boards.ie has a responsilbilty to the country

digme

Why are you guys who run this place not organising something? Surely the mods and things all agree we need a new change right now,you supported Lisbon, why not support your own people?

Mena

The op is what's wrong with people today, everyone wants someone else to do "it".

digme

Don't worry lad the thread will be closed soon.

dvpower

digme wrote: »

Why are you guys who run this place not organising something? Surely the mods and things all agree we need a new change right now,you supported Lisbon, why not support your own people?

We really are screwed if were reduced to asking the owners and volunteer moderators of an internet discussion forum to lead us to salvation.

dvpower

digme wrote: »

Don't worry lad the thread will be closed soon.

Now you're beginning to make sense.

Scofflaw

digme wrote: »

Why are you guys who run this place not organising something? Surely the mods and things all agree we need a new change right now,you supported Lisbon, why not support your own people?

Because we're just people, like everybody else. As mods here, our function is to allow people to debate, not to push people a particular way.

If you believed the thread would be closed, why did you bother to start it?

cordially,
Scofflaw

DeVore

digme wrote: »

Don't worry lad the thread will be closed soon.

Wow, you don't half have an attitude hahahah.

How did we "support" lisbon?? If anything we went out of our way to try and get critics of the proposal to come on and debate. The best we could do was Jim Corr and you saw how that went. We issued invittations to all opponents on both sides.

As for "doing something"... We are. Were doing one of the most subversive things possible, we're giving people as unfettered a voice as possible under the (brutally restrictive) Irish laws.

There is a reason why in a coup the first places to get seized are the media broadcasters.


So, we have provided a neutral platform for like minded people to meet, communicate and organize. Many groups have formed off of boards from acting troupe to soccer teams to cycling squads.

I'd love to know why we have a "responsibility" to anyone?? How am I more some how more morally obliged to do something than you??

DeV.

Nodin

digme wrote: »

Why are you guys who run this place not organising something? Surely the mods and things all agree we need a new change right now,you supported Lisbon, why not support your own people?

There was an official "boards" stance on Lisbon....?

maccored

two things - 1) its a bit late complaining now and 2) what mena said in the second post

meglome

Nodin wrote: »

There was an official "boards" stance on Lisbon....?

In the Conspiracy theory's forum that was what some believed. Not agreeing with the lies about Lisbon was the same as supporting it seemingly.

Nodin

meglome wrote: »

In the Conspiracy theory's forum that was what some believed. Not agreeing with the lies about Lisbon was the same as supporting it seemingly.

Ty.

deise go deo

I second the motion, and propose DeVore starts growing an suitably shaped mustashe immideatly.

hallelujajordan

Mena wrote: »

The op is what's wrong with people today, everyone wants someone else to do "it".

+1

There must be 10 active threads right now with internet revolutionaries demanding that someone else starts the revolution !

Nodin

hallelujajordan wrote: »

+1

There must be 10 active threads right now with internet revolutionaries demanding that someone else starts the revolution !

You can see how we remained occupied for so many centuries.

Eliot Rosewater

Nodin wrote: »

There was an official "boards" stance on Lisbon....?

The problem is that the quality of debate on boards is quite high; higher than anywhere else in the country, in my opinion. You simply can't get away with spreading crap on boards because someone will call you up on it. This kind of accountability isn't even present in Uni debating societies, which is what makes boards so valuable, in my opinion.

But obviously this poses a problem for people who base their position on lies, for example many No voters. Instead of admitting their fallacies they go on a rant about how boards is out to get them. The very format of this forum, where any person can contribute (once they obey the rules), is proof enough that allegations of such organised campaigns are false.

But it is a common thread: poster comes on, makes silly statements, gets debated to the ground, resorts to personal abuse, gets banned, and then starts moaning about how there's an official bias on the forum.

Amhran Nua

DeVore wrote: »

Many groups have formed off of boards from acting troupe to soccer teams to cycling squads.

I wouldn't worry about it, the only thing that's going to form off the politics forum is a few hundred cases of repetitive strain injury.

jmayo

digme wrote: »

Why are you guys who run this place not organising something? Surely the mods and things all agree we need a new change right now,you supported Lisbon, why not support your own people?

Well one of the main players has a thread running asking people to do nothing (strikes, protests, etc) as it might scare the bond holders, so I think you may be barking up the worng tree looking for them to lead the revolution.

DeVore wrote: »

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How did we "support" lisbon?? If anything we went out of our way to try and get critics of the proposal to come on and debate. The best we could do was Jim Corr and you saw how that went. We issued invittations to all opponents on both sides.

Did you not have any inkling he ehhh had a screw loose ?
BTW you should have invited Sharon, more guys would have turned up to ehhh listen.

DeVore wrote: »

As for "doing something"... We are. Were doing one of the most subversive things possible, we're giving people as unfettered a voice as possible under the (brutally restrictive) Irish laws.

Ehh your mods don't let us all say what we would sometimes like to say unlike some other forums out there.
Saying that you are way better than AAM.

DeVore wrote: »

So, we have provided a neutral platform for like minded people to meet, communicate and organize. Many groups have formed off of boards from acting troupe to soccer teams to cycling squads.

So what about firing squads ?

hallelujajordan wrote: »

+1

There must be 10 active threads right now with internet revolutionaries demanding that someone else starts the revolution !

Aren't you busy with your own revolution within ff ?
Any chance you will hand cowen over to us?

Nodin wrote: »

You can see how we remained occupied for so many centuries.

Ah but we didn't have the internet in those days.

Overheal

The quake forum, that became a gladiator; the gladiator that defied an - wait, where have I heard this before?

Nodin

jmayo wrote: »

Ah but we didn't have the internet in those days.

Imagine the notice on the door of the pub

'Upstairs tonighte - Ye Public Meeting to form secret subversive organisation - pints half price till 10'

yoshytoshy

Write a computer program to run the country ,that way we don't have to pay politicians.

thebman

hallelujajordan wrote: »

+1

There must be 10 active threads right now with internet revolutionaries demanding that someone else starts the revolution !

Its almost like they should PM each other.

Boards.ie is half way toward organising their group for them already and they haven't even done anything yet!

Boards.ie is pro revolutions just like Lisbon :P

yoshytoshy wrote: »

Write a computer program to run the country ,that way we don't have to pay politicians.

If it is half as good as current voice recognition technology, it will be twice as good as our political parties and only bankrupt us 10% of the time or so.

gollem_1975

yoshytoshy wrote: »

Write a computer program to run the country ,that way we don't have to pay politicians.

:eek: remember PPARS.. not to mention the e-voting machines running on MS Access ( the most powerful database known to mankind )

yoshytoshy

gollem_1975 wrote: »

not to mention the e-voting machines running on MS Access ( the most powerful database known to mankind )

But we are a smart economy ,fianna fail take this to extremes and think they're the only smart ones.

DeVore

People talk here like there is consensus as to what we WANT to happen... like its Us vs Politicians.... but the fact of the matter is that half the people here want to leave the Public Sector alone and half want it cut to ribbons. When it comes down to it, how are we going to reconcile those differences?

For what its worth, what I would do is:

1. Prosecute all the golden circle bankers and reverse NAMA if possible, which I dont think it is. Let Anglo crash, buy the assets cheap and use them for affordable housing and social housing.

2. Review every single PS worker earning over 120k in total (bonuses overtime etc) and every consultant earning over 120k Most. would have their pay capped at 120k. If they dont like it, leave.... Its a great job market out there. I'd take half that money and reinvest it in the PS front line workers to give them better tools to be more efficient.

3. Reduce the number of TDs by half at least. Make them work 11 months of the year and no second jobs. Report attendance in the papers. Chop the Taoiseachs salary to the average working wage and track it at that, when the country as a whole does better, so should the leader and only then.

4. Instigate a way for the populace to force a general election. Something like 250,000 passports, hard to do but possible.

5. Completely rewrite the FOI and Libel laws

6. Resign and call another general election.



DeV.

imme

"boards has a responsibility to the country"

Oh no it doesn't.:rolleyes:

It's a place where people spend some time and post whatever they like.

What's posted here doesn't change anything, it doesn't force politicians to take a particular course of action.

It's a talking shop in essance, not saying that there's anything wrong with that btw.

DeVore

imme wrote: »

"boards has a responsibility to the country"

Oh no it doesn't.:rolleyes:

It's a place where people spend some time and post whatever they like.

What's posted here doesn't change anything, it doesn't force politicians to take a particular course of action.

It's a talking shop in essance, not saying that there's anything wrong with that btw.

I fundamentally disagree. We've seen time and again that things posted here can change things. Read PI or LTI or this thread in Motors which has CLEARLY changed a lot of peoples attitudes: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056010483

Politics is a huge, inertial system that may take more then Boards to change but think back to even Lisbon and how many people came back to say thank you to the site for the ONLY informed and lively debate on the topic (according to them).

DeV.

Nehaxak

One major flaw though in all of this, as good as what Boards is (are?) - it could also be wide open to manipulation by both government and opposition parties and their vested interests.

Personally I'd like to see a publicly viewable mark of some sort placed beside posters who do or have in the past posted from government, opposition or otherwise any official IP of the state itself.

If someone is stirring up a story about our crap government or indeed against any opposition party/figure - I'd like to think it was just an ordinary person expressing their views and debating their points, rather than using boards as an outlet for their government or opposition propaganda or spin.

Don't have to reveal their true identities, just a matter of letting people know where they're posting from, so they can make up their own minds as and to how much they take their points of view on board, or not as the case may be.

Just a thought anyway...

imme

DeVore wrote: »

I fundamentally disagree. We've seen time and again that things posted here can change things. Read PI or LTI or this thread in Motors which has CLEARLY changed a lot of peoples attitudes: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056010483

Politics is a huge, inertial system that may take more then Boards to change but think back to even Lisbon and how many people came back to say thank you to the site for the ONLY informed and lively debate on the topic (according to them).

DeV.

I think we're talking about different things Dev.;)
The OP said:
"Why are you guys who run this place not organising something? Surely the mods and things all agree we need a new change right now,you supported Lisbon, why not support your own people?"

It's not even clear what the OP wants Boards to do. Can Boards organise a coup, alternative government, new political party a la Tea Parties etc etc

Answer: NO

Something could develop through Boards ( agroup of like minded posters), but surely not from Boards.:(
Maybe you think differently.


I do agree with you that Boards opens ideas/thoughts/philosophies to discussion, this is a good and worthwhile service.:)

If Boards wants to seek to direct public opinion then it's different to what I thought it was, it's deffo differnet to what it says on the tin.

Bob the Builder

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/categories/government-in-ireland/elections-and-referenda/national-elections/the_general_election

If your not happy with the amount of power that you have outside of the Dáil, get up and start looking looking for votes and get inside the Dáil and fix it. Don't expect online forums to do that for you. If and when you do decide to seek nomination for election, then come back to us.

DeVore

imme wrote: »

I think we're talking about different things Dev.;)
The OP said:
"Why are you guys who run this place not organising something? Surely the mods and things all agree we need a new change right now,you supported Lisbon, why not support your own people?"

It's not even clear what the OP wants Boards to do. Can Boards organise a coup, alternative government, new political party a la Tea Parties etc etc

Answer: NO

Something could develop through Boards ( agroup of like minded posters), but surely not from Boards.:(
Maybe you think differently.


I do agree with you that Boards opens ideas/thoughts/philosophies to discussion, this is a good and worthwhile service.:)

If Boards wants to seek to direct public opinion then it's different to what I thought it was, it's deffo differnet to what it says on the tin.

Boards.ie is a platform. As a company we are, and always will be, politically neutral and agnostic.


Personally, I use the site and sometimes like to post what I consider thought provoking discussions but you will not see Boards Ltd touting a political position. We're a neutral platform for discussion and that's not going to change any time soon.

DeV.