Koran burning - arrestable offence yay or nay ?

Morlar · 23-09-2010 1:19pm #1

Koran burning - arrestable offence yay or nay ?

Yay arrest the koran burners
Nay do not arrest the koran burners
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Just reading this story here about 6 men arrested for burning a koran (which is being described as'incitement to hatred').

http://breakingnews.ie/world/police-arrest-six-over-burning-korans-474799.html

23/09/2010 - 12:50:06
Police arrested six people on suspicion of inciting racial hatred after a recording of what appeared to be Korans being burned appeared on the internet, a force spokesman said today.

Officers detained two men on September 15 and four more yesterday and all six were bailed pending further inquiries, Northumbria Police said.

“The arrests followed the burning of what are believed to have been two Korans in Gateshead on September 11,” the spokesman said.

“The incident was recorded and a video placed on the internet.”

In a video still accessible on Youtube, six young men in hooded tops or wearing scarves over their faces can be seen pouring petrol on a book and setting it alight, before burning another.

On the video, which appeared to have been filmed behind a pub, they cheer as the first book bursts into flames.

Northumbria Police said the men were not arrested for watching or distributing the video, but on suspicion of burning the Koran.

Gateshead Council and the force issued a joint statement to stress that community relations in the area were good.

It said: “The kind of behaviour displayed in this video is not at all representative of our community as a whole.

“Our community is one of mutual respect and we continue to work together with community leaders, residents and people of all faiths and beliefs to maintain good community relations.”

The men may have been copying Florida-based Pastor Terry Jones, who caused an international outcry by threatening to burn the holy book on September 11, although he did not go ahead with the plan.

Read more: http://breakingnews.ie/world/police-arrest-six-over-burning-korans-474799.html#ixzz10MHS9m9N

Soooo . . . .. What do you think - is this correct that it should be an arrestable offence for burning a koran and putting the video on youtube ?

If you do think it should be an arrestable offence does this also apply to any book deemed to be holy ?

yoyo · 23-09-2010 1:21pm

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Its as pointless as people who burn flags thinking of making a point, how is it hateful burning a fúcking book?

Nick

Sanjuro · 23-09-2010 1:21pm

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Burning a book is an absolutely idiotic way to make a 'point.' But it should no more be illegal to burn a Koran than any copy of Cecilia Aherne's shit-lits.

Trashbat · 23-09-2010 1:23pm

Publicly doing it is insightment of racial hatred, so yes.

Privately doing it, as in just burning loads of rubbish in your back garden (maybe you have a load of old religious books lying about the house that you never use), no - providing you have a permit for a domestic fire.

Snakeblood · 23-09-2010 1:25pm

Morlar wrote: »

Koran burning - arrestable offence yay or nay ?

Yay arrest the koran burners
Nay do not arrest the koran burners
'trolley mc pratt' option

Just reading this story here about 6 men arrested for burning a koran (which is being described as'incitement to hatred').

http://breakingnews.ie/world/police-arrest-six-over-burning-korans-474799.html

Soooo . . . .. What do you think - is this correct that it should be an arrestable offence for burning a koran and putting the video on youtube ?

If you do think it should be an arrestable offence does this also apply to any book deemed to be holy ?

If they weren't trying to incite racial hatred then they have odd ways of keeping warm.

philologos · 23-09-2010 1:25pm

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It depends on the reason.

I don't think hatred is an adequate reason to prohibit this right, but if there is a public ordinance against burning outside for public safety reasons then yes it should be prohibited irrespective of the paper that is burned.

Morlar · 23-09-2010 1:25pm

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Trashbat wrote: »

Publicly doing it is insightment of racial hatred, so yes.

And if the muslim 'race' fears being hated because someone burns that book on youtube - does that irrational fear/worry/concern outweigh your liberties or mine ?

Noffles · 23-09-2010 1:27pm

I'd burn it... and I'd use a burning bible to do so... then warm my hands around the two of them buring in a heap!

smiles302 · 23-09-2010 1:28pm

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Inciting racial hatred is illegal, burning the Qur'an is not.

Morlar · 23-09-2010 1:28pm

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Noffles wrote: »

I'd burn it... and I'd use a burning bible to do so... then warm my hands around the two of them buring in a heap!

Consecutive sentences there buddy, not concurrent.

up for anything · 23-09-2010 1:28pm

This old thread..... :rolleyes:

amacachi · 23-09-2010 1:29pm

When they stop eating dogs I'll say they shouldn't be burned any more.

chin_grin · 23-09-2010 1:29pm

It's a book. It's paper and some glue. You are not burning the ideals of the book you're just burning a book.

Actually this might be a great idea. Burn bibles too! Rabble rabble rabble rabble.

philologos · 23-09-2010 1:29pm

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Morlar wrote: »

And if the muslim 'race' fears being hated because someone burns that book on youtube - does that irrational fear/worry/concern outweigh your liberties or mine ?

UK law takes into account religious hatred, hatred based on sexual orientation, hatred based on gender and a lot of other categories.

I'm not sure if hating the Qur'an is quite the same thing as hating the people who believe in the Qur'an though.

chin_grin wrote: »

It's a book. It's paper and some glue. You are not burning the ideals of the book you're just burning a book.

In agreement with this sentiment. Without the ideas on the page, it is just a book. The ideas that are inscribed on those pages, will not be any less true or false if someone burns the book that they are contained in.

One need only look on youtube to see how many people have burned the Bible or Qur'an in the past.

Snakeblood · 23-09-2010 1:33pm

amacachi wrote: »

When they stop eating dogs I'll say they shouldn't be burned any more.

They've pretty much stopped, you'll be happy to hear.

MagicSean · 23-09-2010 1:34pm

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Walking to the front of a mosque and burning it - yay

Burning it so you can cook the pilot from your downed aeroplane in the Andes - nay.

All depends on the circumstances. Its like cutting up a teddy bear. In itself not a big thing, but if you do it in front of it's two year old owner you become a bastard.

Morlar · 23-09-2010 1:36pm

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Jakkass wrote: »

I'm not sure if hating the Qur'an is quite the same thing as hating the people who believe in the Qur'an though.

I'd broadly agree with that. I would call it an expression of disapproval not an incitement to hatred (of either the book or the religion).

Ironically the rushdie book and effigy burnings of several years ago were an incitement to hatred - literally a 'call for murder' in a way that the above morons on youtube were simply not.

amacachi · 23-09-2010 1:38pm

Snakeblood wrote: »

They've pretty much stopped, you'll be happy to hear.

Thought it still happens a lot in the North, must be fairly in demand since the government fixed its price not long ago.

23-09-2010 1:42pm

yea or nay - and publically doing it is probably incitement, so yea.

cherryghost · 23-09-2010 1:43pm

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I burned my Harry Potter book. Does that make me a bad man too?

amacachi · 23-09-2010 1:45pm

cherryghost wrote: »

I burned my Harry Potter book. Does that make me a bad man too?

You must've done it in private though, if it were in public there would've been someone who put a hex on you and you wouldn't be posting about it.

Morlar · 23-09-2010 1:46pm

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cherryghost wrote: »

I burned my Harry Potter book. Does that make me a bad man too?

Not sure but if you burn a copy of 'twilight' it means that you hate transexuals.

PeterIanStaker · 23-09-2010 2:58pm

Morlar wrote: »

Not sure but if you burn a copy of 'twilight' it means that you hate transexuals.

Didn't know there were transexuals in Twish!te, thought they were asexual or necrophiliac.

Procasinator · 23-09-2010 3:01pm

It was obviously meant in a provocative manner when you watch the video referred to in the article:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljrZYrNDgZM

Snakeblood · 23-09-2010 3:02pm

Morlar wrote: »

Not sure but if you burn a copy of 'twilight' it means that you hate Mormons.

That's more like it.

Sanjuro · 23-09-2010 3:03pm

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Procasinator wrote: »

It was obviously meant in a provocative manner when you watch the video referred to in the article:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljrZYrNDgZM

Typical thick as pig-shit cowards. Covering their faces so they don't get recognised and babbling like morons.

Stercus Accidit · 23-09-2010 3:08pm

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'Muslim' isn't any race I've heard of.

Pace2008 · 23-09-2010 3:09pm

Nay do not arrest the koran burners !!

Yes, publicly burning it is pig-headed and churlish at best, and can easily be construed as an incitement to hatred.

Saying "It's just a book" is ignoring the all-important context. It may be a load of nonsense but it's very dear to a lot of people.

Stercus Accidit · 23-09-2010 3:09pm

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Sanjuro wrote: »

Typical thick as pig-shit cowards. Covering their faces so they don't get recognised and babbling like morons.

Its called a hijab you insensitive curr. :pac:

Sanjuro · 23-09-2010 3:12pm

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Stercus Accidit wrote: »

Its called a hijab you insensitive curr. :pac:

Damn it. Am I gonna be arrested now?

Apanachi · 23-09-2010 3:14pm

I recently downloaded the Koran to my hard drive, does any one want me to burn a copy for them...

wes · 23-09-2010 3:21pm

No, it shouldn't be.

However, I am pretty sure you can't publicy burn anything in the street without getting some sort of permit? If its the case where you can't generally burn stuff in public, then that is a different story.

23-09-2010 3:38pm

Nay do not arrest the koran burners !!

you could be done for disturbing the peace

estadio · 23-09-2010 3:44pm

Nay do not arrest the koran burners !!

Burning ANY religious book should be a crime because it:
a)wastes paper
b) bad for the environment
c) i don't get the "We shall respect freedom of speech by demonstration i.e burn books sacred to some people" brigade.
Also i don't agree with burning anything publicly except coal or gas or France Jerseys.

Degsy · 23-09-2010 4:08pm

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I'm thinking of installing a koran-burning stove in my house..apparantly it heats the radiators far better than other religous tracts.

Degsy · 23-09-2010 4:14pm

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Procasinator wrote: »

It was obviously meant in a provocative manner when you watch the video referred to in the article:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljrZYrNDgZM

Whata bunch of fcuckin idiots..they nearly immoliated themselves as well as teh Koran.

landsleaving · 23-09-2010 4:22pm

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The Muslim society in UCD had a sign up at their stand in the... ugh... frehsers tent (I only went in for the free crap) that said 'Free Koran, Learn - Not Burn.'

Nice to see a bit of humour about the situation tbh.

twinytwo · 23-09-2010 4:24pm

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emmm... so its alright for muslim protesters to set fire to the british and american flags.. but people arnt allowed to burn the koran...:rolleyes:

R0ot · 23-09-2010 4:25pm

If you burn a book, ANY BOOK, you should in turn be burned.

squod · 23-09-2010 4:25pm

landsleaving wrote: »

The Muslim society in UCD had a sign up at their stand in the... ugh... frehsers tent (I only went in for the free crap) that said 'Free Koran, Learn - Not Burn.'

Nice to see a bit of humour about the situation tbh.

Cool story bro.

landsleaving · 23-09-2010 4:28pm

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squod wrote: »

Cool story bro.

Glad you enjoyed it :pac:

Prof.Badass · 23-09-2010 4:29pm

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Incitement to hatred should not be a crime.

Starting bonfires in public laneways perhaps.....

Trashbat · 23-09-2010 4:51pm

Morlar wrote: »

And if the muslim 'race' fears being hated because someone burns that book on youtube - does that irrational fear/worry/concern outweigh your liberties or mine ?

The fear is not really the point. The point is someone is doing something withthe sole intention of causing controversy.

The existence of the book doesn't bother or effect me in any way, but it does mean something to a Muslim. So if someone burns something they don't care about for the sole purpose of annoying one religious group and creating controversy (and publicity) at their expense, then it is insightment of hatred.

Picking on the race thing is splitting hairs.

Basically, we should adopt the general rule of boards "don't be a dick" about these things.

philologos · 23-09-2010 4:59pm

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Trashbat wrote: »

The fear is not really the point. The point is someone is doing something with the sole intention of causing controversy.

Had to stop here.

People do things with the sole intention of causing controversy on a daily basis. Heck, even here in AH I'm sure :pac:

arybvtcw0eolkf · 23-09-2010 5:04pm

Nah, leave the bloody book alone ffs.

Why in the name of fvck do people want to go out of their way to cause offence to other's - its idiocy tbh.

Morlar · 23-09-2010 5:18pm

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Personally I think they are idiots, and I haven't actually even watched the video and don't intend to. The principle is the important part of the story & the thoughts of somone getting arrested in Europe for a public book burning in the year 2010 are insane in my view. This undermines civil liberties & the right to express disatisfaction. The right to publicly burn a book as a form of protest/expression should be given priority over the rights of others not to be offended.

Morlar · 23-09-2010 5:22pm

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Ibrahim Creamy Seasickness wrote: »

Nah, leave the bloody book alone ffs.

Why in the name of fvck do people want to go out of their way to cause offence to other's - its idiocy tbh.

Some people go out of their way to be offended.

Burning a book that person a) considers precious in no way affects person a) anymore than it affects person b) (who does not consider it precious).

If you subsribe to that notion of assigning of a 'preciousness aspect' to any given book you are already on the backfoot and surrendering civil liberties.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 23-09-2010 5:43pm

Morlar wrote: »

If you subsribe to that notion of assigning of a 'preciousness aspect' to any given book you are already on the backfoot and surrendering civil liberties.

Nothing to do with civil liberties, its just a little common decency and respect. It won't kill you NOT to burn a Koran, so why do it?.

Respect goes both ways.

Example, I coach two Palestinian children. One day I totally forgot myself and took an IDF paratroopers t-shirt to training with me to wear under my judo jacket.

The father was offender, I removed the t-shirt and apologized. I didn't feel like I'd given up any civil liberties.

I also train with an Iranian lad, I do the same with him.

I'm not put out by it, but if I WANTED to cause offence it would be the easiest thing in the world just to wear the damned shirt and take the attitude of 'fook em!.

Its decency, doesn't matter a damned to me if its the Koran or a copy of The Beano. Leave the damned thing alone and cop-on ta' fvck.

Morlar · 23-09-2010 5:49pm

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Ibrahim Creamy Seasickness wrote: »

Nothing to do with civil liberties, its just a little common decency and respect. It won't kill you NOT to burn a Koran, so why do it?

Name a single civil liberty where it would 'kill you' to give it up ?

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