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  • 10-09-2010 8:31pm
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    solutionsolver
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34 ✭


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    I have to get this off my chest, so here's my ramble, some you'll like some you'll have an alternative opinion but I hope a positive reaction to the concept is forthcoming rather than those who just want to knock anything and everything. Lets have some posive policies and suggestions

    Can one be started from Boards.ie??? I put it to you guys to make it happen, start making a change for Ireland. There's too much hot air as everyone moans. Time for someone to do. Someone with a large database like you guys here.

    Using social media/mobile marketing the young shall inherit their country and run it properly.

    The challenge: To create a party capable of having an overall majority in the next Government.

    The 2nd prize which we will not even consider-- enough elected to have a controlling power in running the country with either zig (FF) or zag (FG) or Dustin (Labour) in the next Government

    Wanted:

    A financial backer (Ben Dunne might stop all his waffling on radio and move his a-s- to make this happen) and for that a place on the advisory committee his ego would like that!

    A committee of driven people as advisors who would like to change Ireland and give some of their time to this new party in every way (without this being a burden on them).

    To mention a few, I would have Eddie O'Connor, Denis O'Brien, Michael O'Leary and the guy who knows all about the gaming industry in the World who has had a major play in bringing this industry along using Ireland as the world HQ of gaming. From politics Ivan Yeates, Shane Ross (who is the best at exposing the corruption going on) Can;t think of anone else I'd have from that quarter!!!

    Top priorities    ,
    A major shake up of the civil service
    The creation of a proper health service (modelled on Cuba).
    People back working using imaginative ideas/concepts
    A salary cap of 100K on all in the civil service and elected representatives. All perks to be looked at.
    The abolishment of local Government, we can't afford two lots of elected representatives we have the TD's who tell us they work so hard in their constituencies ---so what are local ones doing?

    (PS I don't buy the arguement you have to pay more to get the best, there are a lot of highly qualified people who will work for 100K)

    If any sector decides to go on strike that they don't like whats happening then let them, they can re-apply for their old jobs under the new structure where they will have to produce results (no more reports and reports about reports) The consultants that have been doing these reports for the civil service can apply for these jobs because there will be no more consultants doing reports, we only pay one lot in future.

    They are a few of the things I would do.

    Now we need candidates.
    To qualify you must be between the ages of 18 and 40 -- no older need apply. If 40 and you get elected you can only serve one term then stand down ---chances are you may get eleveted onto the driving committee
    (Top corporates all around the world are run by people in the higher end of this age bracket)

    This is to be driven by boards.ie ! as it represents young Ireland here
    <snip -DeV>

    The committee of advisors will consider and interview potential candidates.

    (HEHE they will be queueing around the block like X-Factor for this, it'll make a great TV show (all part of the media strategy) and people would become very familiar with their young candidates from this exposure as they watch this new party being formed.

    The youth shall inherit their country from this country of old men
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    Biggins
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    I'm over 40 - whats with the discrimination? Stuff that.
    Great way to start out!


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    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    Biggins wrote: »
    I'm over 40 - whats with the discrimination? Stuff that.
    Great way to start out!
    Sure you cant be president until you are over 35. Age discrimination is already rife in politics.


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    solutionsolver
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34 ✭solutionsolver


    sorry, you are now too old!!!
    yep call it discrimination but we want Ireland run by younger people


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    Permabear
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    This post has been deleted.


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    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    donegalfella wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.
    Bit of a warning with that link.

    Not exactly a neutral source is it? Although pics dont lie but I dont want to look at those type of pics right now.


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    Liam Byrne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,163 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    If you're slightly under 40 but probably won't be when the next election is eventually given to us, what's the cut-off ?


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    danbohan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,914 ✭✭✭danbohan


    donegalfella wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.


    americans writing about cuba s healtcare system ., hardly an independant source .
    its not perfect then neither is theirs .


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    Cavehill Red
    Registered Users Posts: 6,109 ✭✭✭Cavehill Red


    solutionsolver wrote: »
    Using social media/mobile marketing the young shall inherit their country and run it properly.

    Oh Noes! The kids are going to Twitter a coup!

    solutionsolver wrote: »
    Wanted:

    A financial backer (Ben Dunne might stop all his waffling on radio and move his a-s- to make this happen) and for that a place on the advisory committee his ego would like that!

    And they can't wait to open their Galway tent!



    solutionsolver wrote: »
    Top priorities,
    The creation of a proper health service (modelled on Cuba).
    People back working using imaginative ideas/concepts
    The abolishment of local Government

    They got kerrazzy policies!
    solutionsolver wrote: »
    If any sector decides to go on strike that they don't like whats happening then let them, they can re-apply for their old jobs

    And fascist tendencies!
    solutionsolver wrote: »
    Now we need candidates.
    To qualify you must be between the ages of 18 and 40 -- no older need apply.

    They don't want no past-it squares in their revolution!
    solutionsolver wrote: »
    This is to be driven by boards.ie ! [/B]as it represents young Ireland here
    <snip>

    They want someone else to do the work for them!
    solutionsolver wrote: »
    (HEHE they will be queueing around the block like X-Factor for this, it'll make a great TV show (all part of the media strategy) and people would become very familiar with their young candidates from this exposure as they watch this new party being formed.

    They got delusions of grandeur!

    Hey! The kids are alright!!!


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    Lenny Lovett
    Closed Accounts Posts: 920 ✭✭✭Lenny Lovett


    The under 40 rule is ridiculous. You want the country run by a bunch of scruffy students who's only agenda is getting off their faces at the first opportunity? Now, I'm no fan of the current status quo but restricting the running of the country to under 40's just show's how serious you are. It's a shame because much of the rest of your proposal has merit.


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    Biggins
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    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    Sure you cant be president until you are over 35. Age discrimination is already rife in politics.

    True. :(

    We should be aiming to make that situation better - not adopting stuff to make it worse.


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    southsiderosie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,565 ✭✭✭southsiderosie


    When the revolution comes, it will not be on Facebook.

    (Or boards. Or any other social media. Stop writing on people's walls and start writing your TDs).

    On a serious note, young people can barely be arsed to vote, so why should they get to run anything? Politicians would pay more attention to them if they actually behaved like interested citizens. And I don't agree with excluding over-40s at all, and I'm not over 40 (or close...yet...). Why should someone who has been paying taxes for 20 years be excluded, while someone who has ever even held a full time job get a vote?


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    Ulysses Gaze
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,570 ✭✭✭Ulysses Gaze


    OP, baby steps.

    Expend your energies encouraging the youth to get out and vote. Not enough of them do vote.


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    BlaasForRafa
    Registered Users Posts: 7,020 ✭✭✭BlaasForRafa


    solutionsolver wrote: »
    sorry, you are now too old!!!
    yep call it discrimination but we want Ireland run by younger people

    sounds like this fella would be perfect for your party of "younger people"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mItSJJzERQ


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    Gone West
    Registered Users Posts: 6,374 ✭✭✭Gone West


    do you actually think that there will be a revolution?
    There are not enough go-getters left in Ireland who could be arsed.


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    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    Fuzzy wrote: »
    do you actually think that there will be a revolution?
    There are not enough go-getters left in Ireland who could be arsed.
    Sure they would all be branded terrorists by the folks we have these days.


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    southsiderosie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,565 ✭✭✭southsiderosie


    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    Sure they would all be branded terrorists by the folks we have these days.

    LOL.

    I love how everyone on boards slams the US for the Iraq war...and then Tony Blair shows up, people protest, and boards tut-tuts. Classic Irish response.

    Yes, I know I am generalizing.


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    Lenny Lovett
    Closed Accounts Posts: 920 ✭✭✭Lenny Lovett


    Fuzzy wrote: »
    do you actually think that there will be a revolution?
    There are not enough go-getters left in Ireland who could be arsed.
    No chance of a revolution. We have almost half a million people who lost their jobs in the last two years and they can't be arsed to march en masse to the Dail. When the pensioners got threatened with cuts they mobilised quick sharp and knocked it on the head. There'll be no revolution until people get off their arses.


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    The Raven.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,008 ✭✭✭The Raven.


    solutionsolver wrote: »
    A financial backer (Ben Dunne might stop all his waffling on radio and move his a-s- to make this happen) and for that a place on the advisory committee his ego would like that!
    The youth shall inherit their country from this country of old men

    You want the money and advice of the over-40s - and insult their intellegence in the process? :rolleyes:
    A committee of driven people as advisors who would like to change Ireland and give some of their time to this new party in every way (without this being a burden on them).

    To mention a few, I would have Eddie O'Connor, Denis O'Brien, Michael O'Leary…Ivan Yeates, Shane Ross …

    Do you honestly think these people have time to waste on a bunch of amateurs? :rolleyes:


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    Zaph
    Registered Users, Subscribers Posts: 47,283 ✭✭✭✭Zaph


    The complete lack of awareness of what's going on in the world and total disinterest in politics that I've seen in so many under-30s over the past few years means that if it ever came to the point where they got to run the country then I'm on the first plane outta here.

    solutionsolver wrote:
    This is to be driven by boards.ie ! as it represents young Ireland here

    While the Boards demographic is undoubtedly young, it is by no means exclusively so. It is also probably worth pointing out that Boards makes no claims that it represents any particular demographic.


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    The Raven.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,008 ✭✭✭The Raven.


    Has this idea really got the approval of Boards.ie? The OP has only 6 posts (at the time of writing this post).


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    Lenny Lovett
    Closed Accounts Posts: 920 ✭✭✭Lenny Lovett


    solutionsolver wrote: »
    This is to be driven by boards.ie ! as it represents young Ireland here
    Send your CV and what constituency you want to run in to the editor@boards.ie . Give reasons why you will be elected and how you believe you are going to succeed in the constituency you want to represent.

    I'm surprised Boards.ie are running this campaign.


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    #23
    Zaph
    Registered Users, Subscribers Posts: 47,283 ✭✭✭✭Zaph


    The Raven. wrote: »
    Has this idea really got the approval of Boards.ie? The OP has only 6 posts (at the time of writing this post).
    Lenny Lovett wrote: »
    I'm surprised Boards.ie are running this campaign.

    If this is an official Boards campaign there's been no mention of it to the admins.

    I'm checking with the guys in the office what the story is with that e-mail address.


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    DeVore
    Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 32,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭DeVore


    southsiderosie wrote: »
    LOL.

    I love how everyone on boards slams the US for the Iraq war...and then Tony Blair shows up, people protest, and boards tut-tuts. Classic Irish response.

    Yes, I know I am generalizing.
    I love how people come on here and refer to Boards as if its a single biological entity rather then 300,000 individual agents, each with autonomy and opinions.

    DeV.


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    DeVore
    Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 32,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭DeVore


    Zaph wrote: »
    If this is an official Boards campaign there's been no mention of it to the admins.

    I'm checking with the guys in the office what the story is with that e-mail address.
    Absolutely nothing to do with us. We are apolitical in terms of the platform favouring one side or another.

    Again, this has nothing to do with Boards LTD and its the first I've heard of it too. :rolleyes:

    DeV.


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    DeVore
    Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 32,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭DeVore


    Lenny Lovett wrote: »
    I'm surprised Boards.ie are running this campaign.
    We arent. We wouldnt.

    DeV.


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    DeVore
    Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 32,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭DeVore


    The Raven. wrote: »
    Has this idea really got the approval of Boards.ie? The OP has only 6 posts (at the time of writing this post).
    Nope.



    I think I've been clear now :)

    DeV.


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    #28
    The Raven.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,008 ✭✭✭The Raven.


    DeVore wrote: »
    Nope.


    I think I've been clear now :)

    DeV.

    Thanks, DeV. I thought not. :)


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    aidan_walsh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,208 ✭✭✭✭aidan_walsh


    DeVore wrote: »
    We arent. We wouldnt.

    DeV.
    Is this like running for the Presidency where the first step is denying it? :)


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    solutionsolver
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34 ✭solutionsolver


    How people respond is amusing sometimes. Ok I believed the Cuban health service to be one of the best, I accept its a bit like ours from the link that followed but dropping the 'Cuban' aspect of it its top of the agenda with job creation and total reform of the civil service.

    Its funny that some picked it up as a boards campaign heck the suggestion was boards have the database to make something happen thats all

    Despite the current feeling towards politics and politicians and I am one of them that has no time for the current wasters, I believe Ireland's 18-35 year olds can be motivated. They need to be able to see candidates their own age (I'd say most would be in the 30 to 35 year old bracket and probably have university degrees i.e. intelligent beings not the sort depicted by several posters putting our youth into the bunch of morans bracket

    Nobody has much positive to say which just about sums up this nation ---as if going walking the streets will achieve anything

    Yes i do believe the people mentioned to give of their time and ability would come forward because they are interested in this country despite what you think. O'Leary - you might like like him but you have to admire him and what he has achieved ---and he pays his taxes here. O'Brien ok he doesn't pay his taxes LOL but he pays the salary of the Irish soccer manager because he wants to see Ireland do well on the world stage.

    Nobody could engage in reasonable debate its sad really lets just all lie down and die (or go walk the streets chanting Govt out what BS!)


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    DeVore
    Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 32,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭DeVore


    Why did you suggest people send their cv's to us. You sure made it sound like we were "officially" behind it.

    I haven't said that your base idea is wrong, in fact I do think we need a change but you know what, things are just so flecked that I'm not going to p*ss my remaining days trying to fix something that
    A. Doesn't want to be fixed.
    B. Is to big to be fixed by any one person
    C. Is so corrupt it's nigh unfixable.

    If there was a political party I felt would actually change things then I would offer help but I see nothing realistically feasible as yet beyond a bunch of idiot swifies and some naive unthought out suggestions like this one.

    Sorry to rain on your parade.

    DeV.


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