iSpy has done it again! Let's compare the Roma to parasites ...

KidKeith89

Apparently Ian O'Doherty sees nothing wrong with Sarkozy's expulsion of the Roma people, as he said: "France repatriates unproductive, unemployed and parasitic people to their own country." That's all he did.

Now, I know a lot of people aren't too fond of the Roma people - I myself don't love 'em or hate 'em - but ya think this quote is a bit much for a column section in one of our national broadsheets? I find myself hating this fat gobsh!te more and more as I read his articles (although they are entertaining, sometimes!).

Sykk

He's dead right..
















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Wolfe Tone

Just to get this out of the way early, Roma is not the same as Romanian.

SV

He's completely right for fúcks sake.

Time to call a spade a spade.

flyton5

Undoubtedly someone will mention dole scoungers...in before that happens...

Morlar

http://www.answers.com/topic/parasite

1. Biology. An organism that grows, feeds, and is sheltered on or in a different organism while contributing nothing to the survival of its host.
2.
1. One who habitually takes advantage of the generosity of others without making any useful return.
2. One who lives off and flatters the rich; a sycophant.
3. A professional dinner guest, especially in ancient Greece.


noun

One who depends on another for support without reciprocating: bloodsucker, hanger-on, leech, sponge. Slang freeloader. See dependence/independence.

orourkeda

Sykk wrote: »

He's dead right..
















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Of course he is. I blame the romanians

Duck's hoop

I read it whenever I'm in the 'home place' as my ma reads it.

Ian O'Doherty would appear to be Kevin Myers lite. Minus the classics references and verbiage.

He's a controversialist. And an apologist for quasi-totalitarian regimes such as Israel.

pickarooney

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

Just to get this out of the way early, Roma is not the same as Romanian.

Should of putt that in the other thread on misused words

PeterIanStaker

Morlar wrote: »

http://www.answers.com/topic/parasite

1. Biology. An organism that grows, feeds, and is sheltered on or in a different organism while contributing nothing to the survival of its host.
2.
1. One who habitually takes advantage of the generosity of others without making any useful return.
2. One who lives off and flatters the rich; a sycophant.
3. A professional dinner guest, especially in ancient Greece.


noun

One who depends on another for support without reciprocating: bloodsucker, hanger-on, leech, sponge. Slang freeloader. See dependence/independence.

Funny, I looked up "Irish Independent columnist" and got the same definition.

Wherever the Roma are sent, can they bring O'Doherty, His Holiness Quinn & Myarse with them?

thebigbiffo

i like the fat bastard, truth be told

orourkeda

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

Just to get this out of the way early, Roma is not the same as Romanian.

If a roma comes from Romania does that make then Romanian.

Viper_JB

I dunno....the Roma maybe getting singled out here as a group...but if you're an illegal immigrant surely you can't complain when you're kicked out of the country just enforcing the law really. I'm slightly biased as I hold no love for Roma gypsies....I doubt that many people do.

orourkeda

Morlar wrote: »

http://www.answers.com/topic/parasite

1. Biology. An organism that grows, feeds, and is sheltered on or in a different organism while contributing nothing to the survival of its host.
2.
1. One who habitually takes advantage of the generosity of others without making any useful return.
2. One who lives off and flatters the rich; a sycophant.
3. A professional dinner guest, especially in ancient Greece.


noun

One who depends on another for support without reciprocating: bloodsucker, hanger-on, leech, sponge. Slang freeloader. See dependence/independence.

Pretty accurate assessment.

KidKeith89

I know they're unproductive and unemployed but he probably wouldn't say that about one certain nationality who are known to not work and claim social welfare. Or would he? Maybe he would actually ...

I just think the term "parasitic" is a bit much; it's like he's trying to say these people are like a bug or something on. Wouldn't say I'm sympathetic towards these people but I do kinda feel sorry for the kids who grow up in that environment. And before anyone comments: no, I'm not a do-gooder hippy. :rolleyes:

meditraitor

What have the romanians ever done for us?

curlzy

I was at a Romanian restaurant (amazing food btw) and the owner was romanian, I was outside having a smoke with him and Roma people came up, the man was spitting when he spoke of them. He said how would the Irish feel if the world thought all Irish were the same as Irish travellers, I could see his point.:(

KidKeith89

Viper_JB wrote: »

I dunno....the Roma maybe getting singled out here as a group...but if you're an illegal immigrant surely you can't complain when you're kicked out of the country just enforcing the law really. I'm slightly biased as I hold no love for Roma gypsies....I doubt that many people do.

They're not in France illegally as Romania and Bulgaria are members of the EU - free movement of people, capital and goods. So really it was illegal for him to kick them out.

Wolfe Tone

Basically Roma are like our travelers except about 5 times as bad.

Sheeps

KidKeith89 wrote: »

They're not in France illegally as Romania and Bulgaria are members of the EU - free movement of people, capital and goods. So really it was illegal for him to kick them out.

shut up

scientific1982

Im normally very liberal but Roma just take the piss. IOD is still a twat though.

KidKeith89

Sheeps wrote: »

shut up

Why is that now?

KidKeith89

scientific1982 wrote: »

Im normally very liberal but Roma just take the piss. IOD is still a twat though.

Agree.

Conor OH!

He's exactly right, and pretty much on point with most things he says in his column.

do we not WANT opinion in our newspapers???? surely the whole point of reading news is to be able to understand things from many points of view, and not just slate it when you disagree?

it's not racist, and it's not hateful towards them at all.

he's merely proving a point with a bit of colourful language.

enda1

KidKeith89 wrote: »

They're not in France illegally as Romania and Bulgaria are members of the EU - free movement of people, capital and goods. So really it was illegal for him to kick them out.

Wrong there Ted.

http://www.euractiv.com/en/socialeurope/free-movement-labour-eu-27/article-129648#

1 Jan. 2014: All labour restrictions to be lifted within the EU 27.

Until 2014, there is not free movement for the 2 newest states.

Sheeps

I will make sure to take your opinions in to consideration next time I'm stepping over the roma begging for change on the inner city streets of Dublin.

Biggins

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

Just to get this out of the way early, Roma is not the same as Romanian.

I'm tired of explaining that to people but the message isn't sinking in with some or they are conveniently ignoring it.

Nodin

Duck's hoop wrote: »

I read it whenever I'm in the 'home place' as my ma reads it.

Ian O'Doherty would appear to be Kevin Myers lite. Minus the classics references and verbiage.

He's a controversialist. And an apologist for quasi-totalitarian regimes such as Israel.

Yep.

KidKeith89

Biggins wrote: »

I'm tired of explaining that to people but the message isn't sinking in with some or they are conveniently ignoring it.

Yeah they're not necessarily Romanian, but I've heard a large number of them have lived in Romania and Bulgaria for several generations? I could be wrong there.

Biggins

KidKeith89 wrote: »

Yeah they're not necessarily Romanian, but I've heard a large number of them have lived in Romania and Bulgaria for several generations? I could be wrong there.

Case in point!
Some still don't get it!

Let me A.B.C. it for you.

Roma = Cultural and ethnic traditional classification across borders.
Romanians = A group of people defined by an actual land border.

thebigbiffo

Conor OH! wrote: »

it's not racist, and it's not hateful towards them at all.

you see, this is the weird thing when talking about this kinda stuff (and I mean absolutely no offence conor)..

but have you met a roma that you have liked, respected or you felt wouldnt rob/beg from you? i haven't...and the sad thing about society is this makes me a racist. is it my fault that the 'race' has a tendency to lean toward the criminal?

KidKeith89

Biggins wrote: »

Case in point!
Some still don't get it!

Let me A.B.C. it for you.

Roma = Cultural and ethnic traditional classification across borders.
Romanians = A group of people defined by an actual land border.

Yeah, they have their ethnic origins in Northern India or something right?

Herb Powell

Conor OH! wrote: »

He's exactly right, and pretty much on point with most things he says in his column.

do we not WANT opinion in our newspapers???? surely the whole point of reading news is to be able to understand things from many points of view, and not just slate it when you disagree?

it's not racist, and it's not hateful towards them at all.

he's merely proving a point with a bit of colourful language.

the point of reading news is to hear what's happening, or what's going on in the world, not hearing what some gimp thinks of what's going on in the world

Biggins

KidKeith89 wrote: »

Yeah, they have their ethnic origins in Northern India or something right?

Try a search engine, they are great tools.
Mind you, they are not the only tools!

wonton

KidKeith89 wrote: »

Yeah, they have their ethnic origins in Northern India or something right?

no, you're thinking of indians

thebigbiffo

KidKeith89 wrote: »

Yeah, they have their ethnic origins in Northern India or something right?

i've heard this before, sounds about right anyways..

just as long as they're not breeding with our own travelling people to form some type of super, polar opposite of the aryian race i'm a happy man...

Nodin

Conor OH! wrote: »

He's exactly right, and pretty much on point with most things he says in his column.

Really? From the article dated today.....

In the middle of the Pope's controversial visit to Britain -- I noticed five Algerians were arrested last Friday in connection with a plot to kill the Pope, further proving just what a religion of peace Islam is

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/ian-odoherty/ian-odoherty-loving-the-alien-vatican-style-2344351.html

Sunday 19 September 2010 10.18 BST wrote:

Six men arrested over alleged pope plot released

Street cleaners who were arrested on Friday said to pose no credible threat and have been released without charge

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/sep/19/six-men-pope-plot-released

It was blatantly obvious for early on they weren't going to be charged from the feedback from the cops.....

KidKeith89

thebigbiffo wrote: »

you see, this is the weird thing when talking about this kinda stuff (and I mean absolutely no offence conor)..

but have you met a roma that you have liked, respected or you felt wouldnt rob/beg from you? i haven't...and the sad thing about society is this makes me a racist. is it my fault that the 'race' has a tendency to lean toward the criminal?

I can say I've never met a Roma that I liked or respected, honestly. Anyone I've talked to has the same opinion: they're loud, annoying, they beg, do nothing productive, and they have the most horrible language! (Or their own dialect of Romanian or Bulgarian; I'm not sure what language they speak.)

P.S. - I didn't mean for this to turn into a discussion on the Roma people, rather Ian O'Doherty and the Indo. Sorry if people take offense.

CiaranMT

Ian O' Doherty :rolleyes:

ejmaztec

KidKeith89 wrote: »

Yeah, they have their ethnic origins in Northern India or something right?

Yes, apparently they left there several centuries ago, because they didn't like being persecuted.

KidKeith89

wonton wrote: »

no, you're thinking of indians

Yeah good one, very funny and smart ...

thebigbiffo

Nodin wrote: »

Really? From the article dated today.....


http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/ian-odoherty/ian-odoherty-loving-the-alien-vatican-style-2344351.html


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/sep/19/six-men-pope-plot-released

It was blatantly obvious for early on they weren't going to be charged from the feedback from the cops.....

nodin: do you have some kind of alert system in place from boards that informs you when a thread on a minority is created?

i'm only half joking...I do seriously want to know why you so vehemently defend minorities?

i hope this isn't out of bounds...

wes

Whiles its true some in the Roma community are very much letting there side down, but on the other hand there is a great deal of racism and hatred towards every single last one of them, and we can see a few examples here. I know I will probably have offended the perpetually offended Anti-PC types, but thats half the fun .

Morlar

wes wrote: »

Whiles its true some in the Roma community are very much letting there side down,

So in other words "the vast majority of roma are decent, hardworking, upstanding & law abiding types" - is that your assertion here ?

Wolfe Tone

Biggins wrote: »

I'm tired of explaining that to people but the message isn't sinking in with some or they are conveniently ignoring it.

I once made the faux pas of referring to a group of Roma gypsies as Romanian in front of a Romanian lad I was working with(sound bloke) he exploded with vitriolic raving against Roma people.

wes

Morlar wrote: »

So in other words "the vast majority of roma are decent, hardworking, upstanding & law abiding types" - is that your assertion here ?

I have no idea either way actually, I have yet see much in the way of proof for the opposite assertion either. Doesn't change the fact that there is quite a lot of hatred directed at them as a whole.

**EDIT**
I don't doubt there are massive problems with certain segments of the Roma community, and those criminal elements like all criminal elements I have 0 sympathy for. Personally, I think people throwing out terms like parasite pretty much ruin any chance of a rational discussion on the topic, as pretty much right away ridiculous hyperbole is invoked.
**END EDIT**

jackiebaron

thebigbiffo wrote: »

i've heard this before, sounds about right anyways..

just as long as they're not breeding with our own travelling people to form some type of super, polar opposite of the aryian race i'm a happy man...

Jaysus, could you imagine the Roma breeding with the Travellers to develop a kind of master-race of super-knackers!

gbee

SV wrote: »

He's completely right for fúcks sake.

Time to call a spade a spade.

Yes, it is, I agree.

OutlawPete

See Ian is a movie star now, has a bit part playing himself in the new Irish film Savage.

dvpower

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

I once made the faux pas of referring to a group of Roma gypsies as Romanian in front of a Romanian lad I was working with(sound bloke) he exploded with vitriolic raving against Roma people.

But it just so happens that they are mostly Romanian, so we should probably expel all Romanians just in case.
F**k it, why stop there. Let's expel all Eastern Europeans.:eek:

thebigbiffo

i remember when romanians (not roma!!) really started arriving in ireland in the mid-90's and a lot of people didn't like them - true racism i mean. same happened with a huge amount of the eastern european emigrants.

i now know some romanians (and obviously lots of eastern europeans in general) and they're lovely people.

i do not know any romas. every time i see them they're either begging or robbing something (yes, i've seen them 'blitz' a shop). i've never seen a roma try assimilate or even look like they were doing something productive. i have had no positive interaction with a roma.

i hate the fact that i'm a racist. but seriously, that cant be my fault!