Fianna Fail Lies

RATM

I'd like to (with the help of others here) just record a list of blatant Fianna Fail lies. By lies what I mean is something they said would happen or was the case later turned out to be the complete opposite of what they claimed. I don't want disputed facts here, just facts that no-one rational would (at this stage) would even bother disputing as we all realise they are blatant lies, whether by design or accident.

I'll start, most of mine are more recent but if anyone has some from the Haughey & Ahern eras then by all means list them.

During the 2007 election-

Brian Cowen:-
'We (FF) are the best managers of the economy'
Clearly this has not been the case.

'We are heading for a soft landing'
We are still in the throws of an almighty crash where land has lost 90% of its Celtic Tiger values.


2008 Bank Guarantee Scheme & NAMA
Brian Lenehan:-
'This guarantee scheme is the cheapest in the world
This guarantee scheme is now turning out to be the world's most expensive.

NAMA will get lending from the banks flowing again
Clearly this is another lie, SME's are going to the wall every day because the banks won't lend to them.

And one from Cowen yesterday that I predict will turn out to be another falsehood.

We're going to create 300,000 jobs over the next five years
Not that they'll be in power for the next 5 years (or even months) but it's extremely difficult to find any kind of credibility in this statement.

Rosahane

I like the spin that now seems to be official FF line.

"we are where we are"
"we need to look forward not back"
"Fine Gael would have done the same"
"Labour have no policies"
"Gilmore deals in soundbites"
"Enda would be a terrible Taoiseach"

...etc.

Basically, blame the others on the basis that they either have no policies or had policies that could be reverse engineered to show that they would have done the same or worse than FF.

All arguements that are, of course, either illogical or blatently untrue.

The unfortunate thing is that they are gaining credence, helped of course by their buddies in RTE:mad:

BrianD

Bit of a pointless exercise starting an inventory of 'lies' now! I note that your list starts at 2007. Prior to this, the public were quite happy to accept anything that was said by the FF party that they voted into power again and again.

Perhaps a little soul searching and a little political and economic education might be more in order.

Scuid Mhór

RATM wrote: »

Brian Cowen:-
'We (FF) are the best managers of the economy'
Clearly this has not been the case.

lol indeed.

ILA

"We have turned a corner", although in fairness, he didn't give any specifics as to what was around the corner so if we end up in more slurry, then he probably has some defence.

gandalf

Heres a good one from 2008

"Now is the right time to buy. We have a duty to tell first-time house buyers, young couples with no previous experience, that there is unbelievable value in the marketplace today. It will not last forever. It is never the wrong time to do the right thing. I offer the House the benefit of my experience and my opinion which is all any Member can do. I will remind the House, perhaps in 12 or 18 months, when prices have again increased by 25% or 30%, that they were told this by the Leader of the House on this historic day, the tenth anniversary of the Good Friday Agreement." - Donie Cassidy FF leader of the Seanad - 10th April 2008

The_Minister

Rosahane wrote: »

I like the spin that now seems to be official FF line.

"we are where we are"
"we need to look forward not back"
"Fine Gael would have done the same"
"Labour have no policies"
"Gilmore deals in soundbites"
"Enda would be a terrible Taoiseach"

...etc.

Basically, blame the others on the basis that they either have no policies or had policies that could be reverse engineered to show that they would have done the same or worse than FF.

All arguements that are, of course, either illogical or blatently untrue.

The unfortunate thing is that they are gaining credence, helped of course by their buddies in RTE:mad:

"we are where we are" - Very true
"we need to look forward not back" - We need to do both, and focus more on the former.
"Fine Gael would have done the same" - True
"Labour have no policies" - Qualify it with 'economic' and it's very true.
"Gilmore deals in soundbites" - Yep, one big soundbite.
"Enda would be a terrible Taoiseach" - So, so, so true. He even sucks in opposition.

The Volt

Rosahane wrote: »

"we need to look forward not back"

The worst one by far. We need to re-visit the past in order to learn from our mistakes.

The Volt

The_Minister wrote: »

"Fine Gael would have done the same" - True

You can't argue a point based on what someone would have done if they were in power. Simply put, they weren't in power. If my aunt had balls etc.

digme

pack of amateurs

patchquinn

To be able to say a statement is a lie one has to be able to prove that the party making the statement has the intention of deceiving at the time of making it and that they know the reality is different to what they are stating. Saying something stupid is not a lie, saying something that goes against what the general populace accepts as reality is not a lie if the person perceives it to different. Basically you can accuse ff of making mistakes, being stupid, being deluded, but proving someone was lying is very very very difficult. And even if some of them were being deceptive it is almost impossible to establish this as a fact.. Sorry to be pedantic about it. Cassidy was deluded not a liar. most of the country was deluded for the last years of the tiger. Did we lie to ourselves? Maybe..... I'm not eating cheese before going to bed ever again...

yoshytoshy

Fianna fails legacy ,liars and bullies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-bSKsVDr_M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfjGSfuSQpA

bamboozle

when the underlying motives for existence as a party seem to be greed, corruption, neoptism and cronyism should we be suprised?

when former taoiseach and FF leader during the 'boom' Ahern has not had a tax clearance certificate from Revenue commissioners since 2002 should we be suprised?

if this country had rational voters Fianna Fail as a political party should have ceased to exist 2 years ago.

thankfully i've never voted for them in my life

InchicoreDude

if this country had rational voters Fianna Fail as a political party should have ceased to exist 2 years ago

It would have ceased a long time before that!

Colonel Sanders

yoshytoshy wrote: »

Fianna fails legacy ,liars and bullies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-bSKsVDr_M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfjGSfuSQpA

Lest we forget Lenihan senior:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLoDg_vwo8c

Seth Brundle

"It was Lehman's fault"

Colonel Sanders

http://debates.oireachtas.ie/DDebate.aspx?F=FIJ20090831.xml&Ex=All&Page=2

It is important to note that the bulk of the bonds in issue by Irish banks are not subordinated debt but debt of a far more fundamental character. They are ordinary senior debt bonds entered into by the banks. There is a perception in the media that senior bondholders are natural risk takers, aiming to achieve high rewards for taking high risk. That is not the case. Senior bondholders are usually and typically pension funds, insurance companies and other long-term providers of debt. I have pointed out in recent days that they also include credit unions. These bondholders provide loans for viable entities on the basis that they are senior to other creditors and are secure. In other words, they are in the same position as depositors. These same senior bond debt investors also buy Government debt and are an important source for keeping the economy funded. These senior bondholders are guaranteed under the Government guarantee scheme. Any suggestion these parties should be invited to consider a reduction in the amount repayable to them would have catastrophic effects for the banking system, the funding of the State and the wider economy. Many of these senior bondholders are trading companies in Irish commercial life with substantial numbers of employees.

But of course not long later

Credit union body angered at Anglo Irish link

The organisation representing credit unions has said that it invested just €99 million in Anglo Irish Bank bonds, and has called on the government to ‘‘cease referring to these investments as justification for guarantees and the continuation of Anglo Irish Bank’’.

maynooth_rules

bamboozle wrote: »

if this country had rational voters Fianna Fail as a political party should have ceased to exist 2 years ago.

Think this is the most important sentence muttered on this thread and it so so true. In any other country FF would be a non entity at this stage.

Fentdog84

FF are a bunch of pathelogical liars & gamblers. We as Irish for some reason are just prepared to put up with it..This one of the lads jobs for the boys culture its sickening..