do you think farming has been ignored by gov

whelan1

saw it on aertel that at the ploughing there is a feeling that the government is ignoring us , what do you think?

allthedoyles

Check this out - just enter the surname and county of your local farmer and just see how much money they receive each year tax free .


http://www.agriculture.gov.ie/agri-foodindustry/euinternationalpolicy/commonagriculturalpolicycap/capbeneficiariesdatabase/paymentsdatabase/cap_ben_master.jsp

johnstown

....And poor Seanie Fitz trying to live on €188 a month.

Sam Kade

allthedoyles wrote: »

Check this out - just enter the surname and county of your local farmer and just see how much money they receive each year tax free

Since when is it tax free?

Box09

allthedoyles wrote: »

Check this out - just enter the surname and county of your local farmer and just see how much money they receive each year tax free .


http://www.agriculture.gov.ie/agri-foodindustry/euinternationalpolicy/commonagriculturalpolicycap/capbeneficiariesdatabase/paymentsdatabase/cap_ben_master.jsp

It is subject to income tax

reilig

Your post gives me Deja moo: the feeling I've heard all this bull before.

allthedoyles wrote: »

Check this out - just enter the surname and county of your local farmer and just see how much money they receive each year tax free .


http://www.agriculture.gov.ie/agri-foodindustry/euinternationalpolicy/commonagriculturalpolicycap/capbeneficiariesdatabase/paymentsdatabase/cap_ben_master.jsp

supersean1999

allthedoyles wrote: »

Check this out - just enter the surname and county of your local farmer and just see how much money they receive each year tax free .


http://www.agriculture.gov.ie/agri-foodindustry/euinternationalpolicy/commonagriculturalpolicycap/capbeneficiariesdatabase/paymentsdatabase/cap_ben_master.jsp

tax free, ya ok,

whelan1

allthedoyles wrote: »

Check this out - just enter the surname and county of your local farmer and just see how much money they receive each year tax free .


http://www.agriculture.gov.ie/agri-foodindustry/euinternationalpolicy/commonagriculturalpolicycap/capbeneficiariesdatabase/paymentsdatabase/cap_ben_master.jsp

are you on it?

supersean1999

whelan1 wrote: »

are you on it?

i doubt it, but i AM
and i wish i got some this f**king week,

5live

Tax free. Right. Can i tell that to my accountant? Im sure she would have a good chuckle before she slaps me on the side of the head to bring me back to reality. Why dont we have a discussion on what concessions PAYE workers get that farmers dont qualify for? Oh. Gone away. Now what a surprise:mad:

premier10

allthedoyles wrote: »

Check this out - just enter the surname and county of your local farmer and just see how much money they receive each year tax free .


http://www.agriculture.gov.ie/agri-foodindustry/euinternationalpolicy/commonagriculturalpolicycap/capbeneficiariesdatabase/paymentsdatabase/cap_ben_master.jsp

Obviously must know something i don't know!

Please Please enlighten us!?

allthedoyles

Gosh , that post really got ye all going -

I take back the 'tax free ' bit , as I do understand it is taxable income .

But hey , - who is going to admit how valuable these cash injections are to the local farmer .

And how many boardsies believe that the Government is ignoring the farmers as suggested by the OP .

Don't worry lads , Minister Smith has stated that he is committed to a well funded reformed CAP .

http://www.rte.ie/aertel/108-01.html

OP - would you please run a poll on this one .

srvhead

Not just the (historically fianna fail loyal) farming sector thats being ignored by biffo and his gang. Basically anyone whos not connected to anglo is totally forgotten about. Watch this years budget.. social welfare.. childrens allowance.. PAYE.. Farming.. Public Servants.. Pensioners.. The Sick.. Small Businesses.. all to be hammered.. Anglo Irish to be pumped BILLIONS more!! We need a fluckiing revolution!!!!!

5live

How about this one! Which government said we were in a post agricultural economy and then publishes a food harvest 2020 where agriculture is going to save the economy? Without ANY government funds dairy to increase 50% and beef by 20%? And dont even get me started on rural broadband. My SFP taxed at 10% BEFORE taxation to provide broadband to non farmers. Double taxation. No rural transport not to mind a subsidised system. Yup. They are just firing money at us

bbam

In fairness I think every sector bar the banking and nama related crap has been forgotten by the government... the real scary thing is a change of government doesn't inspire confidence either..

I haven't seen one political representitive from any party speak anything that would lead me to think there is a way back from this mess, unfortunitely I see better arguments from boardies over in the "Irish Economy" side on how things are going to get much worse..

I really feel that it's just hunker down and wait till the storm passes time here in Ireland, if you survive well enough, if not... join the back of the que

whelan1

allthedoyles wrote: »

Check this out - just enter the surname and county of your local farmer and just see how much money they receive each year tax free .


http://www.agriculture.gov.ie/agri-foodindustry/euinternationalpolicy/commonagriculturalpolicycap/capbeneficiariesdatabase/paymentsdatabase/cap_ben_master.jsp

do you have a clue , did you read my op , that money you are talking about comes from the eu , that is not what i asked , please read properly in future before you post

allthedoyles

whelan1 wrote: »

do you have a clue , did you read my op , that money you are talking about comes from the eu , that is not what i asked , please read properly in future before you post

yes - I read your post correctly - and after all the figures are recorded by www.agriculture.gov.ie so whether you like it or not , you must understand that your Goverment has a say in these exorbitant cheques that all farmers receive in the post .

If your goverment did not have any say in this , then why would your Minister for Agriculture promise that he is committed to another well funded CAP ?

You asked for an opinion , and you have mine now .

whelan1

when the cap was negotiated brendan smith was no where to be seen.... last year we had the worst farm income in years 20 cpl for milk - while local supermarket sold 2 litres of milk for 2.95 euro - the weather was brutal last year and the year before , farmers- as everyone - cant get money off the banks even though we are asset rich , why where the banks bailed out when we cannot get money off them ! Brendan smith has done nothing at all to ease the hardship of farmers , ok the sfp is there but that is gone before we get it. Not every farmer gets over 100,000 in sfp , i for one get alot less as i was unfortunate enough to be building up my farm during the reference years , again penalised for being a young farmer ! The only time we hear from bs is when the payments are being made , as i said before these are from the eu and not the government , he couldnt even manage that right as he messed up the disadvantaged area payments ,as for the mess in the fwms that crippled farmers too .... so my opinion is that the government do nothing for farmers , thats mine you are entitled to yours

Tipp Man

allthedoyles wrote: »

yes - I read your post correctly - and after all the figures are recorded by www.agriculture.gov.ie so whether you like it or not , you must understand that your Goverment has a say in these exorbitant cheques that all farmers receive in the post .

If your goverment did not have any say in this , then why would your Minister for Agriculture promise that he is committed to another well funded CAP ?

You asked for an opinion , and you have mine now .

clueless, absolutely clueless, and seeing as though it appears you are from Wexford and not the big smoke i really would expect a slightly better educated debate from your self

It matters not a damn that the payments are on an Irish government website, the huge majority of that money is coming from the EU, probably in the region of 90%+ I would say. So unless you are a German taxpayer then you are contributing very very very little to those cheques, but gaining very nicely from it let me add, all of the food that you purchase is subsidised. do you think that we enjoyed getting up at 6 every morning last year to milk cows for a loss, or rear calves for 2.5 years to make a couple of hundred euro "profit" on them. 100 cattle nowadays will barely make you the minimum wage.

In the last budget every scheme that the Irish government participated in was slashed or axed:

Reps axed
Farm retirement scheme axed
New entrants scheme axed
Suckler cow slashed in half
all the building schemes axed and to add insult to injury those who were due money (for money they had already spent) are now being paid over a 3 year period instead of immediatly after inspection, how does that affect your cashflow
And every other scheme axed

So if your going to talk crap go to after hours or something, if you want a proper debate than at least inform yourself of some basic facts before you make yourself look foolish

5live

My dearest allthedoyles, if farming is so good then you should just head out to your local auctioneer and get yourself some acreage either to rent or buy. Then negotiate your way through the dept maze of regulations to get a flock/herd number then go out and negotiate some finance to stock that land or pay a contractor to till and sow. Then come back to me(i will gladly supply you with my mobile no.) for any advice i can give you FREE and we can sit down and drink the profits in a few minutes next year or are you just a hurler on the ditch afraid to get your hands dirty or risk ALL you own on a small margin business. Please oh please put your money where your keyboard is. Im sure All the contributors will go out of their way to assist you in any fashion that you may deem appropriate. Not that you will need assistance as you appear to know it all already:rolleyes:

blue5000

It is the food processing industry that is being subsidised by the single farm payment. They are able to buy cheap raw material from farmers. They can buy all the milk, meat and cereals for the same price, (in some cases less) than they could in 1985.

It's no wonder kerry plc and glanbia have half of the US dairy industry bought up. Or no wonder that maithon fear has a strangle hold on both the Irish and UK beef industry, after almost going to the wall in the early 90's. :mad:

reilig

blue5000 wrote: »

It is the food processing industry that is being subsidised by the single farm payment. They are able to buy cheap raw material from farmers. They can buy all the milk, meat and cereals for the same price, (in some cases less) than they could in 1985.

It's no wonder kerry plc and glanbia have half of the US dairy industry bought up. Or no wonder that maithon fear has a strangle hold on both the Irish and UK beef industry, after almost going to the wall in the early 90's. :mad:

That's hitting the nail on the head Blue!!!
I said it before and I'll say it again, I would gladly give up my single farm payment if I could sell the food that I produce for the amount that it costs me to produce it + 5% for profit. I would have a lot more profit.

In simple terms, CAP makes food cheap for buyers. Any removal of financial supports will make food more expensive for consumers to buy off the supermarket shelf.

The payments received by farmers are for the benefit of the whole country - they keep food prices low and under control by compensating farmers for the sale of their products at sometimes less than it cost to produce the product.

Tipp Man

blue5000 wrote: »

It is the food processing industry that is being subsidised by the single farm payment. They are able to buy cheap raw material from farmers. They can buy all the milk, meat and cereals for the same price, (in some cases less) than they could in 1985.

It's no wonder kerry plc and glanbia have half of the US dairy industry bought up. Or no wonder that maithon fear has a strangle hold on both the Irish and UK beef industry, after almost going to the wall in the early 90's. :mad:

Agreed, between the processors and the supermarkets they are really creaming it off the CAP