Pubicans beginning their Pre -Budget lobbying

Fulton Crown

Yeah ..Christmas is comin...the fookin pubicans is ramping up their lobby on the Gov'ment.

Watch for their attack on offies and Supermarket drink sales...try to discredit them and cry unfair competition.

Watch them bleating about a reduction in exise duty...and going on about the high cost of utilities.

fact is ..these cnunts have been well rumbled by a more discerning public...who see the obscene rip orfs on soft drinks and shoddy uncaring service for what they are.

Yes ..we will buy our beer /wine from offies and supermarkets and drink at home because they offer GOOD VALUE a factor sadly lacking in your offering.

Serve you better to recognise that you are in the HOSPITALITY area and depend on satisfied and appreciated CUSTOMERS.

Who do not forget your opportunistic hiking of prices at Rugby weekends etc.

Keep an eye out on their fookin antics and do not let them screw us...pre budget pubicans watch initiated .....YES !

duckysauce

Fulton Crown wrote: »

Yeah ..Christmas is comin...the fookin pubicans is ramping up their lobby on the Gov'ment.

Watch for their attack on offies and Supermarket drink sales...try to discredit them and cry unfair competition.

Watch them bleating about a reduction in exise duty...and going on about the high cost of utilities.

fact is ..these cnunts have been well rumbled by a more discerning public...who see the obscene rip orfs on soft drinks and shoddy uncaring service for what they are.

Yes ..we will buy our beer /wine from offies and supermarkets and drink at home because they offer GOOD VALUE a factor sadly lacking in your offering.

Serve you better to recognise that you are in the HOSPITALITY area and depend on satisfied and appreciated CUSTOMERS.

Who do not forget your opportunistic hiking of prices at Rugby weekends etc.

Keep an eye out on their fookin antics and do not let them screw us...pre budget pubicans watch initiated .....YES !

were you in a pub tonite ?

Biggins

They won't need to lobby too hard seeing as a good deal of FF are involved in the pub/leisure trade.

Fulton Crown

Biggins wrote: »

They won't need to lobby too hard seeing as a good deal of FF are involved in the pub/leisure trade.

That's just what worries me Big Fella.

Cnunts need watchin...close watchin.

All it needs is good people like you to do nothin.......let's not let them fook us over again....

patwicklow

I totally agree with op, as a former Pubican in the uk, over here they seemed to have killed the goose, rip off prices bad service, i went to a pub thats near my village on sat night there was only about 15-20 people in there, the beer was rank was looking at there menu for a beef stew the price was €11.95 now come on.. and the toilet was disgusting with a scum build up on the stainless steel no hand towel or was there toilet paper in there either, and this is a well known pub been on tv ect. so to me most of them are money grabbing and have no pride left in what they do.

Fulton Crown

duckysauce wrote: »

were you in a pub tonite ?

Well
set o ut po st

no spelin errirs
makin com
plete sence

OF COURSE NOT !

duckysauce

so you were at home smokin crack so ?

Poly

Leave him alone, he just has a bit of nasal congestion;)

Fulton Crown

patwicklow wrote: »

I totally agree with op, as a former Pubican in the uk, over here they seemed to have killed the goose, rip off prices bad service, i went to a pub thats near my village on sat night there was only about 15-20 people in there, the beer was rank was looking at there menu for a beef stew the price was €11.95 now come on.. and the toilet was disgusting with a scum build up on the stainless steel no hand towel or was there toilet paper in there either, and this is a well known pub been on tv ect. so to me most of them are money grabbing and have no pride left in what they do.

This is exactly what I mean Patrick.

Most pubicans see a pub as a means of getting as much money as possible with the minimum of effort.

Heard one of their spinners on newstalk recently bleating about all the shoite mentioned in my first post.

Fair ground my gears so it did....fookin interviewer never tackled the spinner on the poor service and rip orf tactics of some of his members.

Watch them folks ..watch them very closely...

Fulton Crown

duckysauce wrote: »

so you were at home smokin crack so ?

No ...just tippin back a bit o wine...you got any snow ??

duckysauce

Fulton Crown wrote: »

This is exactly what I mean Patrick.

Most pubicans see a pub as a means of getting as much money as possible with the minimum of effort.

Heard one of their spinners on newstalk recently bleating about all the shoite mentioned in my first post.

Fair ground my gears so it did....fookin interviewer never tackled the spinner on the poor service and rip orf tactics of some of his members.

Watch them folks ..watch them very closely...

why do you go back if there is poor service ?

Fulton Crown

duckysauce wrote: »

why do you go back if there is poor service ?

I don't pal.

But a well run pub which recognises it's customers is a good place to be in.

I don't think you get the drift of my post.....also in rural areas there ar limited choices within walkin distance.

Gettin the drift now pal.......?

duckysauce

not your pal and still dont have a clue what you are talking about

Fulton Crown

duckysauce wrote: »

not your pal and still dont have a clue what you are talking about

Is this a recent problem pal or were you always a bit thick ?

duckysauce

Fulton Crown wrote: »

Is this a recent problem pal or were you always a bit thick ?

no mate :rolleyes: only with your postings pal mate

goose2005

Fulton Crown wrote: »

Yeah ..Christmas is comin...the fookin pubicans is ramping up their lobby on the Gov'ment.

Watch for their attack on offies and Supermarket drink sales...try to discredit them and cry unfair competition.

I suppose we should ban food sales in shops too, they make it too hard for restaurants to earn money. Also, in a restaurant the waiter will make sure people don't eat too much, and you don't have people eating on street corners dropping wrappers everywhere.

Of course, why do people go to a restaurant when they can just cook themselves? Because they get better food, good service, etc.

timespast

Fulton Crown wrote: »

Yeah ..Christmas is comin...the fookin pubicans is ramping up their lobby on the Gov'ment.

Watch for their attack on offies and Supermarket drink sales...try to discredit them and cry unfair competition.

Watch them bleating about a reduction in exise duty...and going on about the high cost of utilities.

fact is ..these cnunts have been well rumbled by a more discerning public...who see the obscene rip orfs on soft drinks and shoddy uncaring service for what they are.

Yes ..we will buy our beer /wine from offies and supermarkets and drink at home because they offer GOOD VALUE a factor sadly lacking in your offering.

Serve you better to recognise that you are in the HOSPITALITY area and depend on satisfied and appreciated CUSTOMERS.

Who do not forget your opportunistic hiking of prices at Rugby weekends etc.

Keep an eye out on their fookin antics and do not let them screw us...pre budget pubicans watch initiated .....YES !

Supermarkets offer good value? Indeed they are offering them in some cases at almost no profit.....to entice their customers in.

Publicans aren't able to bring in their own drink from outlets that they might wish to.

There is unfair competition..it's not a level playing field.....and Im no publican.

I can't speak for Rugby weekends......its expensive enough in Dublin.....I fully support our local publicans....they really are trying to do their best.

As for drinking at home........ the price might be cheap but quality is awful. I like a few pints in a bar on the weekend with a few friends .....the idea of sitting in an armchair drinking bottled beer is just sad to me.

patwicklow

Fulton Crown wrote: »

I don't pal.

But a well run pub which recognises it's customers is a good place to be in.

I don't think you get the drift of my post.....also in rural areas there ar limited choices within walkin distance.

Gettin the drift now pal.......?

Yes thats the way a pub sould be run were the customer is number one.
i was trained as a barman by a Galway women and by god was she tough to work for, not to be standing about like a lemon as theres always some thing to be done. clean glasses,toilets,shelves.polish bottles presenting drinks to customers with your hand at the lower end of the glass and not were there they put there lips on. now a days you go to a pub the staff are not trained end of.
i was in the trade 17years between uk and Ireland and i find when i apply for a job or send in my Cv to hotels ect they dont want to know as they want mostly polish staff. so gone are the days of a good trained up Irish Barman as well.

bryaner

timespast wrote: »

Supermarkets offer good value? Indeed they are offering them in some cases at almost no profit.....to entice their customers in.

Publicans aren't able to bring in their own drink from outlets that they might wish to.

There is unfair competition..it's not a level playing field.....and Im no publican.

I can't speak for Rugby weekends......its expensive enough in Dublin.....I fully support our local publicans....they really are trying to do their best.

As for drinking at home........ the price might be cheap but quality is awful. I like a few pints in a bar on the weekend with a few friends .....the idea of sitting in an armchair drinking bottled beer is just sad to me.

Yes Dublin pubs are making an effort last time I was up there noticed that prices had come down a good bit ( not temple bar )

But pubs in my home town couldn't give a bollox, no price reductions and shoddy service.

Most of the pubs where I live were handed down from generation to generation, so no mortgage's on them hence little effort..

invinciblePRSTV

What's the story with pub licensing these days? is it still a case you have to buy a pre-existing one?

bryaner

invinciblePRSTV wrote: »

What's the story with pub licensing these days? is it still a case you have to buy a pre-existing one?

Yesh.

Fulton Crown

timespast wrote: »

Supermarkets offer good value? Indeed they are offering them in some cases at almost no profit.....to entice their customers in.

Yes they do...and why not take advantage.

Publicans aren't able to bring in their own drink from outlets that they might wish to.

Tough ! Why not try to compete in areas other than price ?

There is unfair competition..it's not a level playing field.....and Im no publican.

Don't agree there pal

I can't speak for Rugby weekends......its expensive enough in Dublin.....I fully support our local publicans....they really are trying to do their best.

Of course you can't...fcukers were trying to gouge us...simple as.

As for drinking at home........ the price might be cheap but quality is awful. I like a few pints in a bar on the weekend with a few friends .....the idea of sitting in an armchair drinking bottled beer is just sad to me

.

Agreed it's not ideal pal..but if the alternative is grumpy expensive rip off service,,,to fuel some cnunts 10 merc...well then....

mikemac

patwicklow wrote: »

presenting drinks to customers with your hand at the lower end of the glass and not were there they put there lips on.

I hate when bar staff do that.
I trained as a barman with CERT in Limerick. I think CERT got taken over by Fáilte Ireland.
Kinda equivalent to FAS but a lot better run. I loved my time with CERT and gained a lot of confidence from it.

Any my other hate is barmen using a glass in the ice bucket.
If that glass chips you may not see it and then the customer gets a sliver of glass in their drink.

The VFI are welcome to lobby, any organization in Ireland can lobby.
Here are some of their demands/wish list

The VFI is calling on the government to introduce:


- measures to prohibit the below cost selling and the practice of irresponsible marketing and promotion of alcohol in supermarkets


- 25% reduction in rates back to 2002 levels, in line with the current cost of living

As for this, lol
Lobbying to have blood alchohol limits revised is going to a tough message to get media support

“The pub industry throughout the country has been brought to its knees by severe over regulation in the last few years and the new blood alcohol limits will be the final nail in the coffin.

bryaner

My local is selling northern coors, 90 cent converted to €4.40 Bastard

invinciblePRSTV

bryaner wrote: »

Yesh.

Still a cartel so i see. Much like a stopped clock being correct twice a day, McDowell was right on this one when he proposed opening up the licensing regime, that'd put manners on lazy publicans sharpish.

goose2005

timespast wrote: »

Supermarkets offer good value? Indeed they are offering them in some cases at almost no profit.....to entice their customers in.

Supermarkets often do the same with books, music, and a whole host of other products. But those industries don't whine about it. Also, many British pubs sell beer at a tiny profit, making most of their money from food.

Publicans aren't able to bring in their own drink from outlets that they might wish to.

What?

There is unfair competition..it's not a level playing field.....and Im no publican.

Why should there be a "level playing field"? I'm going to set up a "smokeshop", selling cigarettes for €2 each for people to smoke on the premises. Then I'm going to whine that it's unfair that Spar is selling them for €8 a 20pack and I can't compete.

invinciblePRSTV wrote: »

What's the story with pub licensing these days? is it still a case you have to buy a pre-existing one?

I believe so, another idiotic privilege that the licensing industry holds.

duckysauce

yep just like the taxis , that turned out great

timespast

Fulton Crown wrote: »

Agreed it's not ideal pal..but if the alternative is grumpy expensive rip off service,,,to fuel some cnunts 10 merc...well then....

How about moving away from certain parts of the southside to do your drinking?

OK fair enough if I was living in a part of Dublin Id have something to complain about.

I can only speak about rural Ireland.......€3.25 a pint.

timespast

bryaner wrote: »

My local is selling northern coors, 90 cent converted to €4.40 Bastard

If your local publican is doing that I think that might be illegal.

Inspectors do call to all bars.......to mine regularly.

invinciblePRSTV

duckysauce wrote: »

yep just like the taxis , that turned out great

A stunning success for the consumer and another cosy cartel smashed, happy days. Here's hoping the publicans get taken out next.

bryaner

timespast wrote: »

If your local publican is doing that I think that might be illegal.

Inspectors do call to all bars.......to mine regularly.

I know its illegal and the offie across the road is at it to..

duckysauce

invinciblePRSTV wrote: »

A stunning success for the consumer and another cosy cartel smashed,

you are having a laugh, the cnuts are still over charging , and most of them dont even know where to take you, hows that good ?

invinciblePRSTV

duckysauce wrote: »

you are having a laugh, the cnuts are still over charging , and most of them dont even know where to take you, hows that good ?

Yeah taxis still pricey, but i rather get gouged by a taxi i've hopped into straight away then rather then one i had to wait half an hour for like the bad ol' days.

Anyway.... pub licensing is a joke, open it up to whoever wants one for a minimal price. Perhaps having alcohol served in local cafe's & restaurants rather then grotty pubs will encourage publicans to get their game together and/or encourage Irish people to lessen their binge drinking ways.

goose2005

duckysauce wrote: »

yep just like the taxis , that turned out great

Yes, it did. It's far easier to get a cab nowadays. The taxi industry exists to serve the public, not the operators who think they should earn €60,000 a year for knowing the way to Cabra. Prior to deregulation, licenses were going for £80,000.

duckysauce

they dont know the way to cabra these days

RATM

Take a look at this letter in the Indo today. Kevin James O'Mahony of California decries the smoking ban as ruining Irish pubs.


http://www.independent.ie/opinion/letters/smoking-ban-not-fair-on-publicans-2345865.html

Smoking ban not fair on publicans

AS a non-smoker and a passionate teetotaller, I am nonetheless concerned at the disturbing impact that Ireland’s smoking ban is having on the traditional Irish pub.

The decline of the traditional pub throughout these islands will result in overall negative consequences, such as an increase in social isolation in rural communities, a surge in binge drinking in private houses, a loss in tourism revenue and a decline in British and Irish cultural traditions.

More importantly, it runs counter to the basic principle of freedom of enterprise to compel a private business owner to cater to the demands of nonsmoking customers, who are otherwise perfectly entitled to do business in another establishment if they so elect.

The Government should refrain from inflicting oppressive nanny-state laws upon publicans who are simply trying to earn a living and cater to the demands of the free market.

They have every moral right to run their enterprises as they see fit, and to allow their customers to smoke inside their own private businesses if that is what they want.

KEVIN JAMES O’MAHONY

SAN JOSE, CALIFORNIA

Hmmmm, a non-smoking Californian resident, who lives in one of the most anti-smoking places in the world, is now decrying the smoking ban as ruining Irish pubs? A non-smoker calling for smoking?

I call shennanigans on this one. The publican's lobby has taken to letter writing to back up their general tales of woe.

ILA

Fianna Fail: The Publican's Party.

gurramok

They still haven't copped on since 2004 that its principally the price of a pint thats the issue, not the smoking ban. Let them go out of business, people are sick of paying nearly 6 quid a pint in Dublin on a Saturday night out.