Should Ireland copy Iceland and put Aherne, Neary, Anglo board etc on trial ?

PatsytheNazi

Should Ireland copy Iceland and put those respondcible for the banking corruption and incompetence on trial ?

Surely it wouldn't be much insisting that the next Govt which will be a FG/Labour coaltion should see to it like Iceland that those respondcible for these gross incompetence should be held accountable in before the Irish people. Surely there is a case for gross negligence against Cowen, Ahern and the ministers in their governments, Neary, Fitzpatrick and the rest of board of Anglo, Fingleton etc

And wouldn't it be in their political interest to hammer a few nails in FF to keep them out for the next few elections with the resulatant embarrassment ?

" Iceland's former prime minister Geir Haarde and three ministers should be tried for negligence that led to the country's 2008 banking and financial meltdown, a parliamentary commission has said. "

http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0912/iceland.html

Maybe it's time a public campaign was started to demand it ?

amcalester

If crimes were commited then yes. If not then no.

PatsytheNazi

amcalester wrote: »

If crimes were commited then yes. If not then no.

That's the point of a trial to decide isn't it ?

Liam Byrne

Well, Iceland is on the way out of their mess.

So there should probably be 2 trials.

1) Who got us into this mess ?
2) Who completely bolloxed up any hope of getting out of it ?

Mind you, we'd have to delay the trial for #2, because all the top FF men would be at #1

Callan57

Of course we should ... but it won't happen

Ulysses Gaze

We should, but it won't happen.

Best we can hope for is a toothless Tribunal where half those called before it will pull an Albert Reynolds and be 'too ill' to take the stand.

PeterIanStaker

Indeed, another tribunal funded by taxpayers money . . . thats all we need:rolleyes:

Lenny Lovett

PeterIanStaker wrote: »

Indeed, another tribunal funded by taxpayers money . . . thats all we need:rolleyes:

Yeah. I bet the Lawyers will be rubbing their hands at the thought of it!

amcalester

PatsytheNazi wrote: »

That's the point of a trial to decide isn't it ?

No the point of a trial is to see if a person is guilty of a crime not whether or not a crime has been committed.

round tower huntsman

ha ha ha ha ah :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:Din ireland, yeah right. never in a millionn yrs. not unless there's a revolution will any of them scum see the inside of a courtroom.
personally i'd be happy just to see em sacked and loose their big fat juicy pensions..neary walked with a pension worth 600,000:eek: even thats not going to happen.
how long since the cops went into anglo???? its all a big con job, that we're paying for. and they are laughing all the way to the bank.
sure look at em all at the conferance center gig. biffo ronan ahern all sipping away having a great auld time, the wxnker ronan owes the country a billion.

SoupyNorman

Never mind criminal convictions, I'd be largely appeased if these crooks and clowns were ordered to hand back their 'golden handshakes' and lucrative pensions.

Einhard

My first thought on seeing this was, Of course! Ahern's second administration was clearly economically negligent, and cared more for their own re-election that running the country in a sustaibable manner. It would be wonderful if they could somehow be held to account, and it would send a clear signal to future governments.

However, when I think of it, I realise it would expose us as amongst the biggest hypocrites on the planet. WE gave FF a mandate in 2002, and then then we rewarded their fove years of economic mismanagement with ANOTHER mandate! How on earth can we then turn around and claim negligence? If we do, then we're admitting that WE were also negligent.

There's a case to be made about handling the crisis since it broke after 2007, but it's a hard case to make. lot's of people here claim negligence (an, without proof, corruption), but many economists and financiers, as well as the central banks of Ireland and the EU, the IMF etc, think that he made the right choice. It's entirely subjective really, and doesn't make a good basis for legal proceedings.

Also, it sets a very dangerous precedent. How can a government function properly if they are faced with the threat of legal action for actions which were not illegal, and which they may have taken with the best of intentions? On thinking it over, I actually think it would be a bad idea. Much better if the Irish electorate started giving a fuck about politics, and voted with some consideration about the wider well being of the nation, rather than about who was first at their granny's funeral. Otherwise, perhaps it's us as a nation that should face charges of negligence.

PatsytheNazi

amcalester wrote: »

No the point of a trial is to see if a person is guilty of a crime not whether or not a crime has been committed.

Will you just go back to sleep you fool.

PatsytheNazi

Einhard wrote: »

My first thought on seeing this was, Of course! Ahern's second administration was clearly economically negligent, and cared more for their own re-election that running the country in a sustaibable manner. It would be wonderful if they could somehow be held to account, and it would send a clear signal to future governments.

However, when I think of it, I realise it would expose us as amongst the biggest hypocrites on the planet. WE gave FF a mandate in 2002, and then then we rewarded their fove years of economic mismanagement with ANOTHER mandate! How on earth can we then turn around and claim negligence? If we do, then we're admitting that WE were also negligent.

There's a case to be made about handling the crisis since it broke after 2007, but it's a hard case to make. lot's of people here claim negligence (an, without proof, corruption), but many economists and financiers, as well as the central banks of Ireland and the EU, the IMF etc, think that he made the right choice. It's entirely subjective really, and doesn't make a good basis for legal proceedings.

Also, it sets a very dangerous precedent. How can a government function properly if they are faced with the threat of legal action for actions which were not illegal, and which they may have taken with the best of intentions? On thinking it over, I actually think it would be a bad idea. Much better if the Irish electorate started giving a fuck about politics, and voted with some consideration about the wider well being of the nation, rather than about who was first at their granny's funeral. Otherwise, perhaps it's us as a nation that should face charges of negligence.

Totally agree woth what you and most of the others what they have stated. Now I didn't vote for FF, nor for that matter FG or Labour ( FG and Labour and the Greens ofcourse are but cronies of FF and the rest of the golden ciricle who have ruined this country). I voted for left/republican Independents, SF, Socialist Party etc

And I totally agree with what you have said about the Irish electorate who voted for FF and the rest. They are the ones who voted in FF despite scandal after scandal after scandal. And they will STILL return politicans who in any other country outside of a banana republic who would be booted out, example Beverly Flynn in Mayo :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

And ofcourse FG and Labour wouldn't support such actions, their just basically partners in crime with FF, their is NO ideological difference between them, they share the same values- or lack of values in their case :mad: And they'd fear they might find themselves in the same position in a few years time

Still, I hope that a public campaign was started to demand it as it might get people off their ar$es and demand some constitutional change and accountablility rather than toothless Tribunals which are but an expensive sideshow to allow those who are guilty to get off ?