Long flight

Ilyushin76

Just spotted this http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N9149Z crossing the Atlantic.It took 11hrs 40 mins seems like an awful long flight for such a small plane(Cessna Skyhawk) or is it a mistake

Foggy43

Have a look here http://www.utility-aircraft.com/ferry_flight/index.htm and see what you think?

Ilyushin76

Thanks for that.Was listen to shannon atc and he had to divert to sligo for fuel.

owenc

How the hell could that thing cross the atlantic? Maybe it has large tanks, me and my dad were looking at planes and the one we are looking at can go 4000 nautical miles with the largest tank!:eek:

Foggy43

I wasn't aware of ferry flights until I watched a programme about rescues and a RAF Nimrod had to go out over the atlantic to find and guide one of these planes to Shannon. This particular aircraft got into navigational difficulties and as the Nimrod discovered it wasn't the only aircraft of that type on a ferry run that night.

Sorry I can't remember the programme's name and it was a few years ago.

owenc

Foggy43 wrote: »

I wasn't aware of ferry flights until I watched a programme about rescues and a RAF Nimrod had to go out over the atlantic to find and guide one of these planes to Shannon. This particular aircraft got into navigational difficulties and as the Nimrod discovered it wasn't the only aircraft of that type on a ferry run that night.

Sorry I can't remember the programme's name and it was a few years ago.

How the hell did they contact the ones in the uk when they were out in the atlantic , plus they are outside of radar so how could the raf find them?

testicle

owenc wrote: »

How the hell did they contact the ones in the uk when they were out in the atlantic , plus they are outside of radar so how could the raf find them?

HF. Oceanic Radio to Shanwick.

Nimrod has a radar.

owenc

testicle wrote: »

HF. Oceanic Radio to Shanwick.

Nimrod has a radar.

Aye but that would be a different story if they were in the middle of the atlantic.

Steyr

owenc wrote: »

Aye but that would be a different story if they were in the middle of the atlantic.

Elaborate please, Testicle pretty much just gave you all you needed to know to understand.

owenc

Steyr wrote: »

Elaborate please, Testicle pretty much just gave you all you needed to know to understand.

There is no radar in the middle of the atlantic.

Ilyushin76

But there is on the nimrod which would have picked it up

Foggy43

owenc wrote: »

There is no radar in the middle of the atlantic.

Have a loook here http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/nimrod/ and see how the radar gets to be over the atlantic for search and rescue purposes.

owenc

Foggy43 wrote: »

Have a loook here http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/nimrod/ and see how the radar gets to be over the atlantic for search and rescue purposes.

I was talking in general..

highlydebased

There is also 121.5 which most commercial aircraft would monitor. If the light aircraft was unable to reach Shanwick/Gander on HF, messages could be relayed over 121.5 (provided they were of an emergency nature). Indeed as stated there is no ATC radar over the atlantic.

xflyer

Ok guys, ferry flights of light aircraft are routine and most go without a hitch. Many go through Iceland. I remember being woken up early in a Reykjavik hotel as a Cirrus warmed up one freezing pre dawn morning in preparation for his onward ferry to Europe somewhere. I didn't envy him, I can assure you.

The aircraft are temporarily equipped with long range tanks, often no more than big oil drums and HF radio and naturally GPS. The pilots wear survival suits but quite frankly the chances of survival in a ditching is slim.

It routine, quite likely there in one in the air right now. Well maybe not so routine. I remember some years ago taxying out at Dublin airport receiving an enthusiasitic wave from a ferry pilot on his way to have the long range tanks removed at the old Iona building. It always struck me it was almost a wave of joy and relief at having survived the trip.

Ferrying an aircraft from the US is one my last few 'things to do'. It's scary but imagine the satisfaction?

Ilyushin76

xflyer wrote: »

Ok guys, ferry flights of light aircraft are routine and most go without a hitch. Many go through Iceland. I remember being woken up early in a Reykjavik hotel as a Cirrus warmed up one freezing pre dawn morning in preparation for his onward ferry to Europe somewhere. I didn't envy him, I can assure you.

The aircraft are temporarily equipped with long range tanks, often no more than big oil drums and HF radio and naturally GPS. The pilots wear survival suits but quite frankly the chances of survival in a ditching is slim.

It routine, quite likely there in one in the air right now. Well maybe not so routine. I remember some years ago taxying out at Dublin airport receiving an enthusiasitic wave from a ferry pilot on his way to have the long range tanks removed at the old Iona building. It always struck me it was almost a wave of joy and relief at having survived the trip.

Ferrying an aircraft from the US is one my last few 'things to do'. It's scary but imagine the satisfaction?

Ya I remember watching a program a few months ago were they had to ferry 2 CL-215 from canada to turkey.There is an awful lot of planning and in their case luck that goes in to one of these ferry flights

owenc

xflyer wrote: »

Ok guys, ferry flights of light aircraft are routine and most go without a hitch. Many go through Iceland. I remember being woken up early in a Reykjavik hotel as a Cirrus warmed up one freezing pre dawn morning in preparation for his onward ferry to Europe somewhere. I didn't envy him, I can assure you.

The aircraft are temporarily equipped with long range tanks, often no more than big oil drums and HF radio and naturally GPS. The pilots wear survival suits but quite frankly the chances of survival in a ditching is slim.

It routine, quite likely there in one in the air right now. Well maybe not so routine. I remember some years ago taxying out at Dublin airport receiving an enthusiasitic wave from a ferry pilot on his way to have the long range tanks removed at the old Iona building. It always struck me it was almost a wave of joy and relief at having survived the trip.

Ferrying an aircraft from the US is one my last few 'things to do'. It's scary but imagine the satisfaction?

That isn't a long flight its only 690 miles lol, i still can't understand why it takes airliners 2 hours but whatever..

xflyer

owenc wrote: »

That isn't a long flight its only 690 miles lol, i still can't understand why it takes airliners 2 hours but whatever..

A mere hop indeed but just the last leg of several hops over the rather unforgiving Atlantic ocean in mid winter in a single engined aircraft with all the hazards associated.

hurleronditch

Slightly OT, but i remember many years ago watching a crappy film late at night on RTE. It was about a guy in a single engined plane ferrying a plane from the states to australia.

Okay googled it and it was called mercy mission, the rescue of flight 771. Basically his mate crashes on takeoff, he doesnt have the right nav equipment, and when he gets to norfolk island its not where he thought it was, and only the pilot of a new zealand passenger jet can save him. Terrible kitsch and cliched but i remember not being able to go to bed til it was over. All sorts of navigating using the with of the fingers as a degree of latitude etc.

Anyone seen it?

donkey balls

hurleronditch wrote: »

Slightly OT, but i remember many years ago watching a crappy film late at night on RTE. It was about a guy in a single engined plane ferrying a plane from the states to australia.

Okay googled it and it was called mercy mission, the rescue of flight 771. Basically his mate crashes on takeoff, he doesnt have the right nav equipment, and when he gets to norfolk island its not where he thought it was, and only the pilot of a new zealand passenger jet can save him. Terrible kitsch and cliched but i remember not being able to go to bed til it was over. All sorts of navigating using the with of the fingers as a degree of latitude etc.

Anyone seen it?

yeah:omany years ago

cyrusdvirus

Scott Bakula was the lost pilot.

Based on a true story iirc

Yeah, IMDB Trivia, i say thank you!! lol

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0107556/trivia