Is Saul "Canelo" Alvarez the natural successor to De La Hoya

deisedelight

Alvarez generates the highest ratings on Mexico's Televisa network for any athlete in any sport (60m in his last fight). He's shown in clips almost hourly there, and Mexican fans can't seem to get enough of him. Hes dating a former Miss Universe Mexico.

Is this kid and i stress kid the natural successor to Oscar popularity wise . Hes has a real fan friendly style whose willing to trade. Do you think he will take over Oscars PPV mantle as biggest draw in boxing if he gets a few more big wins under his belt???

Wild_Dogger

Nah , it's all hype .
He's good ,no doubt ... but it could all end in tears .
A trading style usually means a short career to me .

Time will tell , but he got a great opportunity with Golden boy HBO backing .
Best o' luck to him

megadodge

I get the impression that you think he's a type of brawler. From what I've seen of him he's quite slick. He has a very pugnacious/strong looking build but that belies the classiness and intelligence of his boxing.

I've been quite impressed by him. In the Cotto fight there was a big hoopla made about the near-knockdown he suffered in the first, but that was purely a balance issue brought about by Cotto's hook landing just as Alvarez was throwing his - generating the 'double power' effect. His immediate reaction was so cool and collected - he slipped and parried so many punches on the ropes that Cotto's follow-up was quite ineffective. I thought he was never hurt at any stage, but of course the naysayers went bananas about his chin, etc. It actually proved to me how good his chin was, as he didn't actually go down when most others would have in the same situation.

What bothers me though is the 'star' status he seems to already be receiving. It has all the hallmarks of a million other bad endings before him. Major young talent, gets noticed, attracts attention from 'celebrity' assholes, gets distracted, loses hunger, never fulfils potential. Hopefully he can avoid that sh!t.

PS. If ever he has a film made about him Eamonn Owens (Butcher Boy) is a cert for the lead.

paraguay99

hes not as good as everyone thinks.

he also needs to learn english.

megadodge

Well, in fairness not "everyone" thinks he's that good. There are quite a few dissenting voices out there, but I just have a good feeling about him.

The "learning English" didn't hurt Roberto Duran or Julio Cesar Chavez. People watch good fighters for their fighting ability not their interview skills. I know it won't do any harm to learn it, but if he's attracting that much attention at 19/20 he's obviously doing something right.

Benny Lava

It's amazing that he has had so many fights at such a young age and he even claims to have about 15 more professional fights that don't appear on his record.

Who knows how big he will be...he's certainly in the right division for big fights.

Wild_Dogger

megadodge wrote: »

PS. If ever he has a film made about him Eamonn Owens (Butcher Boy) is a cert for the lead.

Or if John arne Riise is ever looking for a doppleganger .......

nacho libre

megadodge wrote: »

I get the impression that you think he's a type of brawler. From what I've seen of him he's quite slick. He has a very pugnacious/strong looking build but that belies the classiness and intelligence of his boxing.

I've been quite impressed by him. In the Cotto fight there was a big hoopla made about the near-knockdown he suffered in the first, but that was purely a balance issue brought about by Cotto's hook landing just as Alvarez was throwing his - generating the 'double power' effect.

by Cotto do you mean Miguel's brother. If this is the same guy i'm thinking of he looked impressive against Miguel's brother. Who was a tough cookie and looked a fairly decent boxer.

Johner

Yeah he fought Cotto's brother on the Mayweather - Mosley undercard.

JacksonHeightsOwn

whether he's the second coming of christ or not,

i personally really enjoy watching him,

he's only a kid, yet his mannaer in the ring is one of a veteran, he has good knocout power, lovely slick combinations, a decent chin, and to add insult to injury, Saul O'Alvarez is riding a former Miss Mexico

just sit back and enjoy i reckon

fernandovargas

actually heard today that he's a descendant of a san patricio irish soldier,would explain the red barnet:D

deisedelight

megadodge wrote: »

I get the impression that you think he's a type of brawler. From what I've seen of him he's quite slick. He has a very pugnacious/strong looking build but that belies the classiness and intelligence of his boxing.

I've been quite impressed by him. In the Cotto fight there was a big hoopla made about the near-knockdown he suffered in the first, but that was purely a balance issue brought about by Cotto's hook landing just as Alvarez was throwing his - generating the 'double power' effect. His immediate reaction was so cool and collected - he slipped and parried so many punches on the ropes that Cotto's follow-up was quite ineffective. I thought he was never hurt at any stage, but of course the naysayers went bananas about his chin, etc. It actually proved to me how good his chin was, as he didn't actually go down when most others would have in the same situation.

What bothers me though is the 'star' status he seems to already be receiving. It has all the hallmarks of a million other bad endings before him. Major young talent, gets noticed, attracts attention from 'celebrity' assholes, gets distracted, loses hunger, never fulfils potential. Hopefully he can avoid that sh!t.

PS. If ever he has a film made about him Eamonn Owens (Butcher Boy) is a cert for the lead.

na dont think hes an out and out brawler. i ve seen at least 10 of his fights and hes a kid who is willing to engage . hes no sergio mora. hes your typical old school mexican . his style leaves him self quiet open which is always good for entertainment. hes not the most gracefull of movers but as you say hes a very intelligent fighter whose very well rounded.

deisedelight

chrisbonnie wrote: »

whether he's the second coming of christ or not,

i personally really enjoy watching him,

he's only a kid, yet his mannaer in the ring is one of a veteran, he has good knocout power, lovely slick combinations, a decent chin, and to add insult to injury, Saul O'Alvarez is riding a former Miss Mexico

just sit back and enjoy i reckon

i d second that summing up.well put.
Golden Boy have signed him to a new multi year deal. Should be interesting. i can t see him staying at welter too long as he grows. himself and chavez jr at a catch weight in a couple of yrs would be epic.

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=5598132

deisedelight

fernandovargas wrote: »

actually heard today that he's a descendant of a san patricio irish soldier,would explain the red barnet:D

LOL thats classic if true !!
where did u hear it from

pbffan

Let's not get ahead of ourselves lads, Canelo is still very very raw. He has serious power alright, as seen from his brutal KO of iron chinned Baldomir, but he has more than his fair share of flaws too.
His biggest flaw, without doubt, is his defence, or lack thereof. The 40 year old, shot to bits Baldomir was tagging him for fun in that fight. The "other brother" fairly rattled him back in May too.
Another worry of mine regarding Saul is his speed and footwork - frankly, I'm not impressed. He looks to be pretty slow in my eyes, and doesn't possess a whole load of technical skills either. I read somewhere that his management team were thinking of putting him in against Shane Mosley, I struggle to think of a worse possible fight for him. A past prime Shane Mosley absolutely destroys this kid, he embarrasses him and ruins his career before it's even begun. Mosley's speed, footwork and boxing ability would give Alvarez nightmares. If that fight ever happens(fingers crossed it doesn't for Canelo's sake), I see a Margarito-esque beating being dished out by Mosley

The kid has talent don't get me wrong, I just think he needs a lot of work before being paired off with the big names at 147/154. The worst thing they could do is rush him, there's no need for it, just let him develop and play it by ear

Bodhisopha

Natural successor to De La Hoya? No chance!!!

ODLH truly was the Golden Boy. There is no successor on the horizon in terms of PPV numbers and cross-over appeal.

megadodge

pbffan wrote: »

Let's not get ahead of ourselves lads, Canelo is still very very raw. ....

The "other brother" fairly rattled him back in May too....

Another worry of mine regarding Saul is his speed and footwork - frankly, I'm not impressed. He looks to be pretty slow in my eyes, and doesn't possess a whole load of technical skills either.

I have a few issues with your post.

By "very, very raw" what exactly do you mean? Seriously.

In relation to the Cotto fight, read my earlier post about the nonsense spoken about the first round.

He doesn't have the quickest feet, but he has superb balance and while he isn't Pacman fast he is a long way from being "pretty slow".

The biggest problem I have with your post though is saying he "doesn't possess a whole load of technical skills either"??? Which technical skills does he not possess? Cos I think he throws lovely combinations and picks his punches beautifully at times and all his punches are thrown very techically correct.

pbffan

Fair enough, maybe I was a bit harsh on him. By "very very raw", I was trying to say that he still has a lot of development to go before he moves into the top echelons of boxing. His style needs a bit work, and he still seems kind of 'all over the place' to me at times. The only way he'll tweak these things & become more definite as regards what type of fighter he sees himself as, is by gaining more experience. He needs to stay active, but most crucially - fight the right sort of guys. The kid is only 20, it's absolute madness putting him in there against a Shane Mosley at this stage of his career. He'll turn out to be the next Vargas if his management team decide to god down that route with him, they'll kill him and cut years off his career.
When I called him "pretty slow", I was talking about at the real top level at which his team seem to want him to be competing at. Obviously he's no Valuev, he's pretty mobile, has good balance as you've pointed out, but in comparison with the Pacquiao's, the Mayweather's, the Mosley's, he is. As far as I'm concerned, it shouldn't be an issue - if managed properly Alvarez won't be facing guys of this calibre for years, but he's already being billed as one of Mexico's biggest superstars, and if you believe the stuff you read on the internet, everyone around him seems pretty keen to put him in there against the best.
As for the technical skills, I think he's pretty solid, but at the same time he's nothing spectacular. I think that if we went in there against a guy like Mosley, he would be sorely exposed, that's all.

As you can see, my biggest problem with him is the fact that everyone around him seems intent on rushing him. They should let him develop, make little tweaks here and there, and wait until he's ready before launching him into bouts with the likes of SSM