflaw

Martin 2

Porto, -not as crowded!

Nobody can deny your dedication to your cause and the hard work you've put into producing the document, however, as OB has said, I can't see 27 members signing up to it and certainly not Ireland where you are obviously based.

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TheReverend

lol no

evercloserunion

I only got around to having a look at it now. Two thoughts come to mind.

1) This is not an alternative to the Lisbon Treaty, but rather to the EU itself and to the last twenty years of economic, political and social integration.

2) Why did you wait until a year after we voted for Lisbon to introduce an alternative?

BlitzKrieg

initial response from glancing.


Removal of both the commission and European Parliament is something I disagree with personnally.

“Where a member state experiences and unemployment crisis the right of freedom of employment may be suspended by the state in question. The criteria for defining an unemployment crisis shall be agreed by the European Council and shall be reviewed annually.

Yeah that is never gonna float without some formal power behind it. Which with the removal of both the commission and Parliament, doesnt exist anymore in what you have put up so far.

I disagree with it personnally anyway.

If the European Council fails to resolve the dispute the matter will be referred to the highest court of each of the member states party to the dispute.
If the courts do not reach the same conclusion the relevant provisions of the treaties shall be suspended and the member states shall negotiate an amending treaty to resolve the dispute.”

you do know countries have different laws. This one will be fun to watch more headbutting.