Protest @ FF think-in, Ardilaun Hotel, Taylors hill, Galway from 11am Mon!!

Elevator

I for one cannot wait to let them all have a piece of my mind!!

whos with me!?!

Thrill

Hehehe, a FF think-in. Nice one.

Pookah

Elevator wrote: »

I for one cannot wait to let them all have a piece of my mind!!

Isn't that what happens at think-ins?

I'll be at work

think-in though, lol

Liam Byrne

Sounds like a plan!

4zn76tysfajdxp

Elevator wrote: »

whos with me!?!

I'd love to go. Will you give me a lift?

Elevator

no lift going I'm afraid, if I had transport would be no bother at all!

we'll be getting the bus ourselves, would be great if there was unprecedented noise made at this!! I'll be lend my voice and say what has to be said!!

any special requests?

SeaFields

Elevator wrote: »

I for one cannot wait to let them all have a piece of my mind!!

whos with me!?!

Best of luck op.

Give em hell, the cnuts.

Elevator

if there was ever a time to shake to fist while screaming from the top o your lungs it's while the lot of the fuppin backstards are in the one place enjoying their extended holiday period!!

the SWP and a few more groups shall be in attendance so if you're free around 11am and actually give a **** about what these guys are all getting away with then join us and in numbers we can throw the fcukers a bit of grief for their troubles!!!!

Piste

What on Earth is a think-in?

Pherekydes

Piste wrote: »

What on Earth is a think-in?

They all meet up and do something they never ever normally do from one end of the year to the other.

Biggins

Piste wrote: »

What on Earth is a think-in?

They get all the basic disillusional, brainwashed cult like members of FF and make them feel special and make them also feel like they are a part of the organisation, helping to create how the party will work in future.
- There is usually a video shown on a large screen with rousing music played in the background, of the many things they have claimed to have done but they gloss over with no comment, their many, many failures and dodgy activities.

In fact what happens is they then come up with a few PR stunts - gimmicks - cheap policies to try out at all local levels around the country that might be vote winners with the sheep of the counties/towns.

On top of that, a few top heads appear, speak a few rousing words "your all playing a great part in the running of your great country..." - then the top heads walk off stage, get in their cars and drive back to their next big dinner, celeb function or cutting of a ribbon.

Meanwhile back at the think-in, minor heads try to keep the basic members full of enthusiasm and come up with many one minute sound bites and excuses for why things are the way they are - which are memorised by the sheep in front and re-uttered at the next available public opportunity again and again, or on internet board posts!
The same then juiced up masses go away thinks "Aaa... sure we're not as bad as we're made out to be" - "...sure the public has got us wrong!"

Short version: its a stunt to get the lower members back on the dark side of the government force - or is that "FARCE"!

Ulysses Gaze

Piste wrote: »

What on Earth is a think-in?

In FF parlance it is when this guy:

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/images/2009/1001/1224255612373_1.jpg

Gets together with guys like this:

http://img.youtube.com/vi/hO33i4XchuA/0.jpg

have a rake of this

http://rlove.org/images/guinness_20040423.jpg

And talk about this

http://www.lancasterdiocese.org.uk/admin/Uploads/media/35/Property1.jpg

And this

http://www.freshalloy.com/files/images/potholes.jpg

stepbar

Piste wrote: »

What on Earth is a think-in?

I think "OUT OUT OUT"..... The crusty cnuts.... :mad:

Sh1t, if I didn't volunteer for something else, I'd definitely be there. Post this in the Galway City forum and you'd get a lot more local interest.

Ulysses Gaze

Deleted User wrote: »

Sh1t, if I didn't volunteer for something else, I'd definitely be there. Post this in the Galway City forum and you'd get a lot more local interest.

I'm guessing Forty Gaffs Fahey will be there as its on his home patch.

If ever a man was the embodiment of Gombeenism, it is him.

Biggins

If it wasn't tomorrow but the following Monday, I would definitely be there to protest.

"Give the nation the three FAR OVER DUE by-elections you dodgy bastids!"

mike65

Oxymoronics for morons

Liam Byrne

Hmmm......ALL of FF? In one place? Someone could do the country amassive service tomorrow!

mikom

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Hmmm......ALL of FF? In one place? Someone could do the country amassive service tomorrow!

Paging Claus von Stauffenberg..... Claus von Stauffenberg to reception please.

DoneDL

Yeah could we give a prize for an original idea or free KY for all.

flutered

bin laded please help us, then we are forever in you debt, any body got a spare half pound of semtex.

mickydoomsux

I presume we'll see the usual RABBLE-RABBLE rent-a-mobs there tomorrow.

The rest of the country will be too busy getting on with their lives and working.

I have no love for FF but anyone who things it's worth protesting is delusional. They hold all the cards, we have nothing but indignation. They don't care about what we think.

themandan6611

mickydoomsux wrote: »

I presume we'll see the usual RABBLE-RABBLE rent-a-mobs there tomorrow.

The rest of the country will be too busy getting on with their lives and working.

I have no love for FF but anyone who things it's worth protesting is delusional. They hold all the cards, we have nothing but indignation. They don't care about what we think.

well about 450,000 "of the rest of country" wont be working whilst another few hundred will be fleeing to pastures new - no wonder nothing changes.:mad:

mickydoomsux

themandan6611 wrote: »

well about 450,000 "of the rest of country" wont be working whilst another few hundred will be fleeing to pastures new - no wonder nothing changes.:mad:

Does that include the 100,000+ who didn't work when we had our boom? Or the people claiming the dole and doing nixers?

Nothing ever changes because it's the system that is broken, not the people running it.

Biggins

mickydoomsux wrote: »

...Nothing ever changes because it's the system that is broken, not the people running it.

...And the people running it for the last 25+ years have so far still not gotten around to fixing it - thats the problem!

themandan6611

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Nothing ever changes because it's the system that is broken, not the people running it.[/QUOTE]

true but who votes them in ? look at beverly cooper-f, michael lowry etc etc - you get what you vote for. sure aint it a country of nod nod wink wink.

mickydoomsux

themandan6611 wrote: »

true but who votes them in ?

We do. And it doesn't matter who we vote in or what election promises they make and break.

Once they get in they ride the gravy train that is the system of government in this failed state. And if and when they get kicked out they simply slot nicely into the 4 or 5 'on the board of' jobs that they made for themselves on any of the 100+ state run quangoes that they set up when they were in power.

Still proud to be Irish? This is what you're proud of.

round tower huntsman

think-in??? its a drink-in:mad:

starbelgrade

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Hmmm......ALL of FF? In one place? Someone could do the country amassive service tomorrow!

I'm sure that they've already got the prostitutes ordered.

Liam Byrne

starbelgrade wrote: »

I'm sure that they've already got the prostitutes ordered.

No need for them, sure they've been riding us up the hole for years!

themandan6611

mickydoomsux wrote: »

We do. And it doesn't matter who we vote in or what election promises they make and break.

Once they get in they ride the gravy train that is the system of government in this failed state. And if and when they get kicked out they simply slot nicely into the 4 or 5 'on the board of' jobs that they made for themselves on any of the 100+ state run quangoes that they set up when they were in power.

Still proud to be Irish? This is what you're proud of.

so what would be your ideal solution ?

AckwelFoley

Biggins wrote: »

...And the people running it for the last 25+ years have so far still not gotten around to fixing it - thats the problem!

Tell me good man how to fix it please.

You try making a teacher work a full week, and perhaps more than 8 months a year.

Tell me how we can reduce or social welfare bill even if we had full employment.

Tell me despite the increases in health spending in the last 10 years how we can streamline it and make it more economical without strikes

Tell me how we can increase revenue to pay for these services without removing the incentive for the people that generate the revenue to work


Simple to say, broken system, and failure to fix, much more difficult to actually implement some changes without some union or organisation screaming foul

Biggins

With the greatest of respect Snyper, the current clowns have had over two decades to try and fix the problem but so far have failed - repeatedly in many departments and areas.

I don't have all the answers myself but if I was in power for over twenty years, I'd try and spend less time looking after myself and more time looking after the people I'd be chosen to take care of.
I'd be at least looking for where the problems lay and seeking solutions - then acting upon them.

One example of how effective our current lot are: they had a report on fathers rights 15 years ago, where changes needed to be made and what was ineffective.
What have they done since about that one report amid many. NOTHING!

Don't take my word for it - ask the fathers at www.solo.ie

DoneDL

I'm sure that they've already got the prostitutes ordered. LOL aren't the Green Party coming

AckwelFoley

Biggins wrote: »

One example of how effective our current lot are: they had a report on fathers rights 15 years ago, where changes needed to be made and what was ineffective.
What have they done since about that one report amid many. NOTHING!

I dont disagree one second with you on this particular subject, fathers rights is an oximoron, fathers dont have aby rights.

The reason ther has been nothing done is because there is no political will there, you can lay the blame on the politician there if you will but a politician will do what gets them elected or re elected, and fathers issues is not one of them issues saldy so it gets pushed down the pecking order

mickydoomsux

themandan6611 wrote: »

so what would be your ideal solution ?

A complete and utter overhaul of the political system.

No more President (purely ceremonial and utterly unnesscessary, retirement plan/jobs for the boys), no more lower house (pointless, retirement plan, jobs for the boys), greatly reduced salary and expenses for TD's (see how serious they are about serving the common good when the get a fairly avergae pay packet for it), less TDs (less than half what we have now, at least), no more pensions being paid out to sitting TD's, no more multiple pensions (you get the highest and the rest are not given to you), abolish 'committees' and quangoes (jobs for the boys, don't actually do anything), the ability to actually be fired from your TD-ship, no more 'turning up' money.

I could go on but you get the idea. The system as it is now is deeply flawed (i think the problem started somewhere around 1916 :rolleyes:) so i genuinely don't blame anybody of any party for taking advantage.

Who wouldn't?

Biggins

snyper wrote: »

I don't disagree one second with you on this particular subject, fathers rights is an oxymoron, fathers don't have any rights.

The reason there has been nothing done is because there is no political will there, you can lay the blame on the politician there if you will but a politician will do what gets them elected or re elected, and fathers issues is not one of them issues sadly so it gets pushed down the pecking order

Well I won't side-track the thread about that issue but I will say that so many vital areas have been shoved down a pecking order for whatever current issue is a vote winner this month that the previous have become forgotten about.

AckwelFoley

if you dont pay a decent wage to elected representatives you wont get smart people to run for office, they go and get jobs in the private sector and the ones left will either be filthy rich and dont need the pay which would essentially be "far right wing" capitalists or else you would have people that dont care for money and are Utopian idealists like sinn feinn leftwing turds.

Neither is good.

mickydoomsux

snyper wrote: »

if you dont pay a decent wage to elected representatives you wont get smart people to run for office, they go and get jobs in the private sector

Which means that they are only there in the first place to earn a buck and feather their nests. I'd sooner have some well meaning looney leftie or right wing psycho who's there to do the job for the good of their constituents than some highly educated, cute hoor ex-solicitor or teacher or whatever who's there to do everything in their power to hold their job to squeeze every last penny out of the system.

It doesn't matter how smart you are if you only use your intelligence to figure out how to hold office for as long as you can before you have to move on to your pension that is multiples of most peoples wage. And you're receiving it whilst being on the board of the Commitee For the Protection of Widgets along with 4 or 5 other equally useless non-jobs you secured for yourself by being so, so smart.

themandan6611

mickydoomsux wrote: »

A complete and utter overhaul of the political system.

No more President (purely ceremonial and utterly unnesscessary, retirement plan/jobs for the boys), no more lower house (pointless, retirement plan, jobs for the boys), greatly reduced salary and expenses for TD's (see how serious they are about serving the common good when the get a fairly avergae pay packet for it), less TDs (less than half what we have now, at least), no more pensions being paid out to sitting TD's, no more multiple pensions (you get the highest and the rest are not given to you), abolish 'committees' and quangoes (jobs for the boys, don't actually do anything), the ability to actually be fired from your TD-ship, no more 'turning up' money.

I could go on but you get the idea. The system as it is now is deeply flawed (i think the problem started somewhere around 1916 :rolleyes:) so i genuinely don't blame anybody of any party for taking advantage.

Who wouldn't?

I agree with all you say except the last line - not everyone would, there are a few morally correct people around in politics (albeit a few)

AckwelFoley

mickydoomsux wrote: »

Which means that they are only there in the first place to earn a buck and feather their nests. I'd sooner have some well meaning looney leftie or right wing psycho who's there to do the job for the good of their constituents.

Thats just plain stupid tbh

mickydoomsux wrote: »

than some highly educated, cute hoor ex-solicitor or teacher or whatever who's there to do everything in their power to hold their job to squeeze every last penny out of the system.

It doesn't matter how smart you are if you only use your intelligence to figure out how to hold office for as long as you can before you have to move on to your pension that is multiples of most peoples wage. And you're receiving it whilst being on the board of the Commitee For the Protection of Widgets along with 4 or 5 other equally useless non-jobs you secured for yourself by being so, so smart.

Im not a politician, but i can tell you thats just simply not true. You have a handful of politicians that "take the piss" and you and so many others tar the rest of them with the same brush.

The reality is, if a country is prosperous, in practice the government in power will remain in power because voter numbers will be down, alot of people tend not to vote if they are content. Look at countries that are in strife, you will have a 90% turn out. In the boom we were lucky if we had 55%

Politicians need to run a successful country in order to get re elected.

Liam Byrne

snyper wrote: »

if you dont pay a decent wage to elected representatives you wont get smart people to run for office,

We already pay fortunes, and we definitely don't have any smart people.

Neither is good.

AckwelFoley

Liam Byrne wrote: »

We already pay fortunes, and we definitely don't have any smart people.

.

Seriously? You know them all?

It negates much of what you say when you make stupid generalisations like that

You cannot say that all elected representatives in this country are stupid... you may be angry and frustrated by apparent lack of action or perceived misdirection, but to say they are all are stupid, is.. well stupid

Mrmoe

mickydoomsux wrote: »

A complete and utter overhaul of the political system.

No more President (purely ceremonial and utterly unnesscessary, retirement plan/jobs for the boys),

All the points you mentioned are definitely ones that should be implemented, however, I would give the President more power instead of less. One I would definitely give would be power to recall parliament and force a general election. The details would have to be carefully worked out but it would solve a lot of the problems that we have now. If you get enough official signatures ona recall petition the President should have power to recall the Dail.

round tower huntsman

we pay our top civil servants and politicians massive money. neary was on about 150,000 grand a year as the fin. reg.:eek:
biffo and ahern alike earn more then most eu leaders afaik biffo's on better money then obama. there's managers in the central bank and civil on 6 figure sums and they're usless. they got to where they are by kissing ass,hanging people and by time served not by any real work.

mikemac

mickydoomsux wrote: »

no more lower house (pointless, retirement plan, jobs for the boys),

Dáil Éireann is the lower house
Seanad Éireann is the upper house

Think of any republic, the senate is the upper house.

McDougal

I didn't realise the annual Fianna Fáil drink in was on tomorrow

mikom

McDougal wrote: »

I didn't realise the annual Fianna Fáil drink in was on tomorrow

It's got nothing to do with the imperialist scum of America......... so why would ya.

McDougal

mikom wrote: »

It's got nothing to do with the imperialist scum of America......... so why would ya.

go cry into your bucket of chicken

mikom

McDougal wrote: »

go cry into your bucket of chicken

GAAAAAW