This is how to deal with the thieving politicians who destroyed Ireland

irishconvert

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/oct/01/ecuador-soldiers-rescue-besieged-president

Why is there no ourburst of anger from people in Ireland? Why are we so passive and accept everything that is thrown at us? Why has nobody paid the price for this mess we find ourselves in. The first thing that should happen is Fianna Fáil should be forced out of power right now. I am not advocating we do what has happened in Ecuador, but I believe the whole country should go on general strike until Brian Cowen makes the trip to Aras to dissolve the Dáil. Everyone should down tools, assemble outside leinster house and stay there until these theives step down. It is a complete joke that the political party that got us into this mess are still controlling the country.

Tim Robbins

irishconvert wrote: »

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/oct/01/ecuador-soldiers-rescue-besieged-president

Why is there no ourburst of anger from people in Ireland? Why are we so passive and accept everything that is thrown at us? Why has nobody paid the price for this mess we find ourselves in. The first thing that should happen is Fianna Fáil should be forced out of power right now. I am not advocating we do what has happened in Ecuador, but I believe the whole country should go on general strike until Brian Cowen makes the trip to Aras to dissolve the Dáil. Everyone should down tools, assemble outside leinster house and stay there until these theives step down. It is a complete joke that the political party that got us into this mess are still controlling the country.

What nonsense. I go on strike I loose my job. My company goes on strike we loose business and hence more jobs.

FF have played an excellant divide and conquer game here.

We have lost a fortune to the banks but the budget deficit is way worse. That problems exist outside of the banking crisis.

irishconvert

Tim Robbins wrote: »

What nonsense. I go on strike I loose my job. My company goes on strike we loose business and hence more jobs.

I understand your concerns. The point though is due to the damage a prolonged strike would do to the country, FF will be forced to step down. If the whole country stuck together and done it FF would be out of power in a matter of days.

P. Breathnach

irishconvert wrote: »

I understand your concerns. The point though is due to the damage a prolonged strike would do to the country, FF will be forced to step down. If the whole country stuck together and done it FF would be out of power in a matter of days.

Yeah, and our problems would not have gone away, and our incoming government would have to enforce draconian measures.

Next step: let's all go on strike and get the government out ...

irishconvert

P. Breathnach wrote: »

Yeah, and our problems would not have gone away, and our incoming government would have to enforce draconian measures.

Next step: let's all go on strike and get the government out ...

In what other walk of life to the people who made a gigantic **** up stay in power? If I made such a mess in my job I would be sacked immediately. FF are not the right people to lead us out of this mess.

Japer

The government is spending 50 billion and taking 30 billion in tax. Those who pay the 30 billion are much worse paid than the government,and their employees, in terms of pay and pensions. The best way to deal with the situation is for the private sector to stop collecting and submitting tax to the government ; vat, income tax, stamp duty etc. Then the EU / IMF will come in , and stop our government and their employees being the highest paid + pensioned in Europe. Hit them in the pocket, not reward them, thats how to deal with the people who run the country.

P. Breathnach

irishconvert wrote: »

... FF are not the right people to lead us out of this mess.

They are marginally better than mob rule.

Austerity

P. Breathnach wrote: »

They are marginally better than mob rule.

A bit of mob rule can be exciting as long as you're a part of the angry mob.

Tim Robbins

irishconvert wrote: »

I understand your concerns. The point though is due to the damage a prolonged strike would do to the country, FF will be forced to step down. If the whole country stuck together and done it FF would be out of power in a matter of days.

Do a petition.

Strikes are bad because they put pressure on people who don't want to strike and cause economic damage.

murphaph

irishconvert wrote: »

In what other walk of life to the people who made a gigantic **** up stay in power? If I made such a mess in my job I would be sacked immediately. FF are not the right people to lead us out of this mess.

We've had multiple opportunities to show FF the door over the past 15 years. We haven't. We're reaping what we've sown, unfortunately that includes the likes of me who did see the writing on the wall and stopped voting FF some years back as I disagreed with their "fanning the flames" of the property bubble approach. Clearly most people favoured their policies though.

johnboy_123

irishconvert wrote: »

In what other walk of life to the people who made a gigantic **** up stay in power? If I made such a mess in my job I would be sacked immediately. FF are not the right people to lead us out of this mess.

yeah but what it the alternitive...No other existing party has got the conhonies to do whats needed I doubt labour/FG or Sinn Fein will cut the public sector to where it needs to be...Nor will they cut the amount of TDs/Politicians or abolish the Seanad.....A good start would be that all TDs expenses are vouched..This is the crux of the problem for the average irish person the divil you know....best thing that could happen is the IMF coming in and sorting us out without any backhands or looking after there buddies.

irishconvert

johnboy_123 wrote: »

yeah but what it the alternitive...No other existing party has got the conhonies to do whats needed I doubt labour/FG or Sinn Fein will cut the public sector to where it needs to be...Nor will they cut the amount of TDs/Politicians or abolish the Seanad.....A good start would be that all TDs expenses are vouched..This is the crux of the problem for the average irish person the divil you know....best thing that could happen is the IMF coming in and sorting us out without any backhands or looking after there buddies.

So you think we should keep a complete **** up government in power without giving the others the opportunity to lead? I don't think they can do any worse than FF.

Bottle_of_Smoke

People are passive because benefits are so generous. Middle class people who pay the taxes aren't protesting types.

Have you done anything yourself irishconvert?

southsiderosie

As I said in a different thread, if even a third of the currently unemployed took over the streets surrounding Leinster house and refused to leave until elections were called, the Dail would be dissolved within a week.

hallelujajordan

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

People are passive because benefits are so generous. Middle class people who pay the taxes aren't protesting types.

Have you done anything yourself irishconvert?

What are you talking about . . he started this thread didn't he ?

The revolution starts online ! (its warmer and comfier here)

dvpower

irishconvert wrote: »

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/oct/01/ecuador-soldiers-rescue-besieged-president

Why is there no ourburst of anger from people in Ireland? Why are we so passive and accept everything that is thrown at us? Why has nobody paid the price for this mess we find ourselves in. The first thing that should happen is Fianna Fáil should be forced out of power right now. I am not advocating we do what has happened in Ecuador, but I believe the whole country should go on general strike until Brian Cowen makes the trip to Aras to dissolve the Dáil. Everyone should down tools, assemble outside leinster house and stay there until these theives step down. It is a complete joke that the political party that got us into this mess are still controlling the country.

After the strike is over and the government are deposed, what then?
The people who work in the public services and in the non competitive sectors return to work; everyone else whose businesses have gone to the wall during the strike go on the dole.

molard

what we need is straight talk .td get a fair wage.and treated like any other worker.expenses not a given and no pension till they retire .

F00t13f4n

I had a similar discussion to this at work this morning. We came to the conclusion that the current government are a bunch of fools.
HOWEVER - the opposition parties have had 3 years now to either come up with evidence of incompetence; name and shame a scapegoat; or come up with alternative measures to come through this. I haven't heard anything like this from any of them. All any of them have shown is they are more interested in politics than in leading the country through one of the most difficult times in its history.
Fianna Fáil led us where we are, but that's not to say they can't lead us out of here again. So I say keep the guilty party here, where we can watch them. The second someone else comes up with a viable alternative, jump at that. But dissolving a government just for the sake of it will only move the focus away from fixing the country for 3 months and won't have any positive effect.
That's my two cents anyway.

molard

the reason the opposition have not come up with a plan is because the do not know the facts.only those in government have the knowledge .but they as we have seen are only fools.don't know how to be pro active .party party and get the taxpayer to pay.spin doctors etc.

digme

irishconvert wrote: »

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/oct/01/ecuador-soldiers-rescue-besieged-president

Why is there no ourburst of anger from people in Ireland? Why are we so passive and accept everything that is thrown at us? Why has nobody paid the price for this mess we find ourselves in. The first thing that should happen is Fianna Fáil should be forced out of power right now. I am not advocating we do what has happened in Ecuador, but I believe the whole country should go on general strike until Brian Cowen makes the trip to Aras to dissolve the Dáil. Everyone should down tools, assemble outside leinster house and stay there until these theives step down. It is a complete joke that the political party that got us into this mess are still controlling the country.

Well maybe if you dubs got off your arses and did what your saying other counties would come up on trains buses cars etc to support you all.
Get off your asses.Or stop moaning.

irishconvert

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

Have you done anything yourself irishconvert?

I live in the UK. I would if I was there. Always the first to a protest for a worthy cause.

dvpower wrote: »

After the strike is over and the government are deposed, what then?
The people who work in the public services and in the non competitive sectors return to work; everyone else whose businesses have gone to the wall during the strike go on the dole.

I don't see a full out general strike lasting more than a few days before FF throw in the towel. It would be worth it to get rid of those muppets in control.

digme

yes exactly a few days they'd be gone

expectationlost

yeah cowen should say no more US military bases in ireland, shannon, and coup will sure to follow

southsiderosie

F00t13f4n wrote: »

I had a similar discussion to this at work this morning. We came to the conclusion that the current government are a bunch of fools.
HOWEVER - the opposition parties have had 3 years now to either come up with evidence of incompetence; name and shame a scapegoat; or come up with alternative measures to come through this. I haven't heard anything like this from any of them. All any of them have shown is they are more interested in politics than in leading the country through one of the most difficult times in its history.

What?!?!?! Have you been paying attention for the last two years? There is plenty of evidence of incompetence, from the management of the economy from 1999-2009, to the way the bank guarantee was handled (well, that is more malfeasance) to the fact that the government is so hell bent on trying to spin its way out of this, the Guardian all but called Brian Lenihan a liar today. I'm sorry, but I don't know how the evidence of government incompetence over the last decade is not blatantly obvious to any rational human being.

F00t13f4n wrote: »

Fianna Fáil led us where we are, but that's not to say they can't lead us out of here again. So I say keep the guilty party here, where we can watch them. The second someone else comes up with a viable alternative, jump at that. But dissolving a government just for the sake of it will only move the focus away from fixing the country for 3 months and won't have any positive effect.

So the reward for incompetence is to let the incompetents stay in power? Brilliant.

In some small way, not having elections may work out to be even worse for Fianna Fail than getting voted out of office: they will preside over the complete economic collapse of the country, and the destruction of the last shreds of socioeconomic sovereignty that Ireland has left.

F00t13f4n wrote: »

That's my two cents anyway.

Your two cents will be worth about a ha'penny when the ECB and IMF are through with you.

kwinabeeste

southsiderosie wrote: »

As I said in a different thread, if even a third of the currently unemployed took over the streets surrounding Leinster house and refused to leave until elections were called, the Dail would be dissolved within a week.

some of the longer term unemployed are too happy with big dole payments to do anything bout it! turkeys dont vote for christmas!

that could work with the recently unemployed tho!

southsiderosie

kwinabeeste wrote: »

some of the longer term unemployed are too happy with big dole payments to do anything bout it! turkeys dont vote for christmas!

LOL, point taken!