Fallout 1&2

deise go deo

Anyone know where I could get a copy of this(preferably for free)

I play Fallout 3 alot and would like to have a look at some of the older games.
What do ye think of it as a game, I know its prity old but I heard it was good.

RobertFoster

You can get them for $5.99 each from GOG (Fallout 1, Fallout 2). They're €9.99 each on Steam, or you can get them, and Fallout Tactics together in a bundle for €19.99.

shoveltooth

You can get the fallout collection ( fallout1, fallout 2 & fallout tactics) for €6 or €7 in maplin iirc

kowloon

There is a final unsupported patch for fallout 2, it doesn't always install properly over the Steam version.

Also, the American version is better than the one that was sold here due to censorship: there are children in the American version but seeing as you could kill them the characters were removed. This messes up a few quests in the game.

I'd go with GOG, no DRM and the US version.

uberpixie

deise go deo wrote: »

Anyone know where I could get a copy of this(preferably for free)

I play Fallout 3 alot and would like to have a look at some of the older games.
What do ye think of it as a game, I know its prity old but I heard it was good.

Fallout 1+2 for storytelling/actual RPG elements I would rate higher than Fallout 3. (Fallout 3 is good in it's own right as an action RPG and does have good atmosphere and has wandering the wastelands nailed perfect, but RPG wise is much weaker)

Fallout 1+2 you fell like you have a bigger effect on the story and you can beat the game in a variety of ways.

A friend of mine once played Fallout 2 with a tank Character with an intelligence of 3. Fantastic in combat, but totally retarded .

You only ever had one or two speech choices and both were gibberish that most NPCs couldn't understand. He also got screwed out of a lot of money by NPCs after finishing quests again because his character was retarded by the games standards and the NPCs took advantage . He was still able to beat the game though and the developers had allowances made for anyone that did try with character of intelligence 3!

These games are pretty old and Fallout 2 is VERY hard at the start in comparison to Fallout 1. The combat is all turn based, the graphics are dirt by today's standards, the control system is a bit convoluted at times and could have been made a little simpler but for story telling and the sheer number of ways to finish the game very few games today can hold a candle to it.

Any time I have ever replayed Fallout 1 or 2 I find something new or a different way of finishing a quest.

Kersmash

I'd love to play these games, I assume they run on pretty low specs considering they're old, yeh?

deise go deo

shoveltooth wrote: »

You can get the fallout collection ( fallout1, fallout 2 & fallout tactics) for €6 or €7 in maplin iirc

Fantastic, theres one just down the road from me,


What did ye thing of the game to Play? Is it worth investing some time in?

Retr0gamer

uberpixie wrote: »

You only ever had one or two speech choices and both were gibberish that most NPCs couldn't understand. He also got screwed out of a lot of money by NPCs after finishing quests again because his character was retarded by the games standards and the NPCs took advantage . He was still able to beat the game though and the developers had allowances made for anyone that did try with character of intelligence 3!

Friend of mine started as a female character and tried to sleep his way through the game. Managed to do quite well until he ran out of contraception when he thought it would be funny sleeping with any randomer and died from an STD.

deise go deo

Are there many different charachters to choose from at the start?

uberpixie

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Friend of mine started as a female character and tried to sleep his way through the game. Managed to do quite well until he ran out of contraception when he thought it would be funny sleeping with any randomer and died from an STD.

:-)

deise go deo wrote: »

Are there many different characters to choose from at the start?

No, there are usually 3 basic templates however it is advisable to create the character yourself.
Stats actually matter is this one so you do need to put a little thought into what skills you want to specialise in and what points you assign for your stats.

Still a high intelligence stat with tag skills in small guns, doctor/first aid and speech will get you far in either game.
There is no right or wrong way of doing things (some are much harder than others), but you do need some combat skills.

uberpixie

Kersmash wrote: »

I'd love to play these games, I assume they run on pretty low specs considering they're old, yeh?

I ran Fallout 2 on a pentium 120mhz with 16mb of ram back in 1999 so I think you are good to go!

Fallout 2 will def run on a netbook.

Kersmash

Savage. just got a new laptop, because my desktop is on its last legs. Was hoping I'd be able to pick em up

Sarky

Fallouts 1 and 2 were never pretty games, they had a good visual style, but even when they were released they were considered below average on looks.

But underneath the rough visuals are some of the deepest RPG experiences you'll ever have. The number of quests, not to mention the variety of ways you could finish most of them, were stunning.

Not to mention the variety of encounters and character builds. Sink all your points into speech and you could talk your way past almost any fight. Whore yourself out for piles of cash. Get accidentally married, and pimp your wife for cash if you feel like being a jerk. Meet a power-armoured King Arthur, visit the mysterious crash site of a sperm whale (and for some reason, a potted plant) which fell from the skies.

If you like RPGs then you need the first Fallout games. They're still amazing works.

Retr0gamer

People just have to remember that they are slow games unlike Fallout 3. You aren't going to get instant gratification from them. You've got to sink some time into it. The games aren't about the combat but the amount of options you have and how you affect the world.

Kersmash

What similarities are there between the world(s) of FO 1 and 2 and the one in 3? Am I right in thinking that FO 1 and 2 take place in a different place to 3? Is the story still the same?

VenomIreland

FO3 takes place on the other side of America.

FO1's story leads into FO2's (kinda)
FO3's story on the other hand, is a very loosely connected POS compared to FO1 and 2's.

Sarky

Retr0gamer wrote: »

The games aren't about the combat but the amount of options you have and how you affect the world.

That said though I found the combat to be pretty damn satisfying too.

ShadowHearth

well fallout 2 is still my best ever played game!

Fallout 3 looks really retarted comparing it to fallout2. Fallout 3 city - 5 npcs. fallout 2 city - hundred. i actually felt better atmosther in fallout 2 then 3.


Now to all who want to try out fallout 2.... DONT BE PUTTED AWAY BECOUSE OF THE GRAPHICS! Its 256 colors, but i can tell you: you will get sucked in!

i love how much impact your stats actually did, like someone mentioned: if you were 3 intelect, it ment you were dumb as wood, at the world would actually react to that.

i had a friend, who allways told me that f2 is rubish, once i forced him to play it... i havent seen him for days, and he was replaying it so many times just to find a new interesting way to finish game or find some secret places or npcs...


good old times... anyone remembers your car gone after you had your " business" finishd in NEW RENO? when that happened to me first time i hade a "facemelter" on me

HereticPrincess

It's definitly worth investing time in!

It's the best game I've ever played (Fallout 2 is my favorite of the series), my cousin introduced it to me when I was younger & I played it constantly!

It's not FPS, it's top down RPG. 6 euro is a complete bargain, especially for all 3 games.

Stercus Accidit

Kersmash wrote: »

I'd love to play these games, I assume they run on pretty low specs considering they're old, yeh?

They do, you will get sucked in after a few hours, I promise you.

The interface takes some getting used to as does the way the games work, you will find the first sequence where you are introduced to the game and combat confusing and tedious I know I did, but you get your head around it quick, and it becomes like an enthralling book, you are in that world and the story and situation are real and alive, it gets addictive.

I spent a week in Italy during the summer unable to go outside with the heat, and would play F1 during the time I couldn't do anything, and it was hard to drag me away, you will be up til all hours.

BArra

new vegas seems to be a rip of new reno from the old pc games

back to gambling and trying your luck on slot machines, i cant wait :pac:

and then when you have lost it all, time to go pick up your weapons and kill everyone inside the casino and loot it for all its worth, best to leave town sharpish after though...

Magill

After diablo1+2 and WoW, the fallout series is probably the most immersive RPG i've played (At least in my case). The first 2 games are really very different from the 3rd, but what they lack in graphics and exploding mutant heads, they make up for in character. Really great games, even by todays standards.

Sarky

BArra wrote: »

new vegas seems to be a rip of new reno from the old pc games

back to gambling and trying your luck on slot machines, i cant wait :pac:

and then when you have lost it all, time to go pick up your weapons and kill everyone inside the casino and loot it for all its worth, best to leave town sharpish after though...

Don't forget to shag the kingpin's wife on the way out!

BArra

think that quest series in new reno playing off the three big family mob bosses against one another, completing all their quests and then killing them all is the most satisyfing aspect to a game ive ever played

edit; just had a flashback to another quest in the game, u went downstairs in a building and became a boxer, where u cud rig the fights or not... think u could also use metal plated boxing gloves

uberpixie

BArra wrote: »

edit; just had a flashback to another quest in the game, u went downstairs in a building and became a boxer, where u cud rig the fights or not... think u could also use metal plated boxing gloves

For Fallout 2 I always went very heavy into hand to hand, I once managed to get to the end of the game without using any guns going purely with hand to hand.

Once you get some half decent armour and a mega power fist there is very little you cant kill with a good aimed shot to the eyes. Topped off of course with a perk or two to make all HtH hits critical, reduce the number of action points to make a HtH attack and tripping balls on jet to double my action points with some psycho to buff my damage resistance to a very silly level.......

Boxing: I once lost my ear in one of the boxing matches in New Reno. Reduced my Charisma by -1 and you got to keep the dismembered ear in your inventory .

ShadowHearth

uberpixie wrote: »

For Fallout 2 I always went very heavy into hand to hand, I once managed to get to the end of the game without using any guns going purely with hand to hand.

Once you get some half decent armour and a mega power fist there is very little you cant kill with a good aimed shot to the eyes. Topped off of course with a perk or two to make all HtH hits critical, reduce the number of action points to make a HtH attack and tripping balls on jet to double my action points with some psycho to buff my damage resistance to a very silly level.......

Boxing: I once lost my ear in one of the boxing matches in New Reno. Reduced my Charisma by -1 and you got to keep the dismembered ear in your inventory .

f2 had really better flexibility the way to play to be honest!

there was a video on youtube to complete game withouth any combat skills etc!

ChunkyLover_53

Sarky wrote: »

Don't forget to shag the kingpin's wife on the way out!

And his daughter! And if IRC there was an option for the 2 of them at the same time.

Fallout 2 is one of the greatest RPGs ever, but my 1 gripe was those Goddamn Character Creation Trials at the start! Couldn't be skipped & were designed to be way too long.

There was something sickly satisfying about hitting a Golden Gecko with a Sledgehammer & sending it flying 20ft across a room.

Lets talk about something else.
Goodbye.

Kersmash

The more I hear about these games, the more I really want to play them.

Sarky

ChunkyLover_53 wrote: »

but my 1 gripe was those Goddamn Character Creation Trials at the start! Couldn't be skipped & were designed to be way too long.

Christ, yes. I can forgive the buggy quests (most of which are fixed in patches anyway) and the dull visuals, but having to play through that temple of trials thing at the start every time you wanted to start from the start was a bit much.

There was something sickly satisfying about hitting a Golden Gecko with a Sledgehammer & sending it flying 20ft across a room.

Mmm, violence. I quite liked how the enemies would scream different things depending on where you hit them. There's a certain glee to be had from shooting someone in the face, blinding them, and watching them scream "My eyes! My f*ckin' EYES!"

ShadowHearth

Sarky wrote: »

Christ, yes. I can forgive the buggy quests (most of which are fixed in patches anyway) and the dull visuals, but having to play through that temple of trials thing at the start every time you wanted to start from the start was a bit much.



Mmm, violence. I quite liked how the enemies would scream different things depending on where you hit them. There's a certain glee to be had from shooting someone in the face, blinding them, and watching them scream "My eyes! My f*ckin' EYES!"

damn right on that, when i played fallout 2, i was warned: just get over the temple thingy, as game is nothing like that temple part of game.

It should be removed alltogether...

VenomIreland

I love the sound of critical killing a mole rat with a sledgehammer

Zapp Brannigan

Gonna have to playthrough this now trying to sleep my way through the game!

VenomIreland

Zapp Brannigan wrote: »

Gonna have to playthrough this now trying to sleep my way through the game!

I can't stop reading all of your post's in Zapp's voice.

Cravez

Started Fallout 2 after reading this thread . Especially the comments regarding the vault at the start, I thought it was dreadful and sorta just gave up after it but from reading it gets much, much better afterwards I thought id give it a proper go

Just recently started Fallout 1 (bought after reading through this thread) and it's great craic so far, took a while to get used to the controls but seem to have it down ok.

I've a question for any of ye Fallout fans out there...is there any way to "cancel" aggression during combat, basically, apologise and hope the town forgives you?

I was caught stealing from an NPC in Shady Sands and he started a fight with me...of course, Ian (who I had contracted) just shot him dead! I saved there, hoping that some way I could cancel the fight, make some sort of peace offering but they just keep attacking.

Is there any way to accomplish this (apart from restarting from an earlier save) or should I just continue along this dark part?

ChunkyLover_53

Michael Cravez wrote: »

Started Fallout 2 after reading this thread . Especially the comments regarding the vault at the start, I thought it was dreadful and sorta just gave up after it but from reading it gets much, much better afterwards I thought id give it a proper go

Fair play dude its a classic.

What I used to do was make a character I really liked and then save the game right after the trials & just before you leave the village so if you wanted to restart again from scratch you could make that saved game you default one.

Stick with it there is so much to do in the game, and a lot of subtle tie-ins with Fallout 3

ChunkyLover_53

Deleted User wrote: »

Just recently started Fallout 1 (bought after reading through this thread) and it's great craic so far, took a while to get used to the controls but seem to have it down ok.

I've a question for any of ye Fallout fans out there...is there any way to "cancel" aggression during combat, basically, apologise and hope the town forgives you?

I was caught stealing from an NPC in Shady Sands and he started a fight with me...of course, Ian (who I had contracted) just shot him dead! I saved there, hoping that some way I could cancel the fight, make some sort of peace offering but they just keep attacking.

Is there any way to accomplish this (apart from restarting from an earlier save) or should I just continue along this dark part?

Check out the Fallout Wiki (just google that you'll find it) someone might be able to help'


otherwise cut your losses & do the village with a flamethrower & supersledge :cool:

ChunkyLover_53

ChunkyLover_53 wrote: »

Check out the Fallout Wiki (just google that you'll find it) someone might be able to help'


otherwise cut your losses & do the village with a flamethrower & supersledge :cool:

Cheers, will do...it is very tempting to just continue as is :pac:

Retr0gamer

Deleted User wrote: »

Cheers, will do...it is very tempting to just continue as is :pac:

Best way to play it I feel. If you **** up then face the consequences

VenomIreland

There is no way to "cure" aggression, if someone is hostile towards, that's pretty much it.

Stercus Accidit

Just started a new file in this myself, my char is all charisma and no muscle or shooting skills, Ian is invalluable now, I can sneak steal and charm people, he can shoot them if neccesary

VenomIreland

Stercus Accidit wrote: »

Just started a new file in this myself, my char is all charisma and no muscle or shooting skills, Ian is invalluable now, I can sneak steal and charm people, he can shoot them if neccesary

Whatever you do, don't give him a sub machine gun!

Yitzhak Rabin

Here's a nice overview of the fallout series

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skRFORrIJOQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLd7-T2m4G0

Stercus Accidit

VenomIreland wrote: »

Whatever you do, don't give him a sub machine gun!

Lemme guess, ammo hog?

ChunkyLover_53

Stercus Accidit wrote: »

Lemme guess, ammo hog?

He has a tendency to shoot through you rather than by you.

All that Rot Gut whiskey gave him the shooting hand of a 90 yr old.

Sarky

"When you absolutely HAVE to have something to drink, and you really don't care what it is... Choose ROTGUT!"

I did so love the sponsors of the boxing matches in New Reno...

Nevyn

Ahhh Black Isle you gave us so much joy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Isle_Studios

Retr0gamer

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Best way to play it I feel. If you **** up then face the consequences

It certainly sounds more interesting than simply "going by the book".

I played Fallout 3 through as a good character with high karma and did all the "good" missions, so I think I might play this one as a bit of a bastard Plus, it's more fun, all the diplomacy gets tiring.

Retr0gamer

Don't just go around shooting everyone. Be a complete arse to them through the dialogue choices and other actions. There's loads of humour to be had.
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Then shoot them.

Yitzhak Rabin

One of the most satisfying moments I had in Fallout 3 was marching straight into megaton, telling sims to take a hike, then blowing his head off and stealing his hat. Almost felt a bit of remorse when I went to loot his house and saw he had a son...almost. Then I realised later on I could slap a slave collar on him.

Being a bastard FTW!

Retr0gamer

My favourite story from Fallout 3 was my friend playing it for the first time. Walked into megaton and saw the sheriff guy and decided he wanted his gun so blew him away. Then things got out of hand akin to the fight scene in anchorman and before he knew it the whole town turned against him and he slaughtered them all. The guy just can't keep out of trouble in games you should see how bad his reputation is in Red Dead Redemption for doing similar things.