Deer rifle

fish slapped

As some of ye will know I'm still waiting on the licence for the AI in 308, but was thinking of a lighter rifle for next years deer season (some thing a little bit lighter ).

Would the powers that be allow a second licence for another .308 - 1 for target and 2nd for deer?

If not I always like the thought of a .270, I know some people say their a meat muncher, any opinions?

I've also had ( years ago) and liked the 6.5x55 swede - opinions?

Thanks,

Fish

PS anyone got a Hcap manual gathering dust it would be much appreciated.

patsat

Ring your super and ask! I'm sure if you explained they would understand the need for it!

.270 is a cracking round by the way

It wasn't me!

Shouldn't be an issue if you want a second .308, but the .270 is a real cracker. I have a .25-06 and it's silly flat. The .270 is probably a better all-rounder, just for the extra bullet weight and a bit of extra velocity. It's what I'd have if I were you. Lots of Sako 75s and the like in .270 around as well. That'd be my choice anyway.

patsat

Ya you should be able to get a good .270 for easy money as lots of dealers can't sell them!

With a mod on them they very comfortable to shoot and nothing will get back up once they are hit!

It wasn't me!

patsat wrote: »

Ya you should be able to get a good .270 for easy money as lots of dealers can't sell them!

With a mod on them they very comfortable to shoot and nothing will get back up once they are hit!

Too many people talk waffle about them being big kickers. They're not at all. However, it's to your benefit if you're looking for one, because as patsat says, thanks to all that waffle, people are afraid of them. My .25-06 has nearly the same recoil and I shoot it without a mod. It's ridiculously loud, but the recoil is perfectly fine. If I could, I'd have a .270 for an all-rounder, but due to funds and licensing constraints, I expect my general purpose rifle is going to end up a .300 win mag until I can get a .270 as well. Stonking round.

clivej

FS
You'v read the book, you'v heard the news, the grapevine has the latest story, the people at the water font are all talking about it.

"What cal should I get for stalking"

You already know what your going to get you just need a good shove to get you to make your mind up.

.308 .308 .308 .308 .308 .308

fish slapped

Ha HA HA ...:D

probably but that depends on the super ...don't it?

Tackleberrywho

fish slapped wrote: »

As some of ye will know I'm still waiting on the licence for the AI in 308, but was thinking of a lighter rifle for next years deer season (some thing a little bit lighter ).

Would the powers that be allow a second licence for another .308 - 1 for target and 2nd for deer?

If not I always like the thought of a .270, I know some people say their a meat muncher, any opinions?

I've also had ( years ago) and liked the 6.5x55 swede - opinions? The 6.5x55 is very good on Fallow but ammo is more expensive than the .308
Thanks,

Fish

What ever you get, get a short barrel, with a mod on.
Much more plesant to shoot, and much moer comfort hunting with no noise worth mentioning.

I've a 20" Remington VTR "Semi Pimped" with a Reflex mod on board. She is a smidgen more recoil with the mod on than the .223 with the mod on and is serious accurate for an under a grand rifle!.

.308 is a serious versatile round.
I'm currently using 125grain HPS .308's which are almost as flat shooting as my .223!!

patsat

Don't listen to dem fish!!

Get a .270! Jw can't be wrong! :P

meathshooter1

I used to stalk with a sako trg it done the job fine but I dont know myself since I got my sako 75 .308 especailly after a long stalk ,have a chat with your super I was lucky got on well with mine.308 is a great round I also use a 243 for sika/fallow but find the 308 the best for red,also handy for ammo most dealers will stock a good selection

deerhunter1

clivej wrote: »

FS
You'v read the book, you'v heard the news, the grapevine has the latest story, the people at the water font are all talking about it.

"What cal should I get for stalking"

You already know what your going to get you just need a good shove to get you to make your mind up.

.308 .308 .308 .308 .308 .308

Ya Ya Ya Ya all the way 308 308 308 308

fish slapped

OK,

Poll up take your pick and then I'll probably make up my own mind anyway.:eek:

See if you can sway me!!!:D

It wasn't me!

For me, it's the .270 over the .308, simply because it takes more of the complications out in terms of accurately assessing drop and wind drift, and because it carries a bit more poke at the far end. I've used 300 as a maximum range to evaluate it simply because it's a fairly typical maximum for most people in field conditions to get off an accurate shot in a reasonable timeframe, so the comparison is as follows, using typical bullet weights of 130gr for the .270 and 150gr for the .308. This works because they're what most people shooting either of those calibres are going to find themselves using.

At the muzzle, the .270 puts out that 130gr pill at 3060 fps, for 2703 ft/lb of energy. The .308 spits the 150gr pill out at 2820 fps, for 2648 ft/lbs. The difference at the muzzle is negligible, with only about fifty ft/lbs between the two. However, at 300 yards, the .270 is carrying 1566 ft/lbs of energy, while the .308 is now carrying 1341, the gap widening to over two hundred ft/lbs, in favour of the .270. The .270 also drifts nearly three inches less at 300 yards in a 10mph crosswind, with 7.6" as against the 10.4" of the .308 bullet. It's much flatter shooting too. With a 200 yard zero, the .270 is 1.5" high at 100 yards and 6.7" low at 300, while the .308 is 2" high at 100 and 8.8" low at 300 for the same 200 yard zero. While the numbers are different, it's important to note that it's probably not going to make much of a difference on deer sized game inside 300 yards and that your own errors might well be worth more than the difference between the bullets in terms of drift and drop, but the fact that the .270 carries more energy downrange and holds it better seals it for me. The fact that the drift and drop are better is just a sweetener really.

I got the data using the Federal website and both bullets are the cheapest Federal Powershok Speer loads for their respective cartridges. It's much of a muchness, and if you wanted a rifle to take abroad for boar or anything a bit bigger, I'll vote the .30 calibre every time, but for a deer rifle for the UK and Ireland only? .270 is just so idiot-proof it's hard to find a reason not to own one.

kay 9

Don't get one of these in a .270 anyway, or any other calibre as far as I'm concerened. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbizDZq5rug&feature=related

johngalway

These cals are out of my league at the moment but I bet you get a .308 :P

I'd get a .270 (or .25-06 like IWM) to try it out if I was buying, but I'm not.

Tackleberrywho

It wasn't me! wrote: »

For me, it's the .270 over the .308, simply because it takes more of the complications out in terms of accurately assessing drop and wind drift, and because it carries a bit more poke at the far end. I've used 300 as a maximum range to evaluate it simply because it's a fairly typical maximum for most people in field conditions to get off an accurate shot in a reasonable timeframe, so the comparison is as follows, using typical bullet weights of 130gr for the .270 and 150gr for the .308. This works because they're what most people shooting either of those calibres are going to find themselves using.

At the muzzle, the .270 puts out that 130gr pill at 3060 fps, for 2703 ft/lb of energy. The .308 spits the 150gr pill out at 2820 fps, for 2648 ft/lbs. The difference at the muzzle is negligible, with only about fifty ft/lbs between the two. However, at 300 yards, the .270 is carrying 1566 ft/lbs of energy, while the .308 is now carrying 1341, the gap widening to over two hundred ft/lbs, in favour of the .270. The .270 also drifts nearly three inches less at 300 yards in a 10mph crosswind, with 7.6" as against the 10.4" of the .308 bullet. It's much flatter shooting too. With a 200 yard zero, the .270 is 1.5" high at 100 yards and 6.7" low at 300, while the .308 is 2" high at 100 and 8.8" low at 300 for the same 200 yard zero. While the numbers are different, it's important to note that it's probably not going to make much of a difference on deer sized game inside 300 yards and that your own errors might well be worth more than the difference between the bullets in terms of drift and drop, but the fact that the .270 carries more energy downrange and holds it better seals it for me. The fact that the drift and drop are better is just a sweetener really.

I got the data using the Federal website and both bullets are the cheapest Federal Powershok Speer loads for their respective cartridges. It's much of a muchness, and if you wanted a rifle to take abroad for boar or anything a bit bigger, I'll vote the .30 calibre every time, but for a deer rifle for the UK and Ireland only? .270 is just so idiot-proof it's hard to find a reason not to own one.

i hate to sour the .308 slow label, 125grain 2995fps

And I've not tried out the hornady TaPS 110grain Ballistic Tips, CLAIMED 3175FPS!!

Now all that in the Humble .308

It wasn't me!

johngalway wrote: »

These cals are out of my league at the moment but I bet you get a .308 :P

I'd get a .270 (or .25-06 like IWM) to try it out if I was buying, but I'm not.

If I try the .25-06 on any foxes I'll let you know how I get on John. It's about as flat as a .223, just louder and harder hitting, but drift is pretty good on it, only 6.9" at 300 yards with the 117gr Sierra Gameking I'm using. The 100gr Nosler ballistic tip, 1.2" high at 100 yards, dead on at 200 and 5.9" low at 300 is the quintessential dual purpose bullet in it, and there's an 85gr ballistic tip specifically as a varminting bullet going out at 3550 fps which is 0.9" high at 100 and 5" low at 300 with a 200 yard zero. That's a proper point and shoot round for foxes. You'll never bother your arse judging distance again!

It wasn't me!

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

i hate to sour the .308 slow label, 125grain 2995fps

And I've not tried out the hornady TaPS 110grain Ballistic Tips, CLAIMED 3175FPS!!

Now all that in the Humble .308

Yeah, and that's not as fast as the .270 with a heavier bullet. Now, get the figures for retained energy and velocity downrange and that comparatively stubby little bullet isn't looking so good. Your wind drift and drop is also going to be significantly worse than that 130gr .270.

In fact, because you're bringing higher quality bullets into it, let's look at the 130gr Nosler ballistic tip for the .270, and we get the following:

3060fps at the muzzle; 2424 at 300 yards
2703 ft/lbs at the muzzle; 1695 at 300 yards
6.4" of wind drift at 300 yards
Trajectory of 1.4" high at 100 yards and 6.4" low at 300 yards with a 200 yard zero.

To be blunt, your short, light-for-calibre 125gr .308 bullet isn't going to come close. Velocity will be several hundred feet per second slower at 300 yards, retained energy will be very low, wind drift will be high and it'll drop very fast as its velocity is lost.

kay 9

It wasn't me! wrote: »

If I try the .25-06 on any foxes I'll let you know how I get on John. It's about as flat as a .223, just louder and harder hitting, but drift is pretty good on it, only 6.9" at 300 yards with the 117gr Sierra Gameking I'm using. The 100gr Nosler ballistic tip, 1.2" high at 100 yards, dead on at 200 and 5.9" low at 300 is the quintessential dual purpose bullet in it, and there's an 85gr ballistic tip specifically as a varminting bullet going out at 3550 fps which is 0.9" high at 100 and 5" low at 300 with a 200 yard zero. That's a proper point and shoot round for foxes. You'll never bother your arse judging distance again!

Is their any chance of licencing one for primarily foxing I wonder. Be the dogs if it's that flat. Whats the price of ammo like for a suitable fox round in the 25-06? Cheers

It wasn't me!

kay 9 wrote: »

Is their any chance of licencing one for primarily foxing I wonder. Be the dogs if it's that flat. Whats the price of ammo like for a suitable fox round in the 25-06? Cheers

Depends on your super every time, but it's a perfectly good round if you need foxes out to long distances. I'm the first to state that shots shouldn't be taken at long range, but if it's the only way to hit them, then a round that carries energy downrange, has low drift and handy drop is the way to go. With that 85gr Ballistic Tip has 15" of drop and 13.3" of wind drift at 400 yards, which is easy to hold off, so even out to 400 yards, that's good. Now, it's not cheap. The Federal Premium stuff will come in or around the €40-45 mark a box, but it can be had cheaper from some places. Keeping quiet on them though, may yet need to call on them in the next while.

bunny shooter

I'd go for 6.5x55

johngalway

It wasn't me! wrote: »

If I try the .25-06 on any foxes I'll let you know how I get on John.

I imagine it'll go something along the lines of *Bang - Splat!*

If I was getting one specifically for foxes (which I wouldn't be TBH). I'd get a few well known farmers back up and make the argument, if it applied, that the land I hunt is subject to very strong winds. That some foxes need to be shot in an urgent - but safe - manner at lambing time and often these can be wary of the lamp. Use the ballistics of the round to make your case, and the farmers on side to show the need.

Be a lot better, IMO, to apply for it as a deer & fox round.

I had another bit to that argument but it's gone right out of my head. Starting to wonder about this early onset craic the last while...

tfox

bunny shooter wrote: »

I'd go for 6.5x55

Me too

Tackleberrywho

It wasn't me! wrote: »

Yeah, and that's not as fast as the .270 with a heavier bullet. Now, get the figures for retained energy and velocity downrange and that comparatively stubby little bullet isn't looking so good. Your wind drift and drop is also going to be significantly worse than that 130gr .270.

In fact, because you're bringing higher quality bullets into it, let's look at the 130gr Nosler ballistic tip for the .270, and we get the following:

3060fps at the muzzle; 2424 at 300 yards
2703 ft/lbs at the muzzle; 1695 at 300 yards
6.4" of wind drift at 300 yards
Trajectory of 1.4" high at 100 yards and 6.4" low at 300 yards with a 200 yard zero.

To be blunt, your short, light-for-calibre 125gr .308 bullet isn't going to come close. Velocity will be several hundred feet per second slower at 300 yards, retained energy will be very low, wind drift will be high and it'll drop very fast as its velocity is lost.

yes, but at €10 a box and upwards a lot to be said for the Humble .308.

Anywho There be no Elk left in this country so all these foot pounds do be wasted.

I'd venture to say that in the proper configuration that less is more.
All I ever see with .270 guys is a big bang and groups widening after 5 or 10 shots fired, unless they have a mod or a break on-board.

Any of the above Rifles will kill deer in Ireland.

Just the .308 and .270 will do it with a little more ease than the 6.5 or the .243.

It all depends on whether you have no interest in the fore quarters or not as a .270 makes mince meat of a shoulder of venison.

fish slapped

As I already have 4 other rifles. this rifle would be purely for deer and I reckon 3-4 boxes of ammo would see me out the season.

So I don't want to spend a fortune on the rifle, but want it to reasonably accurate. ( lots of secondhand 270's around.)

Don't mind the cost of the ammo, as I'll be buying so little of it.

Want something which can handle a red but in a lite stalking rifle.(243 & 6.5 ??)
( I know the 6.5 is used for moose but then your limited to the 155gr mega)

Tackleberrywho

fish slapped wrote: »

As I already have 4 other rifles. this rifle would be purely for deer and I reckon 3-4 boxes of ammo would see me out the season.

So I don't want to spend a fortune on the rifle, but want it to reasonably accurate. ( lots of secondhand 270's around.)

Don't mind the cost of the ammo, as I'll be buying so little of it.

Want something which can handle a red but in a lite stalking rifle.(243 & 6.5 ??)
( I know the 6.5 is used for moose but then your limited to the 155gr mega)

6.5 will drop fallow no probs, I have never shot a red though.
The 120 grain norma Nosler are the Dogs Boll*x of a round in 6.5x55.

Back in the day I was quoted €64 a box :eek:

I find messing out testing burns through more rounds than anything.
One box could do a season (20 deer is a lot of red meat)

The other couple of boxes disappear fast if you shout groups at different ranges to test etc.100,200,300 etc.

deerhunter1

fish slapped wrote: »

As I already have 4 other rifles. this rifle would be purely for deer and I reckon 3-4 boxes of ammo would see me out the season.

So I don't want to spend a fortune on the rifle, but want it to reasonably accurate. ( lots of secondhand 270's around.)

Don't mind the cost of the ammo, as I'll be buying so little of it.

Want something which can handle a red but in a lite stalking rifle.(243 & 6.5 ??)
( I know the 6.5 is used for moose but then your limited to the 155gr mega)

308 308 308 why do you think there are a lot of 2nd hand 270's about?(they traded in for 308's:rolleyes:) you try trade one in and see what the FD's will Bull--it you with. 6.5 Ugh

It wasn't me!

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

yes, but at €10 a box and upwards a lot to be said for the Humble .308.

The fact that there's cheap ammo is completely irrelevant if that's not the ammo you're going to be using in it. Hunting quality ammo costs much the same for any deer-level centrefire rifle.

Anywho There be no Elk left in this country so all these foot pounds do be wasted.

No they don't. Why do you have a .308 rather than a .22-250?

I'd venture to say that in the proper configuration that less is more.
All I ever see with .270 guys is a big bang and groups widening after 5 or 10 shots fired, unless they have a mod or a break on-board.

It's not a big kicker at all. It's loud, but that's not a problem when practising with ear defenders. I find it hard to believe that you're finding people who can easily shoot a .308, but not a .270, since the felt recoil is about the same, with the interesting differences all downrange.

Any of the above Rifles will kill deer in Ireland.

Just the .308 and .270 will do it with a little more ease than the 6.5 or the .243.

Sure, they all will, but nobody goes out to spend however many hundreds or thousands of euro on an adequate gun. You go out to spend your money on the rifle that's perfect for you.

It all depends on whether you have no interest in the fore quarters or not as a .270 makes mince meat of a shoulder of venison.

Not if the shot is properly placed it won't. Any calibre will destroy meat if it's not placed right.

pedroeibar1

I'm only a learner, but I would like this
http://www.sportsmanguncentre.co.uk/product/764bc72f5ad3684461291968/SAKO+85+Hunter+%2728Wood+%272F+Blued%2729+ZEISS+COMBO/

P.

deerhunter1

pedroeibar1 wrote: »

I'm only a learner, but I would like this
http://www.sportsmanguncentre.co.uk/product/764bc72f5ad3684461291968/SAKO+85+Hunter+%2728Wood+%272F+Blued%2729+ZEISS+COMBO/

P.

Yep in 308:D

poulo6.5

pedroeibar1 wrote: »

I'm only a learner, but I would like this
http://www.sportsmanguncentre.co.uk/product/764bc72f5ad3684461291968/SAKO+85+Hunter+%2728Wood+%272F+Blued%2729+ZEISS+COMBO/

P.

That's a great deal. All quality stuff.
Cal wise it's just a matter of which one you want as they are all capable of taking a deer in the hands of a hunter that can both shoot and knows their prey.
I have shoot red, sika and fallow with my 6.5x55 and I had no complaints from the deer. When I changed my rifle I had to get it in .308 as that was the cal of the rifle I wanted. So far I have taken fallow and sima with the .308 and will soon be hunting red so I will be able to pass Full judgment on .308 then

All ft/ lb and fps aside you will be shooting most of your deer between 80 and 150 yards and probably not past 250 yards. So all that mumbojumbo really doesn't come into it.
So with all that in mind. What cal do you want

Any shooting past that and you will have to know your drops and Windage regardless of how fast or flat the round is.

Have you considered a 7mm 08. Just to throw a spanner in the works

Kramer

poulo6.5 wrote: »

Have you considered a 7mm 08. Just to throw a spanner in the works

+1

Everything the .270 has in a short action & quieter with lower recoil.
139gr Hornady SST specs.

tfox

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

6.5 will drop fallow no probs, I have never shot a red though.
The 120 grain norma Nosler are the Dogs Boll*x of a round in 6.5x55.

Back in the day I was quoted €64 a box :eek:

I find messing out testing burns through more rounds than anything.
One box could do a season (20 deer is a lot of red meat)

The other couple of boxes disappear fast if you shout groups at different ranges to test etc.100,200,300 etc.

I have neck and chest shot plenty of red with my 6.5 spitting out 140gr federals. They performed excellent out to 200 wihish is furthest i'd normally shoot at. Zeroed 1 inch high at 100 leaves it 2 inches low at 200 which is quite managable.I had a .270 and changed because the muzzle flip was quite high, with the 6.5 its much easier to watch my shot reaction.Have to agree on the price of ammo, before every season I go through 5 or 6 boxes punching holes in paper practising and checking my zero and drops, whereas 2 boxes generally does me the season.Just my 2 cents worth

Tackleberrywho

Interesting to see how the vote is going.

I'm wondering are the votes a direct indication of owners?

I would have thought 6.5x55 was more common as it has been in circu,lation here slightly longer than .308.

At one time every second lad shooting deer had one.
I was at a few deer society shoots in the late 90's and it was one of teh most common calibres there.

I would also be interested to see if anyone uses a different calibre on deer.
Something other than .243 .25-06 .270 .308 or 6.6x55.
(4000 post yahoo)

CJhaughey

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

I would also be interested to see if anyone uses a different calibre on deer.
Something other than .243 .25-06 .270 .308 or 6.6x55.
(4000 post yahoo)

There is a few with .300 win mags

It wasn't me!

CJhaughey wrote: »

There is a few with .300 win mags

Aye, including myself when I've the money for a re-barrelling and a few bits of work I'd like done. Way too much gun for most stuff, but if you've only got one, it needs to be easily capable of the biggest and toughest thing you want to shoot

Feidhlim Dignan

is the 7mm08 just a necked down .308?

Tikka Jim

Feidhlim Dignan wrote: »

is the 7mm08 just a necked down .308?

Yes, so is the .243. The 25-06 and .270 are necked down 30-06's.

fish slapped

Which ever cal. it is , one of these will be going on the end of it:

http://www.wildcatrifles.co.uk/full-specification.html
:D

dwighet

Tikka Jim wrote: »

Yes, so is the .243. The 25-06 and .270 are necked down 30-06's.

its not "just" a necked down 308...Its far superior than any 243 and 308:D:D
But im extreamly biased;)

patsat

dwighet wrote: »

its not "just" a necked down 308...Its far superior than any 243 and 308:D:D
But im extreamly biased;)

Fair point just like the .270 is far superior to the 25-06 or the 30-06.....

Now that I thimk of it .270 is far superior to them all!:D:D

And I'm not biased I own a 22-250! :P

dwighet

patsat wrote: »

Fair point just like the .270 is far superior to the 25-06 or the 30-06.....

Now that I thimk of it .270 is far superior to them all!:D:D

And I'm not biased I own a 22-250! :P

Right you are Pat;)
But when push comes to shove...Out comes the win mag:eek:

I do have a soft spot for the .270 though...one day maybe..;)

clivej

dwighet wrote: »

its not "just" a necked down 308...Its far superior than any 243 and 308:D:D
But im extreamly biased;)

And it dropped that BIG Sika stag over the weekend didn't it. ;);)

dwighet

clivej wrote: »

And it dropped that BIG Sika stag over the weekend didn't it. ;);)

indeeden it did...:D:D
125 pounds of dinner
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GixxerThou

dwighet wrote: »

Right you are Pat;)
But when push comes to shove...Out comes the win mag:eek:

I do have a soft spot for the .270 though...one day maybe..;)

Ive used .270 and .243 the last 4 seasons, changed .243 for .300 win mag this year and the .270 hasnt been out of the safe since.. Shootin 150g norma nosler bt in the win mag with no more recoil than 130s in the .270 and they have serious stopping power. Ive never had this confidence in a round or caliber before.. Fantastic long range hunting kit.

GixxerThou

It wasn't me! wrote: »

Yeah, and that's not as fast as the .270 with a heavier bullet. Now, get the figures for retained energy and velocity downrange and that comparatively stubby little bullet isn't looking so good. Your wind drift and drop is also going to be significantly worse than that 130gr .270.

In fact, because you're bringing higher quality bullets into it, let's look at the 130gr Nosler ballistic tip for the .270, and we get the following:

3060fps at the muzzle; 2424 at 300 yards
2703 ft/lbs at the muzzle; 1695 at 300 yards
6.4" of wind drift at 300 yards
Trajectory of 1.4" high at 100 yards and 6.4" low at 300 yards with a 200 yard zero.

To be blunt, your short, light-for-calibre 125gr .308 bullet isn't going to come close. Velocity will be several hundred feet per second slower at 300 yards, retained energy will be very low, wind drift will be high and it'll drop very fast as its velocity is lost.

.270 also works better with short barrel.. have mine at 20 inches.. handy when usin a can.. 130g feds still pushin 2980

It wasn't me!

GixxerThou wrote: »

.270 also works better with short barrel.. have mine at 20 inches.. handy when usin a can.. 130g feds still pushin 2980

That's a good velocity. I like a bit more barrel length for handling reasons as I'm not using a can. A decent medium sporter profile of about 22 or 23" in the .270 though would be nice, and wouldn't heat too badly.

GixxerThou

It wasn't me! wrote: »

That's a good velocity. I like a bit more barrel length for handling reasons as I'm not using a can. A decent medium sporter profile of about 22 or 23" in the .270 though would be nice, and wouldn't heat too badly.

Yea its not great to shoot without the can, very hard to keep steady with the short barrel. Loud as fook too!

It wasn't me!

GixxerThou wrote: »

Yea its not great to shoot without the can, very hard to keep steady with the short barrel. Loud as fook too!

Aye, blast off those fast little long action cartridges is pretty vicious. Mine's the standard Sako 22 1/2" barrel and it's viciously loud with the .25-06.

GixxerThou

It wasn't me! wrote: »

Aye, blast off those fast little long action cartridges is pretty vicious. Mine's the standard Sako 22 1/2" barrel and it's viciously loud with the .25-06.

Yea the .25-06 is a barky caliber too.. always been keen on one but I dont think it would be better than the .270..