GATSO Van

highlydebased

Just to give a heads up...

Saw a new Gatso van outside the post boxes on the Dock road last Wednesday evening, and this evening it was outside the halting site on the dual carraigeway to Shannon. Its a 60kmh strech so be careful- I crawled past and it certainly looks like a gatso.

OwenM

A white van that needs a wash?

highlydebased

OwenM wrote: »

A white van that needs a wash?

It was a white transit van but didnt look like it needed a wash to be honest...

Berty

Possibly the D reg van with leaseplan written around the number plate and a big picture of a camera on the back door.

OwenM

No markings, plain white and a bit dirty

BravoMike

They can look like this with the full markings



Or they can look like this without markings





Sorry about the reflection but you get the idea

shg101

Neon-Circles wrote: »

Just to give a heads up...

Saw a new Gatso van outside the post boxes on the Dock road last Wednesday evening, and this evening it was outside the halting site on the dual carraigeway to Shannon. Its a 60kmh strech so be careful- I crawled past and it certainly looks like a gatso.

Sh*te, passed that on Wednesday night was wondering if it was one. Not sure of my speed, but probably over. These things can obviously seen in the effin' dark?

bazz26

I see the gatso van in those photos parked on double yellow lines/bus stop.

manna452121

Just an update:van parked at Kildimo for most of yesterday,Red transit,10 KY reg,no other markings.

Raiser

manna452121 wrote: »

Just an update:van parked at Kildimo for most of yesterday,Red transit,10 KY reg,no other markings.

That's not a Garda Gatso though is it? Am almost sure I read on the Emergency Services Forum here that they are all D Reg's?

- Think they are renovating the new Hairdressers Salon there

BravoMike

Your right its not a Garda van at all. Speed detection has been privatised since the start of the month. The vans can be any make, colour or reg. So if you see any van parked at the side of the road it would be wise you are doing the speed limit passing it.

Raiser

Bravo, Bravo Mike, Roger.

manna452121

Spoke to a local man who walked past the van a saw the camera and computer system inside.

Berty

manna452121 wrote: »

Spoke to a local man who walked past the van a saw the camera and computer system inside.

Raiser

manna452121 wrote: »

Spoke to a local man who walked past the van a saw the camera and computer system inside.

Jesus.

That goes against the Garda stock advice not to leave valuables in view in your Vehicle.

- Best thing to do would be to tape a black bin liner over the back window or something - help them out like......

Berty

Here you.

Every GATSO Location in the Country

http://www.garda.ie/sez/Limerick.aspx#map

zuroph

think I spotted one out near rathkeale on the limerick bound lane today..

edit: sure enough, its on the list of possible spots. everyone would do well to study that list thoroughly.

Berty

zuroph wrote: »

think I spotted one out near rathkeale on the limerick bound lane today..

It's illegal to park in the hard shoulder so any fines incurred would be void if that's where it was parked.

zuroph

Berty wrote: »

It's illegal to park in the hard shoulder so any fines incurred would be void if that's where it was parked.

It was well up onto the grass verge, I noted that. Certain its one now. Even suspicious looking right hand rear window.

Cloud89

I'd say i was got yesterday by Rathkeale too, awh hate those things. I'd say the goverment shall make a fortune on fines from now on.

Twin-go

Berty wrote: »

Here you.

Every GATSO Location in the Country

http://www.garda.ie/sez/Limerick.aspx#map

Some of those locations are dual carrage ways:
eg. LengthFromToRoad/Name4kmLimerickPortdrineRural N18

How is this targeting unsafe locations? Any cameras here are there just to make money!

heybaby

Twin-go wrote: »

Some of those locations are dual carrage ways:
eg. LengthFromToRoad/Name4kmLimerickPortdrineRural N18

How is this targeting unsafe locations? Any cameras here are there just to make money!

Heres a ground breaking idea that will save you a fortune....STICK TO THE SPEED LIMIT:D

phog

Twin-go wrote: »

Some of those locations are dual carrage ways:
eg. LengthFromToRoad/Name4kmLimerickPortdrineRural N18

How is this targeting unsafe locations? Any cameras here are there just to make money!

So you think it's safe to break the speed limit on a dual carrigeway?

Twin-go

heybaby wrote: »

Heres a ground breaking idea that will save you a fortune....STICK TO THE SPEED LIMIT:D

I have no problem sticking to the limit. But the vast majority of road deaths don't happen on dual carrage ways. They should be targeting the roads that are known black spots.

If they want to target carrage ways and motorways the should put patrol cars on them and catch the idiots who tailgate, talk on hand held phones and drive too slow. No GATSO van is going to stop this type of bad driving.

heybaby

Twin-go wrote: »

I have no problem sticking to the limit. But the vast majority of road deaths don't happen on dual carrage ways. They should be targeting the roads that are known black spots.

If they want to target carrage ways and motorways the should put patrol cars on them and catch the idiots who tailgate, talk on hand held phones and drive too slow. No GATSO van is going to stop this type of bad driving.

Road safety is clearly not a priority of the gardai (in fact I dont know what is). They should be targeting all forms of poor behaviour but ''clearly resources are too stretched'' to do so.

Indiots indulge in poor road behaviour because its unlikely they'll get caught and even if they do, the penalty is minimal. It is a sad fact that the authorities despite their bleating accept a certain number of road deaths a year are inevitable (still far too high in my opinion).

With the use of technology the numbers killed on our roads could be reduced to a quarter of what it currently is, very quickly, and the idiots abusing their ability to drive would quickly either be put off the road or alter their behaviour.

Gatso vans, be they placed on the wrong stretch of road or not simply serve to highlight the inconsistent nature of the gardai's / government's approach to road safety, which is at best, deeply flawed. I find it very frustrating myself having to share the nations roads with some people who through their actions behind the wheel, demonstrate their contempt for the lives of other road users. However, i have to remind myself that the only persons behaviour i can influence is my own.:(

Itsdacraic

Twin-go wrote: »

I have no problem sticking to the limit. But the vast majority of road deaths don't happen on dual carrage ways. They should be targeting the roads that are known black spots.

If they want to target carrage ways and motorways the should put patrol cars on them and catch the idiots who tailgate, talk on hand held phones and drive too slow. No GATSO van is going to stop this type of bad driving.

There have been plenty of fatal accidents on that stretch of road from Rathkeale to Adare so I don't think it's unreasonable to have speed checks there.

Twin-go

Itsdacraic wrote: »

There have been plenty of fatal accidents on that stretch of road from Rathkeale to Adare so I don't think it's unreasonable to have speed checks there.

I didn't mention that road

The one I mentioned was the the N18 Ennis road Dual Carrage way.

I have no problem with Cameras on roads that are known to be dangerous.

But, they should be there as a deterant to speeding. On dual carrage ways IMHO they are they for the soul purpose of generating Revenue.

That section of the N18 would be a motorway where it not for the houses that have direct access to it at Cratloe. So is it fare for a GATSO to be parked here and send out Fixed Penalty notices and Points for going 10km/h over the limit.

Motorway and Dual carrage ways are the safest roads in the country. Yes the need to be policed but is GATSO the answer?

Single lane N and R roads on the other hand seem to be where the majority of fatalities happen. Inappropriate speed on these roads leaves no margin for error. They need to focus on making these roads safer along with more policing.

The vast majority of speed traps I have come accross in my 10 years driving have been on Dual carrage ways. This in my opinion is to generate revenue.

griangraf

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Builderfromhell

I have never understood the Irish attitude to evading the law.

Speed kills. That has been scientifically proven. These vans are there to catch and fine speedsters. This may have the efect of getting people to reduce their speed.

If this is at least part of the Gardai's motive then why would so many posters go to the trouble of telling others how to avoid these speed traps. The drivers you are helping may crash into you.

I have found the same with people flashing their lights at oncoming traffic to alert them to the fact that their is a Garda checkpoint ahead. The driver witout insurance or who has been drinking can then avoid the checkpoint and go on to kill or maim.

thesimpsons

Builderfromhell wrote: »

Speed kills. That has been scientifically proven.

eh no, speed doesn't kill. its the stop that can kill

purely a money making exercise dressed up to look like they want to change the driving habits. 10km over the limit on a wide road and you can get nabbed but 10km under the limit on some of our horribly pot holed and twisty bendy roads and you could get killed. Spend the money on upgrading our road surfaces and also on getting rid of learners driving unsupervised, on the hundreds still driving around while on the phone and on the hundreds in unsafe cars and then the roads could be far safer. All too often gardai leave off with a warning learners driving unsupervised. If there were serious about road safety this would be an easy one to monitor.

ligind

Speed Traps and Gatso vans on Dual Carriageways are purely a money making / quota filling excercise and have nothing to do with safety.

Some of the 60kph and 80 kph zones appear quite arbitrary , there was a 50mph zone around cratloe for years which is now a 100 kph zone and nothing has changed.

I dont really follow the logic of where someone doing 70/80/90/100 kph on a 60 kph zone on a dual carriageway is presumed to be more dangerous than someone doing 100kph down a twisty country road which has a 100 kph limit.

Berty

heybaby wrote: »

Heres a ground breaking idea that will save you a fortune....STICK TO THE SPEED LIMIT:D

The Private Company & Gardai have said that they will be monitoring areas where 85% of people speed.

If 85% of people speed then the council should recheck the speed limits.

Take the R513 Newport Roundabout to Newport. The speed limit varies along this stretch but is more confusing at one point, by the Salt Pits(quarry). This is the widest stretch of the road for 55kms yet the speed limit is 60kph along this entire stretch and WHERE do the Gardai put up their speed checks? Exactly.

Bollocks I say!

Ok its an old picture but its fully tarred and lined now. 60kph my arse!

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=r513+limerick+ireland&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=40.732051,93.076172&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=R513,+County+Limerick,+Ireland&ll=52.69023,-8.4778&spn=0.015269,0.045447&z=15&layer=c&cbll=52.69023,-8.4778&panoid=yS3XTr8kEhqiATF4SbAT5w&cbp=12,53.9,,0,12.99

manna452121

Look at the Condell Rd with a bus lane,two new sets of traffic lights and a speed limit of 50km.I have been passed by drivers and also undertaken by buses even when I was doing the correct speed.

Berty

In the UK they got the Gatso van registration number, made around 15 number plates and a bunch of lads spent most of the night passing by it over the speed limit.

LOL

highlydebased

The condell road is a joke. The extra set of lights and the new footpath will certainly prevent the limit from being raised. However, there is nowhere for them to safely park a gatso van there. It would stick out a mile.

Sierra Oscar

Berty wrote: »

The Private Company & Gardai have said that they will be monitoring areas where 85% of people speed.

If 85% of people speed then the council should recheck the speed limits.

Take the R513 Newport Roundabout to Newport. The speed limit varies along this stretch but is more confusing at one point, by the Salt Pits(quarry). This is the widest stretch of the road for 55kms yet the speed limit is 60kph along this entire stretch and WHERE do the Gardai put up their speed checks? Exactly.

Bollocks I say!

Ok its an old picture but its fully tarred and lined now. 60kph my arse!

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=r513+limerick+ireland&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=40.732051,93.076172&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=R513,+County+Limerick,+Ireland&ll=52.69023,-8.4778&spn=0.015269,0.045447&z=15&layer=c&cbll=52.69023,-8.4778&panoid=yS3XTr8kEhqiATF4SbAT5w&cbp=12,53.9,,0,12.99

Totally agreed. That specific speed limit was brought about due to a very few select locals bringing a petition to the council, which was based on pure hysteria and no facts.

Berty

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

Totally agreed. That specific speed limit was brought about due to a very few select locals bringing a petition to the council, which was based on pure hysteria and no facts.

I asked the two local councillors and I was ignored. Go figure. :rolleyes:

Raiser

kev2632 wrote: »

I think its ridiculous how they are just plain white vans!!, over in Scotland they are white vans with a yellow fluorescent back door and a camera sign on it so you can see it well before you get near it,

They should have that here.

That's the whole argument about what the aim is.......

• Are they a deterrent to prevent People from speeding?
  
• Or is the intention to be hard to notice and then punish People for speeding?

- In this case as its been tendered out it is an absolute fact that there is a healthy interest in turning a profit too - So that rules out the whole deterrent side of things........

zuroph

I've seen 3 or 4 now.. ugh, these things are gonna be everywhere!

manna452121

This was spotted on another forum; https://us.v-cdn.net/6034073/uploads/attachments/400903/134606.JPG

Berty

Its Monday when they go live.

I have been very careful recently, even last night coming from Dublin airport home. I kept to the limit whereas normally I didn't.

It was 1am and there it was sitting by Ratcoole. Sneaky!

Seat Ibiza hoofed it passed and got flashed. It was freakin blinding. :mad:

bullets

sorry for the marathon post but.....
I've no problems with gatso vans or speed traps in any shape or form or whoever is operating gatso fans and making money from catching people out breaking the law even by a little bit. If your not breaking the law and if you are driving in a safe manner you have nothing to worry about.

If your NOT then you need to question your way of driving.


Their purpose to me is to catch people speeding and fine those who are, or act as a deterent in making poeple travel
under the speed limit. If its a privite company that makes money from this or the goverment then so be it! you should not be driving over the limit in the first place.

People should not be driving over the speed limit in the first place. I keep hearing people in work say things like
those bastards are only out to get quoata's and that they
were only a bit over the limit, or they should have a le-way of 10% etc to me thats just bollox! the speed limit is there for a reason. Its the max your allowed to go. You should not by default assume that you should be aiming to travel at the Max limit all of the time. If the speed limit is for example is 100kph why do people feel the need to travel 100kph and worse still think that if they are ONLY a little over the limit that they should be let off if they are caught.
If the speed limit is 100kph why cant Drivers say to themselves that they will aim to tavel at 70-80kph instead of trying to increase their speed to the max or a little over.
Whats it going to save on your overall journey a few mins ?

Another thing I hear is people that say, OH I try to stick to
the Limit on the ol moterway but its Hard when other poeple are overtaking me!!!!!! WTF!!!!!!!!!! someone overtakes you and that cuases you to feel that you need to
travel faster!!! :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

Why cant peoples mentality be that they should aim to keep UNDER the speed limit and not be at the edge or slightly over it.

I am totally disgusted and sickened with the attitude I often see with people I know when it comes to Road Safety.

I see people in work send emails warning people where
to look out for speed traps and gatso vans etc.

That to me is saying wink wink nudge nudge we all break the law and here is information to help you not get caught.

If your Son/Daughter/Brother/Sister/husband/wife got killed in the morning by someone that was speeding in their car? would your attitude still be its perfectly OK to
drive over the speed limit as long as you dont get caught ???


~B

source

Agree completely with Bullets, and it's the least sneaky thing I've ever seen when it comes to road traffic enforcement. They've even posted the locations on the internet.

http://www.garda.ie/Controller.aspx?Page=5590

zuroph

bullets wrote: »

If the speed limit is 100kph why cant Drivers say to themselves that they will aim to tavel at 70-80kph instead of trying to increase their speed to the max or a little over.

This is the exact problem. People driving too slow. You need to keep close to 100 KPH if the limit is 100 KPH, and the conditions suit, to go slower is conisdered lack of progress, and would fail you in your driving test. if people go slower they force the cars behind them to go slower, which leads to frustrated drivers, and dangerous overtaking.

phog

zuroph wrote: »

This is the exact problem. People driving too slow. You need to keep close to 100 KPH if the limit is 100 KPH, and the conditions suit, to go slower is conisdered lack of progress, and would fail you in your driving test. if people go slower they force the cars behind them to go slower, which leads to frustrated drivers, and dangerous overtaking.

Drove back from Kerry this evening, coming against me on the Rathkeale bypass was a car doing what looked like about 70 Km/hr, behind this car was 30 other vehilces, I kid you not, my wife counted them. The bypass was built with a curve and junctions left and right so overtaking is difficult but the front car should be obliged to pull in and allow the vehicles that he is holding up to preceed.

padma

In response to Bullets post, sometimes it is difficult to keep under the speed limit. Take for example, you are doing a 100 kph, suddenly the road starts sloping downwards and your car automatically goes to 105/110 kph. We have to keep an eye on the road and every now and again we need to check our speed, This happens a lot on our roads. Especially at spots where it goes from a 100 to 80 to 60 to 50 very closely, rather than slowing down through the gears, we are forced to brake.

The other day driving from Inchicore towards the Naas dual carriageway it turns to a 60 limit for 100 yards, then 50 for maybe 70 yards then back to 60 again. The speed is not set properly for this stretch and folk who do not know the road can get caught in spots like this.

concussion

zuroph wrote: »

if people go slower they force the cars behind them to go slower, which leads to frustrated drivers, and dangerous overtaking.

That's a load of crap - if drivers are overtaking dangerously it's down to them, not the person in front. I've seen this line thrown out way too much, especially wrt cyclists.

For progress on the straight you can only be marked for the following "Where an applicant stays too far back from the vehicle in front while driving along.". If there is no car in front, how can you be marked for failing to progress? Bearing in mind also, that driving tests mostly aimed at city driving, not on national roads (which is a shame)

Insect Overlord

If you ever get stuck doing 60 kph in a zone with a 100kph limit, you'll understand exactly what he means. I've had it happen on stretches between Limerick and Tralee, and also on the road out towards Kilmallock. It's extremely frustrating.

Cookiemunster

foinse wrote: »

Agree completely with Bullets, and it's the least sneaky thing I've ever seen when it comes to road traffic enforcement. They've even posted the locations on the internet.

http://www.garda.ie/Controller.aspx?Page=5590

If you look at that map it lists the Dublin Road out to Annacotty, the Ennis Road, the Clondel Road from the Clonmacken roundabout out and the N24 from Mulgrave St to the Ballysimon Rd out by O'Mara Motors.
I don't care what they claim, with wthese location its is obviously only a money making racket as these are not accident blackspots.

concussion

I've had it too - but it doesn't mean I try to overtake dangerously, or would be justified in doing so.

highlydebased

concussion wrote: »

That's a load of crap - if drivers are overtaking dangerously it's down to them, not the person in front. I've seen this line thrown out way too much, especially wrt cyclists.

For progress on the straight you can only be marked for the following "Where an applicant stays too far back from the vehicle in front while driving along.". If there is no car in front, how can you be marked for failing to progress? Bearing in mind also, that driving tests mostly aimed at city driving, not on national roads (which is a shame)

Its not down to them- its down to other drivers progressing far too slowly making the overtaking driver to become irate!


You would be marked for "speed" in the test for driving slow without due cause.

An applicant should adjust speed to suit road conditions, traffic conditions, roundabouts, cross-junctions, turning right, turning left, and on the approach to traffic controls, or a fault may be recorded for 'Speed' as appropriate. Applicants should comply with the speed limit.