If I get a British passport, would I still be of Irish nationality?

Johno91

Im not going to go into my reasons for getting it, but if I got one and continued to live here, would I remain an Irish citizen (i.e. would I miss out on anything which holders of an Irish passport get?)

Agent Smith

you can carry both, you just cant claim assistence from the Irish embassy in the uk if you are arrested, as you are a british subject

tolosenc

No

Oranage2

You can have the two passports you know

starbelgrade

If you're entitled to dual nationality, then it's not a problem.

jugger0

Traitor.









:pac:

karlog

You'd be half British, half Irish. A half-caste basically.

filthymcnasty

You would forsake both nationalities and be stuck in limbo, spending your remaining days living at the airport. Just hope its not Shannon.

Lapin

A British passport will afford you the same rights as any other British subject under British law. As Agent Smith said above, this will not matter unless you find yourself in trouble in British territory. In this case the Department of Foreign Affairs here will not be able to assist as you will be deemed a British citizen by virtue of your documentation, regardless of your Irish background.

Technically speaking, your nationally would be British if you hold a sole passport.
However its likely that you may qualify for dual nationality and legitimately possess a passport from both Ireland and The UK, just like thousands of others.

Furthermore, under EU law all passport holders by citizens of member states are recognised as EU passports which entitle the bearer to equal status within the European Union.

Regarding visas for travel outside the EU, a British passport will probably open more doors than an Irish one. Employment opportunities and work visas in Commonwealth countries and the USA are easier to obtain with a British passport.

An Irish passport may be more useful if travelling in some countries where Britain has been in conflict with in recent years. However these countries are also listed in the Department of Foreign Affairs list of territories where it is advisable not to visit. Furthermore, border control guards in some of these parts may never have heard of Ireland, let alone find it on a map, and Ireland doesn't maintain diplomatic relations with many of them.

Regarding nationality, if you take that to mean a sense of identity, then it doesn't matter if there is a crown or a harp on the front of your little brown book with your photo in it. Its what you feel inside that counts and fuk anyone who tells you otherwise.

Best of luck.

fonecrusher1

Thread destined to turn into Ireland v's England type bullsh!t.

old_aussie

You can take the man out of Ireland, but you cannot take Ireland out of the man.

Fratton Fred

It's citizen, not subject. Unless the OP is about 90 years old.

Hogzy

Agent Smith wrote: »

you can carry both, you just cant claim assistence from the Irish embassy in the uk if you are arrested, as you are a british subject

You can claim assistance from any EU embassy as long as you have an EU passport.

Zebra3

A visa to enter Russia is cheaper for Irish passport holders than for those with British ones.

BluesBerry

An Irish passport would be safer to have than a British one

Victoria.

BluesBerry wrote: »

An Irish passport would be safer to have than a British one

True. American is probably the most dangerous followed by British.

mikemac

I may be completely wrong but....

Is it true that if your parents were born before 1948, then they are entitled to a British passport and then so are you?
Ireland became a Republic after this

Read that somewhere, no idea if it's true

Zebra3

No, it's not the case.

Rebelheart

Johno91 wrote: »

Im not going to go into my reasons for getting it, but if I got one and continued to live here, would I remain an Irish citizen (i.e. would I miss out on anything which holders of an Irish passport get?)

Want to get into the States and the Irish passport isn't doing the business because you took the piss out of your last entry into the US? You can take the soup whenever you want. You can even move to Britain, take an oath of allegiance to the sectarian British monarchy and join the British Army and civilise the world.

Sonnenblumen

Lapin- great post and points well made!

GodlessInfidel

avoid places like iraq, afghanistan and many other countries where a british passport may well get you beheaded live on al jazeera

Terry

Are you a terrorist?

GodlessInfidel

Terry wrote: »

Are you a terrorist?

who me? no i work for budget travel

Le King

I wouldn't agree having a British passport opens more doors. The US it definitely doesn't matter at all, that's a load of crap. You either get a visa or you don't. From my experience travelling it has never been a problem with an Irish passport.

I have had not had a bother of trouble travelling as an Irishman.

RMD

British passport in Afghanistan = Captivity including possible beheading

Irish passport in Afghanistan = Confusion at first, then tell them about the IRA, they'll be nice, probably give you food, place to rest and an AK :pac:

Very simple OP. Irish passport wins hands down.

El Siglo

Is it worth filling up all the forms and paying the fee for? If you've been living in Britain for at least 3 years then none of this should matter really.

mikom

Eight out of ten Israelis say that their government prefers Irish passports.

Lapin

RMD wrote: »

British passport in Afghanistan = Captivity including possible beheading

Irish passport in Afghanistan = Confusion at first, then tell them about the IRA, they'll be nice, probably give you food, place to rest and an AK :pac:

Very simple OP. Irish passport wins hands down.

Try telling that to the family of Ken Bigley.

Fluffybums

I have a British passport, as does my mum as she was born here (ROI) before 1948. Because of this I am an Irish citizen and can register for an Irish passport. In my case I will have two so that if one runs out and is off being replaced I still have another valid passport, in addition, whilst I might lose one on hols I'd be unlikely to lose two - could prove interesting when leaving countries if I don't have an entry stamp so would have to register the lost passport with the appropriate embassy and get a covering letter but still a bit of piece of mind.

RMD

Lapin wrote: »

Try telling that to the family of Ken Bigley.

If I'm not mistaken Ken Bigley was English? Therefore my post was correct.

Donkey Oaty

RMD wrote: »

If I'm not mistaken Ken Bigley was English? Therefore my post was correct.

He was granted Irish citizenship and an Irish passport in absentia by the Irish government as his mother was from Dublin. But he was in Iraq as a UK citizen.

CorkMan

Oranage2 wrote: »

You can have the two passports you know

Two? Crikes I have 20.

irishben

is it the case, that since the Good Friday Agreement, we all can in the republic get a British passport?

Donkey Oaty

irishben wrote: »

is it the case, that since the Good Friday Agreement, we all can in the republic get a British passport?

No.

not1but4

irishben wrote: »

is it the case, that since the Good Friday Agreement, we all can in the republic get a British passport?

I think, you have to be born in the North to be able to get both?

Killer Pigeon

Congratulations, you are now what's known as an "Anglo-Irish" citizen, i.e., a twat who is 37 billion in debt.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

RMD wrote: »

If I'm not mistaken Ken Bigley was English? Therefore my post was correct.

He was also killed in Iraq, not Afghanistan. Sorry to be pedantic!

dazzerb

You remain an Irish citizen unless you officially renounce it.

Renouncing Irish citizenship is done by lodging a declaration with the Minister for Justice. If the person is not already a citizen of another country the renunciation is only effective when he or she becomes such. Irish citizenship cannot be lost by the operation of the law of another country

alex73

About 700,000 Irish passports have been issued to Northern Irish Citizens since the GFA. They can also hold a British Passport.

JONJO THE MISER

Why would want to get a British passport, being Irish not good enough now for ya is it.

It wasn't me!

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

Why would want to get a British passport, being Irish not good enough now for ya is it.

Yes, that's exactly what he said. It's especially obvious from his concern that he wouldn't be able to remain an Irish citizen.

The Aussie

CorkMan wrote: »

Two? Crikes I have 20.

Hey CorkMan, if you were IsraeliMan you could have 100+ fake passports if you wanted:D

Wolfe Tone

Interestingly, the BBC broadcaster John Simpson who over the years has visited hundreds of warzones etc and traveled all over the world, stopped carrying a British passport and got an Irish one due to the reaction his British passport got and more significantly the fact that the Irish government will bust its nut to help you if you get into trouble, while the Brits will go "meh"

recylingbin

[QUOTE=Johno91;68196520]Im not going to go into my reasons for getting it, but if I got one and continued to live here, would I remain an Irish citizen (i.e. would I miss out on anything which holders of an Irish passport get?)[/QUOTE]
You're moving to South County Dublin, aren't you?

Sonnenblumen

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

Interestingly, the BBC broadcaster John Simpson who over the years has visited hundreds of warzones etc and traveled all over the world, stopped carrying a British passport and got an Irish one due to the reaction his British passport got and more significantly the fact that the Irish government will bust its nut to help you if you get into trouble, while the Brits will go "meh"

Examples?

Wolfe Tone

Sonnenblumen wrote: »

Examples?

He states that in his book, and I figure he must have a pretty good idea of what he is talking about.

With regards to getting arrested etc

Juan8

Thought I'd ask in this instead of making a new thread about it, I was born in London but left at about 3 months old, I have a British birth certificate but both my parents are Irish do I qualify for a British passport?

YFlyer

Johno91 wrote: »

Im not going to go into my reasons for getting it, but if I got one and continued to live here, would I remain an Irish citizen (i.e. would I miss out on anything which holders of an Irish passport get?)

You got kicked out of the States or other country?

jaymcg91

Juan8 wrote: »

Thought I'd ask in this instead of making a new thread about it, I was born in London but left at about 3 months old, I have a British birth certificate but both my parents are Irish do I qualify for a British passport?

Maybe. Since 1983 you have to have a British parent OR a parent who was "settled" in Britain at the time to get citizenship at birth. I have no idea how you would prove your parents were settled in Britain at the time (ask them if they have documentation or something? :P).

Obviously you can become naturalized after 3-5 years of living there, but that isn't related to your situation.

EDIT: I am a Brit, but upon further reading: "Settled" status usually means the parent is resident in the UK and has the right of abode, or holds Indefinite Leave to Remain (ILR), or is the citizen of an EU/EEA country and has permanent residence, or otherwise unrestricted by immigration laws to remain in the UK. Irish citizens in the UK are deemed settled for this purpose.


So looks like you are entitled to one !

Juan8

jaymcg91 wrote: »

Maybe. Since 1983 you have to have a British parent OR a parent who was "settled" in Britain at the time to get citizenship at birth. I have no idea how you would prove your parents were settled in Britain at the time (ask them if they have documentation or something? :P).

Obviously you can become naturalized after 3-5 years of living there, but that isn't related to your situation.

EDIT: I am a Brit, but upon further reading: "Settled" status usually means the parent is resident in the UK and has the right of abode, or holds Indefinite Leave to Remain (ILR), or is the citizen of an EU/EEA country and has permanent residence, or otherwise unrestricted by immigration laws to remain in the UK. Irish citizens in the UK are deemed settled for this purpose.


So looks like you are entitled to one !

That's great news mate, I was looking into the parent thing and my father was adopted from England in the 70s and with that being almost impossible to track I had just given up hope before reading this, Cheers for that

Dangerous Man

http://www.passportindex.org/byRank.php

This is an index of the most powerful passports in the world. The UK passport is the most powerful alongside the US passport. Ireland's is a little way back, but is still up there as one of the more powerful passports in the world. You're not missing out on much if you go with the Irish passport but you will have an easier time of it at US immigration with a UK passport.

As others have noted, having a UK passport can make you a target in certain parts of the world.