New World Cup Proposals

riffmongous

http://www.cricinfo.com/ci-icc/content/current/story/477274.html

http://www.cricinfo.com/ci-icc/content/current/story/477281.html

ICC proposal to make the 2015 50-over world cup a 10 team affair, possibly with some sort of qualification system- they haven't decided yet- and open up the 20/20 world cup to 16 teams.

It seems they want to revamp the 50world cup after the sham (in the eyes of the full members) that was 2007. Didn't help that we knocked out Pakistan which cost them a lot of viewers. Even with a qualification system this can't be good for Ireland.

While the expansion to a 16 team 20/20 is welcomed, I would have thought the 20/20 should have been 16 team right from the start.

djimi

Just one more way the ICC is slamming the door in the face of the associate members. They already have the Champions Trophy which is a closed affair, why do we need a second such trophy?

One of the great things about a world cup, in any sport, is the possibility of the minnow defeating the giant. Can anyone (other than Pakistanis) say that in 2007 they didnt enjoy watching us defeat Pakistan? I know it might have lost the WC some viewers, but at the end of the day its what the WC is supposed to be all about.

The world cup should be open to every nation in the world who can field a team of 11 people who can hold a cricket bat. There should be qualification like in the football world cup that includes everyone, the test nations included. The tournament itself should have a minimum of 16 teams in it, more even. It should be a showcase to expand cricket all over the world; not close it off to all but the already very small number of full nations.

Countries like Ireland and Afghanistan have made huge strides forward in recent years, but what is the point of us continuing with development efforts if its going to lead nowhere? Were not likely to get test cricket anytime that any of us will be alive to see it, we get a handful of one day internationals, often against skeleton squads of the test nations, and now were being excluded from the world cup? The ICC needs to cop onto themselves and take a step back and a serious look at the world of cricket, because as it stands they are doing nothing to develop it, and without expansion and development it will stagnate and wither away. Its time to let the old guard out to pasture and bring in some new blood with some fresh ideas and real vision...

schemingbohemia

If the ICC goes ahead with this (and at the moment it's just a proposal) it will be basically a 2 fingered salute to the associates, it's an absolute disgrace. :mad:

aonghus.m

The World Cup in 2007 was a poor format, too many Super 8 matches with nothing on the line
I reckon a 12 team tournament is sufficient for the 50 over game as there is realistically only room for 4 of the so called poorer teams (Zim Bang Ire Afg etc etc..) to still have an overall exciting high quality tournament, which all allegiences aside is what we want to watch.
In the year beforehand a Qualifier tournament could be held in the region hosting the World Cup itself (similar to soccers Confederations Cup) involving Zimbabwe Bangladesh and the current WCL Div 1 Associate teams, with a format based something along the lines of the current Champions Trophy.
For the tournament proper a model based on the 2011 world cup with 2 groups of 6, but where the top team in each advance directly to semi finals, while the next 2 in each are drawn into 2 quarter finals. Thats how i think they should approach it.

riffmongous

aonghus.m wrote: »

In the year beforehand a Qualifier tournament could be held in the region hosting the World Cup itself (similar to soccers Confederations Cup) involving Zimbabwe Bangladesh and the current WCL Div 1 Associate teams, with a format based something along the lines of the current Champions Trophy.

Unfortunately I don't think the ICC will ever allow a situation where an associate could qualify at the expense of a full member, it simply wouldn't be good for their politics

riffmongous

There is a petition on the cricketeurope website for anyone that is interested, its better than doing nothing

http://www.cricketeurope4.net/CRICKETEUROPE/index.shtml

barrera

It is absolutely ridiculous that they are set to make a decision on this before the 2011 World Cup with the new format.

The new format surely will meet the desire to have:

1. Lots of games
2. Insurance against one bad day for a major nation meaning they are on their way home - so the excitement of the shock but keeping the precious TV money (and frankly if any full member loses to both Ireland and the Dutch say in a CWC, they deserve to be out on their ar$e)
3. Plenty of exposure for the leading associates against the major nations

As djimi says, World Cups in any sport are about allowing all who play a given sport to participate. With the state of affairs in Pakistan now, Zimbabwe recently, and the long-term decline of WI, surely the ICC should be getting to a situation where there is greater depth in the number of nations playing top level cricket, not reducing it. Why are all world sports governing bodies so bloody clueless?! :mad:

TheDrog

They've gone ahead with plans. All about the money the sport no longer means anything

djimi

The ICC have got to be the most antiquated, backwards thinking sporting organization around. They have no interest in developing cricket beyond their cosy little closed shop that they have going, and as it stands they are killing the long term future of the game of cricket. I said it above and I stand by my statement - its time to get rid of the stuffy old gits from the ICC who have no vision or interest in moving the game forward and bring in some young fresh thinking minds who can bring the game forward and develop it as a worldwide sport.

If cricket allows these dinosaurs to continue running the game there will be no international cricket in a few years, and I truely and sadly believe that.

Cremated

There is a lot of people talking about it here,

http://tiny.cc/xp8m3

only reason I post this, is to show how other people feel about it, a lot of people on the site think it's idiotic and also people on Cricinfo are feeling it's a very bad move...

JustinDee

Its myopic, greedy and regressive.
The powerbase of certain countries in the ICC are ill-informed with this move.

riffmongous

I guess the most important thing now is to ask where Irish cricket is to go from here? Are we limited to just being a 20 over team now?

It pretty much makes a mockery of Cricket Irelands application for special status anyway