Insulin spikes question

Chris89

I was reading about rice cakes and their (lack of) benefits on a fatloss diet.

I read in another forum that the insulin spike (allbeit a small one) from rice cakes, wouldnt be a problem because the guy was eating them with natural PB.

Why is this? Is this even true?

Sorry for all the similar qs lately. I'm about to start training pretty much full time and am interested in what effects things like this might have on my weight maintenance.

Cheers.

Will Heffernan

Chris89 wrote: »

I was reading about rice cakes and their (lack of) benefits on a fatloss diet.

I read in another forum that the insulin spike (allbeit a small one) from rice cakes, wouldnt be a problem because the guy was eating them with natural PB.

Why is this? Is this even true?

Sorry for all the similar qs lately. I'm about to start training pretty much full time and am interested in what effects things like this might have on my weight maintenance.

Cheers.

You are worrying about the wrong things. Too many people hear spend all their time worrying about the 'nuances' and not enough time actually training. You seem to be in that camp.

Barry.Oglesby

Yeah stop worrying. Some people don't even worry about spelling nuances correctly.

Chris89

Well, I actually train quite hard and quite well in my opinion.. And have been for the last few years. It's the nuances, if anything.. That are letting me down.

And anyway I'm not worried, just very curious.

You have keyboard fingers like many lashing whips it would seem

Barry.Oglesby

Oh good edit Heifer Man.

Will Heffernan

Chris89 wrote: »

I was reading about rice cakes and their (lack of) benefits on a fatloss diet.

I read in another forum that the insulin spike (allbeit a small one) from rice cakes, wouldnt be a problem because the guy was eating them with natural PB.

Why is this? Is this even true?

Sorry for all the similar qs lately. I'm about to start training pretty much full time and am interested in what effects things like this might have on my weight maintenance.

Cheers.

OK....how about this...how about the fact that in my 20 years of work I've never met a single professional athlete who worries as much about their insulin response or their diet as the people on this forum.

I think what I've learned here is that there is actually an inverse relationship between athletic performance/body composition and the amount of planning and detail involved in the individuals nutrition/training.

Chris89

Barry the pan ams and aren't going to win themselves you know!! Every little helps!

I don't really know anything about this sort of lark, I'm just interested is all.

Will Heffernan

Chris89 wrote: »

Well, I actually train quite hard and quite well in my opinion..

Everybody thinks thats....and most people are wrong.

And have been for the last few years.

I'm sure it hasn't 'all' been a complete waste of time.

It's the nuances, if anything.. That are letting me down.

Nope...it's that you don't really have a clue what you are doing. That's fine though.

And anyway I'm not worried, just very curious.

It just doesn't matter. Trust me.

You have keyboard fingers like many lashing whips it would seem

If you ask me a straight question I'll give you a straight answer...the problem here is people don't want the truth.

Chris89

Em, ok..

I'm not worried, just curious.

I read that the carbs, coupled with fats (PB) wouldn't have the same effect as the carbs by themselves.

I didn't understand this and was just wondering if anyone could shed some light??

Everyone has to start somewhere mate?

Will Heffernan

Chris89 wrote: »

Em, ok..

You're just trying to placate me now aren't you?

I'm not worried, just curious.

That's cool...it is just that there is way better things nutritionally that you should be worried about.

I read that the carbs, coupled with fats (PB) wouldn't have the same effect as the carbs by themselves.

Absolutely correct.

I didn't understand this and was just wondering if anyone could shed some light??

If you ask me a proper question I'll shed so much light on it for you that you'll think you are in one of those movie interogations.

Everyone has to start somewhere mate?

It's good that you decided to start at the beginning...lets try and speed it along so we can talk about the good stuff.

Will Heffernan

10 views and 9 replies...lets get this over and done with before anyone notices we're here talking.

Chris89

Surely it would be less time consuming for you to even briefly surmise why it is correct?

I know you want to.

Will Heffernan

Chris89 wrote: »

Surely it would be less time consuming for you to even briefly surmise why it is correct?

I know you want to.

Fats slow digestion.

Next question.

Chris89

Is there such a thing as drinking too much water?

Will Heffernan

Chris89 wrote: »

Is there such a thing as drinking too much water?

Absolutely.

Hail 2 Da Chimp

Hi Chris,
Every time I need to drop weight for a competion, I follow the plan:
K.I.S.S.
Keep, It, Simple, Stupid!
I think what the guys are trying to say is, try not to get bogged down with the little things, just make sure you're eating clean and putting in the hard work. It's generally a slow process reducing your %BF so your best bet is regular bodyfat testing by someone who knows how, which is what helped me most.
Track your progress and don't worry about the rice cakes (chocolate rice cakes FTW!).

Chris89

Thanks mate,

To clarify though, I've cut weight loads of times for comps.

I am in no way worried about these little things, I was just curious as I pretty much only know the wry basics of bulking and cutting diets.

I probably overspecified in my op. Should have just asked a direct question!

As far as k.I.s.s; I'm as simple as they come believe me!

Hail 2 Da Chimp

Ya it's keeping it off that I find the problem - comp's finished, booze and pizza everyday for 2 months :pac:

Chris89

Will Heffernan wrote: »

Absolutely.

How would you gauge this in one of your athletes??

Would I not excrete any excess?

I'm taking you up on the whole next question thing.

Cole

Will Heffernan wrote: »

OK....how about this...how about the fact that in my 20 years of work I've never met a single professional athlete who worries as much about their insulin response or their diet as the people on this forum.

So true, the intricate analysis on this forum concerning training/diet is amazing. If you are a professional athlete or compete at a high level in a sport, then it's perfectly understandable to analyse every minute detail.

For the rest of us, it's unnecessary to go into the slightly obsessive detail demonstrated here at times. Just get on with it. (not directed at the op personally)

Will Heffernan

Chris89 wrote: »

Thanks mate,

To clarify though, I've cut weight loads of times for comps.

I am in no way worried about these little things, I was just curious as I pretty much only know the wry basics of bulking and cutting diets.

I probably overspecified in my op. Should have just asked a direct question!

As far as k.I.s.s; I'm as simple as they come believe me!

The more direct the question the more direct the answer.

Look what has happened with that other thread...I think it is incredible...you ask basically whether coke zero will hold back your fat loss...the answer is no it doesn't effect you at all...whether it effects your insulin or not (it does...but barely)...people will be over on that thread wasting their time arguing over nothing for days.

Here you are asking about rice cakes...let me break something down here for you.

A rice cake has 30-50 calories in it...I am not even going to look it up because I will never have anything to do with rice cakes or any assorted queerness of that kind so long as I live...so I'm just guessing.

Your question seems to be in two parts:
1. How will consuming a 30 calorie rice cake effect my insulin response....my answer to you....who the feck cares...it's 30 calories....you've used up more calories posting in this thread than you got from that stupid piece of cardboard food.

2. You want to know whether smearing this 30 calorie rice cake with 200 calories of fatty peanut butter deliciousness will somehow blunt this insulin response.

This is why I look the way that I do...not because I get punched in the face a lot...it's because I read this forum and constantly end up smashing myselfin the face with my keyboard.

d'Oracle

What about corn cakes?:P

Will Heffernan

Cole wrote: »

So true, the intricate analysis on this forum concerning training/diet is amazing.

I actually have never seen anything like it. Sometimes I don't know whether to laugh or cry. There are people here that have been planning the 'nuances' of their training and diet for 3 months or more...without actually starting it...I just don't get it...what's worse is there are people here that should know better that encourage this sort of behaviour. I personally find it quite sad. You don't need to live on oats and water to be 'ripped' or get 'shredded' or whatever the hell people want to call getting in shape. Chris doesn't need to worry about the insulin response to Coke Zero or rice cakes...he needs to do what he already knows is the right thing and just get on with training.

If you are a professional athlete or compete at a high level in a sport, then it's perfectly understandable to analyse every minute detail.

Don't want to keep going on about it but I'd rather see people here writing about all the training that they did and all the excellent food they ate to try to recover from it than all the training they plan to do and all the food they are not going to eat so that their abs will be AWESOME.

For the rest of us, it's unnecessary to go into the slightly obsessive detail demonstrated here at times. Just get on with it. (not directed at the op personally)

Yes

Inspector Coptoor

Chris89 wrote: »

Is there such a thing as drinking too much water?

yeah, sure is.

bit of light reading for you

http://articles.elitefts.com/articles/nutrition/water-consumption/

Chris89

Hi will

You don't seem to be getting me. I'm not worrying about these things mm just curious. You obviously found them interesting too at some stage because you learned about them?

I train as hard as I can and have been doing so for a long time. I respect your opinions which is why I asked for them on that other thread.

You don't know who i am, what I'm training for or how much work I am putting in. Don't always assume the worst! Not everyone knows as much as you, I'm just curious about stuff like this and am interested to know how it works.

Sure, insulin is a buzz word on this forum. That's one of the reasons I started reading about it, again just out of curiosity not worry.

I guess my only mistake was putting my question in context and using myself as an example. Curiosity really does Kill the cat it seems

You should probably invest in a padded keyboard too. I've seen pictures.

Giggipaws

Will Heffernan wrote: »

You are worrying about the wrong things. Too many people hear spend all their time worrying about the 'nuances' and not enough time actually training. You seem to be in that camp.

I agree 100% ....
Giggi