Nobody plays PC shooters anymore

cherryghost

According to the Kinect creator

http://gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2010/09/18/-Talking-Kinect-With-Kudo.aspx

GI: Looking at first-party games and 360 exclusives in the future, are we going to start to see Kinect integrated in small or nuanced ways? Or is it a "go big or go home" approach to gameplay?

Tsunoda: I think that the stuff we have learned about Kinect is that you don’t want to take it and port a experience over to Kinect or force it into things. You see a lot of motion control games that put the motion technology into a random game and that isn’t the way to make an awesome experience. If you think about the way that first person shooters evolved, they started on the PC. People for the longest time tried to port shooters from the PC onto the console. And people said the same things that they are saying now about Kinect – “It’s never going to be responsive enough to do this,” or “You’re never going to get a fun first person shooter on the console – it’s only made for a keyboard and mouse and that is the way it is supposed to be played.” And as long as everyone was just porting the existing shooters over to console, they weren’t as fun as the PC ones. Of course, they were built for the PC. Halo did an awesome job of building a first-person shooter exclusively for the console, and now hardly anyone plays first person shooters on the PC anymore. It’s all about the console. And I feel it is the same with Kinect stuff. If you are constantly trying to take something that is made for a controller and port it over to Kinect, it’s not going to be a good experience because it is made for a controller. If you take the time to build it for Kinect from the ground up, however, you can make something that is a very new experience, but lots of times even more fun than it was before.

Where the hell does he get his facts? What a retard tbh

cherryghost

poop, messed up title...

Ah well. Fixed now. Thoughts?

Kiith

Games on a pc? Pft, surely you know by now that the pc is only used for Excel and porn.

o1s1n

Excel porn. Gives the term 'spread sheets' a whole new meaning. Giggidy.

Retr0gamer

Playing FPS on a console is like playing an FPS on a PC that can't run it full speed and has to be played on the lowest settings. It works but it's not how you should be playing it and doesn't do it justice.

Coriolanus

Ahh, not to be taken seriously anyway. He's not being paid to tell the truth, he's being paid to push the Kinect.

I rather play games on a console than on a PC lately. I just don't have the funds, the patience, or the ability to constantly upgrade to play the newest games. At least when you buy a console that's it, you don't need to upgrade, buy new pieces, anything to be able to play the newest release.

There is such an elitist attitude with PC gamers sometimes.

Jazzy

too fukin right theres an elitist attitude. especially when developers fuk over their fans by making absolutely retarded sequels of games that were designed for the PC but they want to make money on the console (thats right Epic and UT3.. you can get fuked)

as a deathmatch game, halo is still light years behind Quake 1 in terms of depth and if developers are going to continue to just appeal to the lowest common denominator(LOLOLOL THE HARRIER JUMPJET SHOOTED EVERYONE THEN THE NUKE WENT OFF) with shooters ill continue not buying them

Krieg

*Throws 2.5k pc out the window*

Current stats of Bfbc2



Global PC Statistics

Players at bfbcs:
1 888 667
Players online:
17 758
Servers:
6 865


Global XBOX360 Statistics

Players at bfbcs:
2 164 589
Players online:
?
Servers:
?



Global PS3 Statistics

Players at bfbcs:
1 765 131
Players online:
21 664
Servers:
2 989

*Brings pc back upstairs*

Coriolanus

Deleted User wrote: »

I rather play games on a console than on a PC lately. I just don't have the funds, the patience, or the ability to constantly upgrade to play the newest games. At least when you buy a console that's it, you don't need to upgrade, buy new pieces, anything to be able to play the newest release.

There is such an elitist attitude with PC gamers sometimes.

People keep saying PC gaming is more expensive, but honestly, if I were to "settle" for xbox level graphics, or ps3 level graphics, I wouldn't have had to upgrade my pc in years. As it is, I haven't bought a new card in two years and can still play brand new games at better graphics than my friends consoles can put out.

Anyway consoles are for children. (That's the elitist part.)

dreamers75

Deleted User wrote: »

I rather play games on a console than on a PC lately. I just don't have the funds, the patience, or the ability to constantly upgrade to play the newest games. At least when you buy a console that's it, you don't need to upgrade, buy new pieces, anything to be able to play the newest release.

There is such an elitist attitude with PC gamers sometimes.

So these new fangled Slim consoles are selling well why exactly?

Would be they are fancier upgrades of originals or fixing problems with the originals?

Retr0gamer

The myth about upgrading PC's constantly to keep up with new games is bull****. I got a new PC a month ago. I got it off my friend who built it from spare parts he had after upgrading his and his 2 brothers PCs. Those parts are from PCs about 2-3years old that weren't even top of the line then. It runs everything up full whack or close to full. PCs are so far ahead of consoles in terms of power and since most PC games are console ports any mid range PC for 500 euros or less can pull them off with better graphics than the consoles without breaking a sweat.

dreamers75

Retr0gamer wrote: »

The myth about upgrading PC's constantly to keep up with new games is bull****. I got a new PC a month ago. I got it off my friend who built it from spare parts he had after upgrading his and his 2 brothers PCs. Those parts are from PCs about 2-3years old that weren't even top of the line then. It runs everything up full whack or close to full. PCs are so far ahead of consoles in terms of power and since most PC games are console ports any mid range PC for 500 euros or less can pull them off with better graphics than the consoles without breaking a sweat.

People confuse enthusiasts with gamers, my pc is worth about 400 and runs every game our quite easily.

4870 the single greatest thing to happen to Pc gaming ever well at €150 it was

Duggy747

Heh, I haven't had a desktop since our very first one back in '98. I've just been on well-built laptops. Granted, I can't play all of the latest games at full whack but they average around high settings anyways. I don't give a shìt if I can only get 2x AA instead of 16x.

I play games for the buzz, not the graphics, and I cannot stand playing FPS on consoles (There have been exceptions alright). I've spent so many years playing superior shooting games on a PC than to understand people going sick in the head for the latest console shooter.

Anyways, at least if you get bored with your PC game you can always download somes mods to refresh it for ya.

kearneybobs

That bloke is a bit of a fool really.
The last time I saw him, he tried to show me the bottom of an avatar's shoe.

Well-BAM!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOpnaAZjKG4

Overheal

If I want to keep playing Team Fortress and Left 4 Dead, Lost Planet, etc you know, like the console can, I can do these things on my laptop. I could do these things when I bought my laptop 38 months ago and I can still do these things on my laptop today. I can still play Halo 2 and Oblivion and Fallout on it, like a console can.

So what if I bought $800 of new pc hardware, that **** will outplay even the next gen of consoles. It is what it is: you spend more money, you get more out of it.

witnessmenow

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Playing FPS on a console is like playing an FPS on a PC that can't run it full speed and has to be played on the lowest settings. It works but it's not how you should be playing it and doesn't do it justice.

Rude Alternative:

Playing Fps on a console is like giving head to your sister, your doing the same thing but jesus its just not right!

Hercule

Saw this on cvg and anticipated the cringe threads everywhere

Kinectguy: consoleos are where its at dawg, im down with the youf innit -

sorry mate your eyetoy/wii hybrid will be chock full of casual games that nobody plays for longer then an evening - dont be slingin' **** just cus you are forced to run marketing for a party game peripheral

Dcully

Deleted User wrote: »

I rather play games on a console than on a PC lately. I just don't have the funds, the patience, or the ability to constantly upgrade to play the newest games. At least when you buy a console that's it, you don't need to upgrade, buy new pieces, anything to be able to play the newest release.

There is such an elitist attitude with PC gamers sometimes.

You rather play on console fair enough.
But this ridiculous myth that you have to constantly upgrade a pc is simply not true.
Ive said it countless times on these boards, i have an almost 3 year old pc and only ever upgraded it once, that upgrade was not essential it was purely because a friend tipped me off about an excellent deal for a very good gfx card.
This pc plays everything at max settings, im a gamer, i have all the latest games, i play high end racing sims some of which are a lot more demanding on hardware than your average game.
I play them all at max settings at a resolution and framerate a console can only dream of.
I have 2 xbox 360s and a PS3 in the house,they serve their purpose.
I enjoy some good footie on them,i like to play rockband with my son,or two play splitscreen on forza 3.

I agree sometimes people have an elitist attitude about PC but can you imagine what the console people would be like if their little box was coming anywhere near to outperforming pc.
Call me and the other lads elitist if you wish but we are only stating facts.
We are happy to pay more for our choice of gaming machinery, we feel we get much better value thanks to a vastly superior control scheme,cheaper games,dedicated servers,endless catalogue of mods,countless free games etc.

I guess its like saying, my Bugatti Veyron is so much faster than your Ford Focus Its true , the truth hurts some people,these people then need to pick holes in the Veyron in an attempt to make them feel better
Its an age old trait we humans have

This console V PC debate will never go a way but please dont rely on the myth that you constantly need to upgrade a PC , its simply miles from the truth.

Dcully

If I want to keep playing Team Fortress and Left 4 Dead, Lost Planet, etc you know, like the console can, I can do these things on my laptop

My young lad has Team Fortress2 on 360 and its never got an update from valve,how many have we had for the pc version? 15 or more id say.
When he sees me play it on pc he says" Dad why dont they let me have that stuff on my game - its not fair "
Bless him hes learning already

TheFairy

Dcully wrote: »

My young lad has Team Fortress2 on 360 and its never got an update from valve,how many have we had for the pc version? 15 or more id say.
When he sees me play it on pc he says" Dad why dont they let me have that stuff on my game - its not fair "
Bless him hes learning already

Cully we need to speak. My son plays on both platform, in fact on PC, XBOX and PS3. He agrees with me however that PC is by far the best for most games. Sure consoles will never, ever play MMO's!

gizmo

Interesting reply from Tim Willits of iD...

id Software's Tim Willits has refuted Microsoft's claim that the first-person shooter genre is in its death throes on the PC.

Speaking in an interview with Game Informer, Kudo Tsunoda, Microsoft Kinect's creative director, said that the battle to make first-person shooters work on consoles had been won.

"Halo did an awesome job of building a first-person shooter exclusively for the console, and now hardly anyone plays first-person shooters on the PC anymore. It's all about the console," he said, highlighting what he saw as parallels with the scepticism about Kinect's responsiveness.

A bold claim? id Software certainly thinks so. The Texas-based studio virtually invented the modern FPS with Wolfenstein 3D on the PC in 1992 and then refined it with Doom and Quake. It has continued to support the platform ever since.

"The PC is still a very viable platform for not only FPS games but also all other genres," id's creative director Tim Willits told Eurogamer.

"In my opinion the PC will always be the core of the gaming industry - it is the timeless stable platform that as developers we will always be able to rely on. Unlike consoles, the PC doesn't disappear because one company decided it wasn't profitable or decided to make a new version. The PC platform is always evolving but staying stable.

"The FPS genre is still great on the PC, the input controllers are very responsive, the keyboard allows many more choices and options, and the social networking of the PC allows you to reach out and play with your friends much easier than any of the consoles.

"Plus, as any hardcore FPS gamer will tell you, the mouse is still the best device for aiming." he added.

id's next game, Rage, arrives on PC, PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 in September 2011, and is looking seriously impressive. Willits is heading over to the Eurogamer Expo next week to demonstrate it to you.

According to Steam statistics, as many as 75,000 users were playing Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 on PC at any one moment yesterday, while 72,000 were enjoying Counter Strike: Source.

PC shooter fans have plenty to look forward to this year. Call of Duty: Black Ops, Medal of Honor and an expansion for Battlefield: Bad Company 2 all arrive in the coming months.

Important bits are highlighted.

As for the issue in general, Tsunoda is just acting as a PR person when he said the above, it's nothing to get worked up over.

Do bear in mind though that his supposed arrogance is no more annoying than some of the elitist PC attitudes shown in here from time to time, quite frustrating isn't it? :pac:

Dcully

TheFairy wrote: »

Cully we need to speak. My son plays on both platform, in fact on PC, XBOX and PS3. He agrees with me however that PC is by far the best for most games. Sure consoles will never, ever play MMO's!

Im with ya Fairy, he prefers the pc too but i only have one gaming rig atm so console may do him for now
When he plays the pc he always says ,"its so smooth to aim, the graphics look so clear and nicer" nuff said really
When ever i need to splash out on a new rig ill give him this one.

Hercule

PC gamers are elitist for a reason - they are better then you and they know it

gizmo

Hercule wrote: »

PC gamers are elitist for a reason - they are better then you and they know it

Nah, people with all the platforms who play games for their own enjoyment and not to look down on others are better. We're also nice enough that we don't let you know that fact either. :pac:

Hercule

Im a PC gamer, and windows 7 is my idea

Overheal

Either way for roughly the same amount of money, or less than a console, you can get a PC that performs as well or better than a console. The 360, and it's specced hardware, is 5 years old. There have been only minor changes to this. If you'd like to have a gander at depreciation, It shouldn't be terribly hard to find yesteryears PC parts and strap them together into something that easilly outperforms a 360 title to title. Likely to be the same story with the PS3.

Jazzy

gizmo wrote: »

Nah, people with all the platforms who play games for their own enjoyment and not to look down on others are better. We're also nice enough that we don't let you know that fact either. :pac:

you're telling me that xbox live isnt 60% retards?


hang on.. ive to wait another year for Rage?!!!??!~hnjlksdhj

gizmo

Jazzy wrote: »

you're telling me that xbox live isnt 60% retards?

I'd argue that most online services are made up of retards, the problem with XBL is that they can spout their mindless diatribe by default whereas with the PC/PSN you have to buy additional hardware to do it.

Anyway, what has that got to do with my comment? I was referring to the elitist attitudes of certain platform owners despite the fact they miss out on a range of titles which only those with all of the platforms can enjoy. These users are usually the least likely to be running their mouths though.

Jazzy wrote: »

hang on.. ive to wait another year for Rage?!!!??!~hnjlksdhj

Yup, unfortunately so. But don't worry, we can play it on the PC together. Then you can rage quit saying it's **** and not as good as Quake Live.

Jazzy

gizmo wrote: »

I'd argue that most online services are made up of retards, the problem with XBL is that they can spout their mindless diatribe by default whereas with the PC/PSN you have to buy additional hardware to do it.

Anyway, what has that got to do with my comment? I was referring to the elitist attitudes of certain platform owners despite the fact they miss out on a range of titles which only those with all of the platforms can enjoy. These users are usually the least likely to be running their mouths though.


Yup, unfortunately so. But don't worry, we can play it on the PC together. Then you can rage quit saying it's **** and not as good as Quake Live.

im not getting that for multiplayer... and NO SHOOTER is as good as quake live

couldnt give much of a sh1t about consoles. what i dislike is developers fupping up games to make them 'console friendly'

gizmo

Jazzy wrote: »

im not getting that for multiplayer... and NO SHOOTER is as good as quake live

Jazzy wrote: »

couldnt give much of a sh1t about consoles. what i dislike is developers fupping up games to make them 'console friendly'

I couldn't agree more to be honest. That being said there is no reason why some games can't be designed for consoles surely? Look at Goldeneye, one of the most revered FPS titles ever, yet I've never heard anyone complaining about the fact that it was on the N64. It was just designed in such a way that the fact that it was on a console didn't limit it. Now look at Deus Ex 2 and UT3, two games which clearly exhibited the hallmark signs of being dumbed down for consoles.

The Call Of Duty series has changed with each iteration however it hasn't been because of limitations with the consoles, it has just gone for a more mainstream appeal with the perks and unlocks. Bad Company doesn't suffer for being on the console and PC and, in fact, has been tweaked for each platform quite well from what I've played.

The big test in that series will be Battlefield 3 however, the traditional PC game which is now coming to consoles.

Overheal

goldeneye brought us 4-way multiplayer, golden guns, and killer midgets with oversized hands and heads. what wasnt to like? Theres lots of good shooters on consoles, but they tend to centralize around the 4-player aspect. Look at Timesplitters, that was lots of fun. Actually, those games were just fun. Timesplitters 2 was and probably still is a fantastic bargain.

Retr0gamer

The problem with goldeneye and timesplitters for me was that I was playing Quake 2 and Half-Life deathmatch on my friends 4 player lan and they didn't come close. Goldeneye was a nice way to emulate it cheaply but it wasn't the real deal. But that's a different discussion.

oceanclub

Why should I care what Nathan Barley thinks?



P.

Fanny Cradock

Dcully wrote: »

how many have we had for the pc version? 15 or more id say.

Over 100

Overheal

Fanny Cradock wrote: »

Over 100

Bug fixes, tweaks, major content releases, minor content releases, etc. etc.

I just played my 200th hour last night as a matter of fact. Defending dustbowl was fantastic: the other team kept re-strategising. I love a game where at any moment you can be staring down a dozen heavies or a dozen medics or a dozen demos. Do you know what a dozen pipebombs being fired sounds like? Music.

Nehaxak

A mouse and keyboard to a PC gamer is almost intuitive.
While many cannot touch type without looking (or at least glancing) at their keyboard most of the time, to a gamer using same you will rarely if ever even glance down at the mouse or keyboard - they become a well tuned and easily used extension to your eyes in a game, hand-eye co-ordination and all that jazz.

With a controller, oh man, how many times have I thrown it at the wall in frustration trying to fecking aim the crosshairs correctly while also trying to strafe, keep an eye out on what's behind me, switch weapons fast when needed and maybe even type in chat that someone's a cock, all at the same time.

Keyboard and mouse any day and definitely PC over Console.
Besides, I like playing (emulator) Mario 64 in 1920x1200 resolution with 16x Anisotropic filtering and 8x AA if I want a console fix on my PC

Magill

Ahhh, PC shooters are in decline, there's no doubt about it really, kind of a shame but it was to be expected. Even just looking at how much the Counterstrike community has faded over the last few years (Without a doubt the biggest and best shooter ever made).

I have a feeling that valve will probably push harder on the console front in the next few years as well, so when they eventually released HL3/CS2(3 if you count source as 2) it will probably be getting huge support on consoles too, its definitely got potential to knock CoD off their console dominance.

Its obvious that a mouse and keyboard is better than a pad for FPS/RTS/MMO's... but game pads really aren't as bad as PC gamers pretend, i've posted some of my vids on cadred (CSS website) and some people don't even realise im playing on my PS3.. and cs players are without a doubt the most critical and trolling out of all the PC communities. I have no doubt that the next generation of consoles will bridge that control gap even more.

PC gaming on a whole will probably always exist, sure the single most played game out is PC based(WoW) and isnt showing any signs of going away.

Retr0gamer

CS has only faded because it's old and the community a cess pool that isn't really doing itself any favours attracting newbies. The community has moved on to other games like battlefield, CoD and TF2.

Magill

Retr0gamer wrote: »

CS has only faded because it's old and the community a cess pool that isn't really doing itself any favours attracting newbies. The community has moved on to other games like battlefield, CoD and TF2.

It hasn't really tho, CoD(4 im guessing you mean) is shrinking aswel, the competitive community is still quite big but there aren't any new players coming into it and the MW2 community is tripe because of how IW ****ed the PC version. TF2 isn't getting any bigger, its got a great community but the game isn't attracting new players(Both games are still quite small compared to cs). The problem is that there are alot of people that are just leaving the community and don't have the time for gaming on the PC... this has always been the case, but there was always young ones starting out and replacing the numbers... fact is most kids are not interested in PC gaming anymore, consoles are just so much easier, might sound like a good thing as you don't have to listen to as many whiney little bastards but its not good in the long run.

Nearly everyone i know from my time playing CS (from 2001-2008) has stopped playing.

Its all about money and developers aren't going to continue producing games for a market that just isn't big enough..

Overheal

Retr0gamer wrote: »

CS has only faded because it's old and the community a cess pool that isn't really doing itself any favours attracting newbies. The community has moved on to other games like battlefield, CoD and TF2.

It's the FPS that /b/ adopted

Jazzy

Overheal wrote: »

It's the FPS that /b/ adopted

who is b ?

Hercule

It's the FPS that /b/ adopted

now now, rules 1 and 2

sarumite

Kiith wrote: »

Games on a pc? Pft, surely you know by now that the pc is only used for Excel and porn.

Whats excel? :P

Coriolanus

sarumite wrote: »

Whats excel? :P

OpenOffice for Old People.

TheDoc

I have to say, I picked up Call of duty 4 modern warfare 2 the other day and realised it was a console port to pc. You could clearly see the mouse wouldnt move as fast as I was making it and a number of other annoying issues.

Brought it back anyway, thoroughly dissapointed.

Obviously as has been pointed out it is a very flawed statement.

Battlefield bad company 2 is pretty big on pc and its streets ahead of the console versions.

The PC is the foundation for everything else to be made. Granted now there is some fantastic console online games and xperiences, for me the demographic and the games that suit others have never changed for me.

PC is the best for RPG's FPS' and RTS games.

Consoles succeed in dabbler gaming, sports franchises and third person action adventure games.

In saying that I've every intention of picking up a good controller and giving fifa and pro evo a go on my pc.

gizmo

TheDoc wrote: »

Battlefield bad company 2 is pretty big on pc and its streets ahead of the console versions.

Rather than saying that, I'd say BC2 shows how the two versions can be differentiated correctly. The main differences being a proper server browser and upped player count, the former being expected from a PC title whereas the latter suits the slower pace of the console version given that it's locked to 30fps.

On a side note, the game was designed primarily for consoles. The reason that it came out on the PC this time around was due to the work they had done on the Frostbite engine for BF1943. What will be more interesting is how BF3 shapes up now that it's multi-platform.

alastair_doom

In his defense, this is the platform breakdown of day1 sales for modern warfare 2 according to http://gamrfeed.vgchartz.com/story/5826/modern-warfare-2-sells-7-million-copies-on-day-one/

Xbox360 :

55%

PS3 :

33%

PC :

12%

(dont know if its accurate, just the first site I found when googling)

Monotype

MW2 stats are worthless. People were pissed off with the whole thing and there was a boyotting/surplus pirating as a result. Also a number of people probably just got console editions because they weren't getting any better on PC.

On topic: He's probably not a moron; he's just trying to make it sound like the next generation of gaming to get them off the shelves.

TheChrisD

alastair_doom wrote: »

In his defense, this is the platform breakdown of day1 sales for modern warfare 2 according to http://gamrfeed.vgchartz.com/story/5826/modern-warfare-2-sells-7-million-copies-on-day-one/

Xbox360 :

55%

PS3 :

33%

PC :

12%

(dont know if its accurate, just the first site I found when googling)

Those results are probably a little askew, considering how the PC version was not made to cater to PC gamers.

Find stats for something like Bad Company 2 or something else multi-platform that actually caters to PC gamers (maybe Black Ops or the new Medal of Honor once they come out) and use those as an argument.

marco_polo

alastair_doom wrote: »

In his defense, this is the platform breakdown of day1 sales for modern warfare 2 according to http://gamrfeed.vgchartz.com/story/5826/modern-warfare-2-sells-7-million-copies-on-day-one/

Xbox360 :

55%

PS3 :

33%

PC :

12%

(dont know if its accurate, just the first site I found when googling)

Monotype wrote: »

MW2 stats are worthless. People were pissed off with the whole thing and there was a boyotting/surplus pirating as a result. Also a number of people probably just got console editions because they weren't getting any better on PC.

On topic: He's probably not a moron; he's just trying to make it sound like the next generation of gaming to get them off the shelves.

TheChrisD wrote: »

Those results are probably a little askew, considering how the PC version was not made to cater to PC gamers.

Find stats for something like Bad Company 2 or something else multi-platform that actually caters to PC gamers (maybe Black Ops or the new Medal of Honor once they come out) and use those as an argument.

It also has to be factored in that digital sales are not counted in these charts and that it has now overtaken retail for PC gaming.

http://blogs.forbes.com/oliverchiang/2010/09/20/digital-vs-physical-pc-game-downloads-surpass-retail-unit-sales-by-3m-says-survey/