Darwin was wrong-98FM

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I heard an add on 98 FM radio (which is a Dublin station) today from some guy offering a large cash prize for anyone who can prove biochemically the truth of the theory of evolution, and there was some website mentioned. Unfortunately I didn't get the details as I was only half listening at the time.
I'm guessing the prize is spurious, ie Terms & Conditions making it impossible to claim. But I wonder who puts up the money for the adds. Hopefully its not the precursor to something else, like someone setting up a creationist school.
If I hear the add again I'll post more details.

strobe

Related to this, I would say.

http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056030584

Pyr0

Couldn't people do the exact same thing for believers to prove that God exists ?

I can imagine the uproar that'd arise from something like that though.

Pyr0

Pyr0 wrote: »

Couldn't people do the exact same thing for believers to prove that God exists ?

I can imagine the uproar that'd arise from something like that though.

There is sorta:
http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge.html

Zillah

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn14094-bacteria-make-major-evolutionary-shift-in-the-lab.html

Direct debit will be fine.

stevejazzx

Zillah wrote: »

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn14094-bacteria-make-major-evolutionary-shift-in-the-lab.html

Direct debit will be fine.

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I think you should at the very least give half to Lenski...I mean he seems to have done all the legwork on this:)

hiorta

Darwin's views stood for some 300 years until Einstein came along.
This pattern is likely to continue as intellect evolves, knowledge is gained and a wider world view throws off the restrictions of religious indoctrination.

Good times ahead!

hiorta

hiorta wrote: »

Darwin's views stood for some 300 years until Einstein came along.

What

pts

hiorta wrote: »

Darwin's views stood for some 300 years until Einstein came along.

Mary is that you?

Sam Vimes

hiorta wrote: »

Darwin's views stood for some 300 years until Einstein came along.

Newton's view....?

MagicMarker

hiorta wrote: »

Darwin's views stood for some 300 years until Einstein came along.

Que?

mohawk

hiorta wrote: »

Darwin's views stood for some 300 years until Einstein came along.

Galvasean

I'd also like to ad a

stevejazzx

hiorta wrote: »

Darwin's views stood for some 300 years until Einstein came along.
This pattern is likely to continue as intellect evolves, knowledge is gained and a wider world view throws off the restrictions of religious indoctrination.

Good times ahead!

What kind of calculations are you using to come up with that 300 years between Darwin (died 1882) and Einstein (born 1879) - as they were, for a brief time, alive at the same time? Also one was a biologist, one a physicist.
Perhaps I need to look at general relativity again...John J. may is probably an Einstein specialist like your good self.:D

purple_hatstand

someone somewhere knows something we don't about time travel, obviously:eek::D

ShooterSF

purple_hatstand wrote: »

someone somewhere knows something we don't about time travel, obviously:eek::D

Don't you know Eintein travelled back in time to kill hitler but ended up causing a great war between Stalin's Soviets and the Allies?

mikhail

Which Red Alert was that?

sink

ShooterSF wrote: »

Don't you know Eintein travelled back in time to kill hitler but ended up causing a great war between Stalin's Soviets and the Allies?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_R6xCWcf_VU

bnt

Only in Ireland - or certain parts of the USA - do we get stuff like this. I was in Eason's today, and took a look at the Biology LC textbooks. They're better than I remember from a few years ago, when one had something like "Evolution is only one theory of many" - none of that this time. But one said "no-one has observed evolution in action", which is cobblers. There are scientists encouraging evolution in fruit flies in laboratories and watching it happen, like this from way back in 1997. There are guys who could answer that radio presenter's question, if they could be dragged away from the microscope for a few seconds. I remember reading about another experiment in which cockroaches were evolved specifically to resist radiation - which they eventually did. :eek:

But why would you look for a biochemical link to evolution? I never heard the radio bit, so I don't know what was meant. There isn't any kind of "evolution chemistry" inside living beings, and there doesn't need to be: individual beings don't evolve during their lives, species evolve over multiple lifetimes, and the mechanism is simply the passing on of genes to the next generation, or not. There is a theory that traits evolve through use or disuse, known as Lamarckism, but there's not much support for it.

Hivemind187

good grief ... he's been taking public speaking lessons from Bill o'Reilly.

And I agree, it's a disgrace that the minister of science is launching this twoddle (indeed it owuld be that ANY politician would do so).

Roll on the sodding revolution eh? :rolleyes:

Nailz

These C&C: Red Alert referrences are giving me a great sense of nostalgia...

Tim Robbins

Newton you mean? and he was only slightly wrong. His laws still hold for the the majority of scenarios. Einstens just hold more for.

Scarinae

I'm interested to know what this numpty would actually accept as 'proof'. He's clearly not a scientist in any shape or form, so I think he would probably reject proof, and would only accept something if you managed to argue him round with rhetoric

One of my friends suggested going along with the results of the Lenski experiment and claiming the prize, then donating the money back to Lenski's group. Imagine the headlines: "Anti-evolution writer funds group that proved evolution"

humanji

Fishie wrote: »

I'm interested to know what this numpty would actually accept as 'proof'.

I get the feeling if it was written in a very old book, that he'd accept it.

vibe666

Zillah wrote: »

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn14094-bacteria-make-major-evolutionary-shift-in-the-lab.html

Direct debit will be fine.

i'll take it in any form, i'm not fussy at all.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/09/100901-science-animals-evolution-australia-lizard-skink-live-birth-eggs/

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vibe666 wrote: »

i'll take it in any form, i'm not fussy at all.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/09/100901-science-animals-evolution-australia-lizard-skink-live-birth-eggs/

I don't think he will understand all that viviparous stuff, but try telling him you have discovered a lizard thats turning into a snake....:D