Dail Live September 29th

the groutch

http://www.rte.ie/live/

thought it would be good to have a thread for reaction and comment on today's proceedings

leincar

Just watching it right now. Absolutely unbelievable, there are the grand total of 7 T.D's in the chamber at the moment.

NickDrake

No change there then.

JonathanAnon

Just took this screen capture five minutes ago..



Very few of them even bothered to show up.. :mad:

leincar

Leaders Questions just started.

the groutch

they're all in the Dail bar til the vote tonight

JonathanAnon

Cowan as uninspiring and dispassionate as ever, mumbling through his notes, looking up occasionally.. I really think they should make him a newsreader and let Ann Doyle run the country..

Kenny accusing Cowan of misleading the public over Anglo..

SarahBM

Cowen just spent about 6 or 7 minutes just mumbling and rambling. I have no idea what he was on about, and by the time he had finished I had forgotten the question that had been asked, and he probably didnt answer it either.

this guy is supposed to be the leader of our country and I can honestly say I believe we are the laughing stock of Europe.

Gilmore should have a right go!!!!! :mad:


and only about 18 people in the chamber. :mad:

the groutch

now he's seems to be resorting to personal attacks on Gilmore

JonathanAnon

Cowan saying that they should not question Barry O'Leary and another top level civil servant regarding their plans... Ascertaining that their judgement is above reproach.. Isnt this the same unwillingness to question that got us in to trouble with the banks.... I wish they had asked more questions of Pat Neary, the Dept. Of Finance, and the Central Bank, instead of assuming that they were beyond reproach... Seems like Cowan has learned nothing.

Coillte_Bhoy

JonathanAnon wrote: »

Just took this screen capture five minutes ago..



Very few of them even bothered to show up.. :mad:

How many times has this been brought up?? It doesnt matter how many of them are in the actual chamber. I suggest that posters giving about about this should read up on how the system actually works. Do you really want 166 members in the chamber at all times??? How in god's name would that achieve anything? Name one other parlaiment in the world that is any way much different. Seriously, think about it.

the groutch

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

How many times has this been brought up?? It doesnt matter how many of them are in the actual chamber. I suggest that posters giving about about this should read up on how the system actually works. Do you really want 166 members in the chamber at all times??? How in god's name would that achieve anything? Name one other parlaiment in the world that is any way much different. Seriously, think about it.

I'd like it to be more like the UK system where leader's questions goes beyond the opposition leaders and opens up the floor to backbenchers too, then you'd have a much fuller Dail.

whatawaster

Brian Cowen’s speed-reading of the order of business was unintelligible. Unbelievable stuff.

Mr.Micro

whatawaster wrote: »

Brian Cowen’s speed-reading of the order of business was unintelligible. Unbelievable stuff.

apparently he still does not know how much Anglo is going to cost.....what a tool.

SarahBM

the clip of Cowen speaking in the Dáil that Matt Cooper just played, sounds like Cowen is about to have a heart attack. he sounds completely out of breath.
Surely he should have a figure by now as to how much anglo is going to cost us!

P. Breathnach

Mr.Micro wrote: »

apparently he still does not know how much Anglo is going to cost....

Do you know? Does anybody know?

JonathanAnon

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

How many times has this been brought up?? It doesnt matter how many of them are in the actual chamber.

I know how the system works, but my point is ... Is it completely irrelevant for them to be there? Are they not voting on Anglo (which Cowan has been discussing albeit without giving a figure) ? Would they not think it's in their interest just to listen to the leader's response to the questions.. I mean they dont HAVE to spend long in the Dáil, it doesnt sit that many days... You might think they would have some interest in proceedings.

I spose if you were cynical you would say that the the Dáil itself IS only relevant for just the Cabinet and shadow Cabinets, not for the backbenchers (who are controlled in votes by the whip system anyway).

JonathanAnon

P. Breathnach wrote: »

Do you know? Does anybody know?

That's what I dont understand as well. He has already given projected figures on what it is gonna cost, and they have all been wrong.. What is to say when he releases the new projection that this is gonna be correct? Nearly every figure Lenihan and Cowan have given us have turned out to be wrong on the banking issue.

They are saying that by knowing the true figure that this will introduce stability and hopefully help reduce the interest rates we are paying on future borrowings. But, if you were one of Ireland inc.'s future creditors, how could you BELIEVE in any figures posted by this Government?

Itssoeasy

The Ceann Comhairle will love this answer apparently.

Itssoeasy

Kicking off now haha.

Itssoeasy

"which number is it?"

Seanohea

Some waffle coming out of Enda Kenny at the moment, very hard to listen to him, i'm surprised Alan Shatter doesnt fall asleep beside him

Mr.Micro

P. Breathnach wrote: »

Do you know? Does anybody know?

I certainly do not know and Cowen either....but it is clear Anglo will be funded at any cost so long as the golden circle is taken care of and before this shambles of a Government collapses and to hell with the rest of the country.

jmayo

Seanohea wrote: »

Some waffle coming out of Enda Kenny at the moment, very hard to listen to him, i'm surprised Alan Shatter doesnt fall asleep beside him

That waffling as you label it is about holding the three by elections and the fact that Donegal South West has not had it's constitutionally laid out representation with nearly a year and a half.
The fact that Waterford hasn't had it's quota of TDs for 7 months and that similarly Dublin South hasn't it's quota of elected representatives for over year since George Lee legged it.

He also said he was going to High Court to push for writs to be moved for by elections in Dublin and Waterford as SF did with Donegal.

Sorry he wasn't speaking in soundbytes for those you dip into politics every now or then or want to listen to bluster from Happy Gilmore.

Now try and keep up.
Looking like the motion will be defeated he is off to the High Court.
Thankfully he won't be getting willie o'dea to sign any papers. :rolleyes:

hallelujajordan

jmayo wrote: »

That waffling as you label it is about holding the three by elections and the fact that Donegal South West has not had it's constitutionally laid out representation with nearly a year and a half.
The fact that Waterford hasn't had it's quota of TDs for 7 months and that similarly Dublin South hasn't it's quota of elected representatives for over year since George Lee legged it.

Do you want to explain where in the constitution there is laid out a representation for Donegal South West and where such a constitutional provision is being breached (with reference to the actual document please) ?

And isn't Mr Kenny himself somewhat responsible for the Dublin South situation. Had he run a politician instead of a media soundbite boy two years ago, perhaps he would still have that seat ?

Denerick

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

How many times has this been brought up?? It doesnt matter how many of them are in the actual chamber. I suggest that posters giving about about this should read up on how the system actually works. Do you really want 166 members in the chamber at all times??? How in god's name would that achieve anything? Name one other parlaiment in the world that is any way much different. Seriously, think about it.

Its the typical logical flaw 'if I can't see you then you're not working'. Dáil committees are typically full and its the very rare TD in Ireland who isn't inundated by committee work. Most effective politics happens outside the chamber anyway.

leincar

Michael Noonan is strangely impressive. I've been watching for the last few hours and at the next election would be tending towards Fine Gael, having said that and considering the issuses being debated today I am hugely disappointed with the turnout in the chamber by Fine Gael deputies.

I know, I'm going to whisper it quietly, but Labour so far today have looked and acted the best.

seanegan84

Dear Mr. Cowen,
I am writting to you because I feel we need to right a wrong. It appears that you believe that the citizens of this wonderful nation of Ireland are fungi. You may be a very wise man but in this case you are wrong... this is a plee for you to stop treating the people of Ireland like mushrooms, stop feeding us ****e and keeping us in the dark.
Treat us like the edumacated people we have become thanks to the subsidy from our government. Unite our people, reignite our sense of national pride, give us direction and if anything be a leader, take control, talk(don't address) to our nation, inspire, be rational, stop fighting among yourselves and the media and give Éire all of your energy.
Long after we are gone she will be here, long after the ink of cheques have faded, Long after Kerry hits 100 football All-Irelands, Long after the next crisis is being studdied in hostory, Lead her to safety, make your decision for the common good of our beautiful nation.
As it is mentioned in the Constitution of Ireland
"Article 6
1. All powers of government, legislative, executive and judicial, derive, under God, from the people, whose right it is to designate the rulers of the State and, in final appeal, to decide all questions of national policy, according to the requirements of the common good."

That's all for now, what's on your mind?
Kind Regards,
Sean

P.S. Anarchy anyone? :P

maynooth_rules

leincar wrote: »

Michael Noonan is strangely impressive. I've been watching for the last few hours and at the next election would be tending towards Fine Gael, having said that and considering the issuses being debated today I am hugely disappointed with the turnout in the chamber by Fine Gael deputies.

I know, I'm going to whisper it quietly, but Labour so far today have looked and acted the best.

He is indeed very impressive, but all that so many poeple remember about him is one RTE show and one massive cock up he made. Biffo and lenihan have made monumental cock ups in the last 2 years yet they are not tainted in it the way some people have a tainted view of Noonan. i for one am delighted to see more Noonan

goose2005

JonathanAnon wrote: »

Just took this screen capture five minutes ago..



Very few of them even bothered to show up.. :mad:

Those funerals won't attend themselves, and with the healthcare cuts will become even more common.

Coillte_Bhoy

leincar wrote: »

Michael Noonan is strangely impressive. I've been watching for the last few hours and at the next election would be tending towards Fine Gael, having said that and considering the issuses being debated today I am hugely disappointed with the turnout in the chamber by Fine Gael deputies.

I know, I'm going to whisper it quietly, but Labour so far today have looked and acted the best.

But why?? Are you truly influenced by the grandsatanding that packed FG benches today, baying at the Govt, might have produced?