"You're All Wafflers" -- Bertie Ahern

solutionsolver

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I have to get this off my chest, so here's my ramble, some you'll like some you'll have an alternative opinion but I hope a positive reaction to the concept is forthcoming rather than those who just want to knock anything and everything. Lets have some posive policies and suggestions

Can one be started from Boards.ie??? I put it to you guys to make it happen, start making a change for Ireland. There's too much hot air as everyone moans. Time for someone to do. Someone with a large database like you guys here.

Using social media/mobile marketing the young shall inherit their country and run it properly.

The challenge: To create a party capable of having an overall majority in the next Government.

The 2nd prize which we will not even consider-- enough elected to have a controlling power in running the country with either zig (FF) or zag (FG) or Dustin (Labour) in the next Government

Wanted:

A financial backer (Ben Dunne might stop all his waffling on radio and move his a-s- to make this happen) and for that a place on the advisory committee his ego would like that!

A committee of driven people as advisors who would like to change Ireland and give some of their time to this new party in every way (without this being a burden on them).

To mention a few, I would have Eddie O'Connor, Denis O'Brien, Michael O'Leary and the guy who knows all about the gaming industry in the World who has had a major play in bringing this industry along using Ireland as the world HQ of gaming. From politics Ivan Yeates, Shane Ross (who is the best at exposing the corruption going on) Can;t think of anone else I'd have from that quarter!!!

Top priorities,
A major shake up of the civil service
The creation of a proper health service (modelled on Cuba).
People back working using imaginative ideas/concepts
A salary cap of 100K on all in the civil service and elected representatives. All perks to be looked at.
The abolishment of local Government, we can't afford two lots of elected representatives we have the TD's who tell us they work so hard in their constituencies ---so what are local ones doing?

(PS I don't buy the arguement you have to pay more to get the best, there are a lot of highly qualified people who will work for 100K)

If any sector decides to go on strike that they don't like whats happening then let them, they can re-apply for their old jobs under the new structure where they will have to produce results (no more reports and reports about reports) The consultants that have been doing these reports for the civil service can apply for these jobs because there will be no more consultants doing reports, we only pay one lot in future.

They are a few of the things I would do.

Now we need candidates.
To qualify you must be between the ages of 18 and 40 -- no older need apply. If 40 and you get elected you can only serve one term then stand down ---chances are you may get eleveted onto the driving committee
(Top corporates all around the world are run by people in the higher end of this age bracket)

This is to be driven by boards.ie ! as it represents young Ireland here
<snip -DeV>

The committee of advisors will consider and interview potential candidates.

(HEHE they will be queueing around the block like X-Factor for this, it'll make a great TV show (all part of the media strategy) and people would become very familiar with their young candidates from this exposure as they watch this new party being formed.

The youth shall inherit their country from this country of old men

Biggins

I'm over 40 - whats with the discrimination? Stuff that.
Great way to start out!

Wolfe Tone

Biggins wrote: »

I'm over 40 - whats with the discrimination? Stuff that.
Great way to start out!

Sure you cant be president until you are over 35. Age discrimination is already rife in politics.

solutionsolver

sorry, you are now too old!!!
yep call it discrimination but we want Ireland run by younger people

Permabear

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Wolfe Tone

donegalfella wrote: »

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Bit of a warning with that link.

Not exactly a neutral source is it? Although pics dont lie but I dont want to look at those type of pics right now.

Liam Byrne

If you're slightly under 40 but probably won't be when the next election is eventually given to us, what's the cut-off ?

danbohan

donegalfella wrote: »

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americans writing about cuba s healtcare system ., hardly an independant source .
its not perfect then neither is theirs .

Cavehill Red

solutionsolver wrote: »

Using social media/mobile marketing the young shall inherit their country and run it properly.

Oh Noes! The kids are going to Twitter a coup!

solutionsolver wrote: »

Wanted:

A financial backer (Ben Dunne might stop all his waffling on radio and move his a-s- to make this happen) and for that a place on the advisory committee his ego would like that!

And they can't wait to open their Galway tent!

solutionsolver wrote: »

Top priorities,
The creation of a proper health service (modelled on Cuba).
People back working using imaginative ideas/concepts
The abolishment of local Government

They got kerrazzy policies!

solutionsolver wrote: »

If any sector decides to go on strike that they don't like whats happening then let them, they can re-apply for their old jobs

And fascist tendencies!

solutionsolver wrote: »

Now we need candidates.
To qualify you must be between the ages of 18 and 40 -- no older need apply.

They don't want no past-it squares in their revolution!

solutionsolver wrote: »

This is to be driven by boards.ie ! [/B]as it represents young Ireland here
<snip>

They want someone else to do the work for them!

solutionsolver wrote: »

(HEHE they will be queueing around the block like X-Factor for this, it'll make a great TV show (all part of the media strategy) and people would become very familiar with their young candidates from this exposure as they watch this new party being formed.

They got delusions of grandeur!

Hey! The kids are alright!!!

Lenny Lovett

The under 40 rule is ridiculous. You want the country run by a bunch of scruffy students who's only agenda is getting off their faces at the first opportunity? Now, I'm no fan of the current status quo but restricting the running of the country to under 40's just show's how serious you are. It's a shame because much of the rest of your proposal has merit.

Biggins

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

Sure you cant be president until you are over 35. Age discrimination is already rife in politics.

True.

We should be aiming to make that situation better - not adopting stuff to make it worse.

southsiderosie

When the revolution comes, it will not be on Facebook.

(Or boards. Or any other social media. Stop writing on people's walls and start writing your TDs).

On a serious note, young people can barely be arsed to vote, so why should they get to run anything? Politicians would pay more attention to them if they actually behaved like interested citizens. And I don't agree with excluding over-40s at all, and I'm not over 40 (or close...yet...). Why should someone who has been paying taxes for 20 years be excluded, while someone who has ever even held a full time job get a vote?

Ulysses Gaze

OP, baby steps.

Expend your energies encouraging the youth to get out and vote. Not enough of them do vote.

BlaasForRafa

solutionsolver wrote: »

sorry, you are now too old!!!
yep call it discrimination but we want Ireland run by younger people

sounds like this fella would be perfect for your party of "younger people"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mItSJJzERQ

Gone West

do you actually think that there will be a revolution?
There are not enough go-getters left in Ireland who could be arsed.

Wolfe Tone

Fuzzy wrote: »

do you actually think that there will be a revolution?
There are not enough go-getters left in Ireland who could be arsed.

Sure they would all be branded terrorists by the folks we have these days.

southsiderosie

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

Sure they would all be branded terrorists by the folks we have these days.

LOL.

I love how everyone on boards slams the US for the Iraq war...and then Tony Blair shows up, people protest, and boards tut-tuts. Classic Irish response.

Yes, I know I am generalizing.

Lenny Lovett

Fuzzy wrote: »

do you actually think that there will be a revolution?
There are not enough go-getters left in Ireland who could be arsed.

No chance of a revolution. We have almost half a million people who lost their jobs in the last two years and they can't be arsed to march en masse to the Dail. When the pensioners got threatened with cuts they mobilised quick sharp and knocked it on the head. There'll be no revolution until people get off their arses.

The Raven.

solutionsolver wrote: »

A financial backer (Ben Dunne might stop all his waffling on radio and move his a-s- to make this happen) and for that a place on the advisory committee his ego would like that!

The youth shall inherit their country from this country of old men

You want the money and advice of the over-40s - and insult their intellegence in the process? :rolleyes:

A committee of driven people as advisors who would like to change Ireland and give some of their time to this new party in every way (without this being a burden on them).

To mention a few, I would have Eddie O'Connor, Denis O'Brien, Michael O'Leary…Ivan Yeates, Shane Ross …

Do you honestly think these people have time to waste on a bunch of amateurs? :rolleyes:

Zaph

The complete lack of awareness of what's going on in the world and total disinterest in politics that I've seen in so many under-30s over the past few years means that if it ever came to the point where they got to run the country then I'm on the first plane outta here.

solutionsolver wrote:

This is to be driven by boards.ie ! as it represents young Ireland here

While the Boards demographic is undoubtedly young, it is by no means exclusively so. It is also probably worth pointing out that Boards makes no claims that it represents any particular demographic.

The Raven.

Has this idea really got the approval of Boards.ie? The OP has only 6 posts (at the time of writing this post).

Lenny Lovett

solutionsolver wrote: »

This is to be driven by boards.ie ! as it represents young Ireland here
Send your CV and what constituency you want to run in to the editor@boards.ie . Give reasons why you will be elected and how you believe you are going to succeed in the constituency you want to represent.

I'm surprised Boards.ie are running this campaign.

Zaph

The Raven. wrote: »

Has this idea really got the approval of Boards.ie? The OP has only 6 posts (at the time of writing this post).

Lenny Lovett wrote: »

I'm surprised Boards.ie are running this campaign.

If this is an official Boards campaign there's been no mention of it to the admins.

I'm checking with the guys in the office what the story is with that e-mail address.

DeVore

southsiderosie wrote: »

LOL.

I love how everyone on boards slams the US for the Iraq war...and then Tony Blair shows up, people protest, and boards tut-tuts. Classic Irish response.

Yes, I know I am generalizing.

I love how people come on here and refer to Boards as if its a single biological entity rather then 300,000 individual agents, each with autonomy and opinions.

DeV.

DeVore

Zaph wrote: »

If this is an official Boards campaign there's been no mention of it to the admins.

I'm checking with the guys in the office what the story is with that e-mail address.

Absolutely nothing to do with us. We are apolitical in terms of the platform favouring one side or another.

Again, this has nothing to do with Boards LTD and its the first I've heard of it too. :rolleyes:

DeV.

DeVore

Lenny Lovett wrote: »

I'm surprised Boards.ie are running this campaign.

We arent. We wouldnt.

DeV.

DeVore

The Raven. wrote: »

Has this idea really got the approval of Boards.ie? The OP has only 6 posts (at the time of writing this post).

Nope.



I think I've been clear now

DeV.

The Raven.

DeVore wrote: »

Nope.


I think I've been clear now

DeV.

Thanks, DeV. I thought not.

aidan_walsh

DeVore wrote: »

We arent. We wouldnt.

DeV.

Is this like running for the Presidency where the first step is denying it?

solutionsolver

How people respond is amusing sometimes. Ok I believed the Cuban health service to be one of the best, I accept its a bit like ours from the link that followed but dropping the 'Cuban' aspect of it its top of the agenda with job creation and total reform of the civil service.

Its funny that some picked it up as a boards campaign heck the suggestion was boards have the database to make something happen thats all

Despite the current feeling towards politics and politicians and I am one of them that has no time for the current wasters, I believe Ireland's 18-35 year olds can be motivated. They need to be able to see candidates their own age (I'd say most would be in the 30 to 35 year old bracket and probably have university degrees i.e. intelligent beings not the sort depicted by several posters putting our youth into the bunch of morans bracket

Nobody has much positive to say which just about sums up this nation ---as if going walking the streets will achieve anything

Yes i do believe the people mentioned to give of their time and ability would come forward because they are interested in this country despite what you think. O'Leary - you might like like him but you have to admire him and what he has achieved ---and he pays his taxes here. O'Brien ok he doesn't pay his taxes LOL but he pays the salary of the Irish soccer manager because he wants to see Ireland do well on the world stage.

Nobody could engage in reasonable debate its sad really lets just all lie down and die (or go walk the streets chanting Govt out what BS!)

DeVore

Why did you suggest people send their cv's to us. You sure made it sound like we were "officially" behind it.

I haven't said that your base idea is wrong, in fact I do think we need a change but you know what, things are just so flecked that I'm not going to p*ss my remaining days trying to fix something that
A. Doesn't want to be fixed.
B. Is to big to be fixed by any one person
C. Is so corrupt it's nigh unfixable.

If there was a political party I felt would actually change things then I would offer help but I see nothing realistically feasible as yet beyond a bunch of idiot swifies and some naive unthought out suggestions like this one.

Sorry to rain on your parade.

DeV.

Gone West

DeV you´ve gotten more cynical with age

I remember maybe 7 or 8 years ago you were talking about how Boards could evolve into a powerful media outlet (it has) and how it could be used as a platform to launch a political "boards" party (it can), and how this place could really make a difference (it does).

southsiderosie

DeVore wrote: »

I love how people come on here and refer to Boards as if its a single biological entity rather then 300,000 individual agents, each with autonomy and opinions.

DeV.

Hence the "yes I know I am generalizing" part.

That said, if you can find a thread on here where protesters in Ireland aren't roundly mocked, more power to you.

southsiderosie

solutionsolver wrote: »

How people respond is amusing sometimes. Ok I believed the Cuban health service to be one of the best, I accept its a bit like ours from the link that followed but dropping the 'Cuban' aspect of it its top of the agenda with job creation and total reform of the civil service.

I think Irish doctors might have a problem with being farmed out to other countries in exchange for hard currency and oil.

solutionsolver wrote: »

Despite the current feeling towards politics and politicians and I am one of them that has no time for the current wasters, I believe Ireland's 18-35 year olds can be motivated. They need to be able to see candidates their own age.

If they aren't motivated by the fact that they will be paying for the follies of their elders for the rest of their working lives, then what else will work?

I'd also add that there are plenty of opportunities for young people to get involved in electoral politics. In Dublin, for example, Labour fielded a number of young candidates who won office in 2009, most notably Maria Parodi and Rebecca Moynihan. There is nothing stopping young people from having an effect on Irish politics except apathy and laziness.

solutionsolver wrote: »

(I'd say most would be in the 30 to 35 year old bracket and probably have university degrees i.e. intelligent beings not the sort depicted by several posters putting our youth into the bunch of morans bracket.

Not helping the cause here.

solutionsolver wrote: »

Nobody has much positive to say which just about sums up this nation ---as if going walking the streets will achieve anything.

Yes i do believe the people mentioned to give of their time and ability would come forward because they are interested in this country despite what you think. O'Leary - you might like like him but you have to admire him and what he has achieved ---and he pays his taxes here. O'Brien ok he doesn't pay his taxes LOL but he pays the salary of the Irish soccer manager because he wants to see Ireland do well on the world stage.

Nobody could engage in reasonable debate its sad really lets just all lie down and die (or go walk the streets chanting Govt out what BS!)

Aside from the inherent contradiction of asking wealthy older people to pay for the youth movement, why do you think a party needs a few wealthy benefactors? If they have good ideas, and get out of the ground, they can raise money directly, and build a base of support. Obama's massive campaign war chest was built on small donations, largely because people believed in what he was doing. They also volunteered their time en masse to go door knocking and make phone calls. Young people were deeply involved in his campaign. However you feel about his policies, Obama proved that it is possible to both get young people involved in politics and use the internet and social media in a non-passive way to get foot soldiers out on the ground. But that doesn't seem to be what you are suggesting here.

solutionsolver

I suggested some leaders at the top, people who have achieved and would gain respect not politicians although I mentioned two that I believe would be perceived as being acceptable. 18-35 have to be motivated to get out and vote to get rid of all the old people and wasters that are there. They badly need something they can believe in thats why there is so much disenchantment. It has to come from the ground up like Obama. Seems there is nobody with the same feelings on this board. The reason the immediate investment is required is because people don't have money to give and time is also an issue. It needs someone LIKE Ben Dunne who would come in behind a concept such as this. Nobody has come forward here with any well thought out policies yet, just knocked a few I threw out. Is there NO passion out there to change this country. Will we all just lie down and die. Is anybody interested in doing something, moving a concept like this along - SERIOUSLY!!!
It can be created and done through the media and social media for maximum fast impact ready to go when the election is called

Nijmegen

Hi Solutionsolver,


I like the fact that you're feeling like doing something. That puts you in a narrow swath of the population that is not a card carrying, dyed in the wool, member of an existing political party in our broken system.

However... I might propose that some of your concepts are coming across as a little too unpolished to be taken seriously - yet.

Don't cringe, you should take it as a positive criticism.

I'm too old to be a member of your movement anyway! (Though an age cap is illegal It's also a bit of a contrary position that the people you'd look to fund you are over 40.)

Also, if you want something to happen, a posting on boards awaiting followers to an idea won't cut it. Create something, and they will come.

solutionsolver

I'm too old as well but our children, the children of Ireland need parents like you and me. They need someone with a passion to drive them. This is where I thought I'd spark a bit of life in some of them. I've put up some policies, things like those mentioned need to be put on pages, one after another. Inventivenes, imagination, a general think tank that can then be debated and decided upon. These should be put in front of the lets call it Board of Management of this party if they could be approacehed (quietly and motivated by something like this) i.e. I suggested them above O'Leary, O'Brien, O'Connor, Dunne, Yeates and Ross to mention a few

Lenny Lovett

solutionsolver wrote: »

How people respond is amusing sometimes. Ok I believed the Cuban health service to be one of the best, I accept its a bit like ours from the link that followed but dropping the 'Cuban' aspect of it its top of the agenda with job creation and total reform of the civil service.

One of the reasons people didn't take you seriously. You picked an idea from the clouds with no intelligent research... A bit similar to how the current incumbents operate.

solutionsolver wrote: »

Its funny that some picked it up as a boards campaign heck the suggestion was boards have the database to make something happen thats all

Given that you asked for those of us that fit your criteria to send their CV's to editor@boards.ie.... Who did you think we'd believe was behind it?

solutionsolver wrote: »

Despite the current feeling towards politics and politicians and I am one of them that has no time for the current wasters, I believe Ireland's 18-35 year olds can be motivated. They need to be able to see candidates their own age (I'd say most would be in the 30 to 35 year old bracket and probably have university degrees i.e. intelligent beings not the sort depicted by several posters putting our youth into the bunch of morans bracket

Being such an intelligent chap, you'll no doubt see the irony of the highlighted words (clue: Morons). By implying that you're bunch of degree educated students and are smarter than the average forty or fifty something has just alienated much of the electorate. Not very intelligent. Also many of today's successful entrepreneurs have no third level qualifications. Equally I know many degree holders who I would not class a bright enough to leave unattended for a long period.

solutionsolver wrote: »

Nobody has much positive to say which just about sums up this nation ---as if going walking the streets will achieve anything

If you thought through your proposal a bit better and presented it a bit better and were less discriminatory (and arrogant perhaps? ref: intelligence = degree holders), maybe people would be a bit more positive. I'd say people will be a bit more discerning in their choice of Political leader from now on so potential candidates will need to be a tad smarter too.

solutionsolver wrote: »

Yes i do believe the people mentioned to give of their time and ability would come forward because they are interested in this country despite what you think. O'Leary - you might like like him but you have to admire him and what he has achieved ---and he pays his taxes here. O'Brien ok he doesn't pay his taxes LOL but he pays the salary of the Irish soccer manager because he wants to see Ireland do well on the world stage.

Nobody could engage in reasonable debate its sad really lets just all lie down and die (or go walk the streets chanting Govt out what BS!)

So you're happy to take money from the forty and fifty something business people but you don't think they'd fit the bill as candidates? Are you mad or what?

Look, I don't want to rain on your parade either but you need to think through and research your ideas before you put them out to the voters as they (and the media) will tear you apart if you pump out this type of silliness. We need serious contenders for the next and subsequent elections. People with life and business experience as well as your all important degree.

Scotty #

The Raven. wrote: »

You want the money and advice of the over-40s - and insult their intellegence in the process? :rolleyes:



Do you honestly think these people have time to waste on a bunch of amateurs? :rolleyes:

+1

I'm well under 40 but the very fact that you have such a policy would steer me well clear.

I presume women will be allowed join?

FTA69

Perfect. Change the country with a party whose agenda is setc by super-rich right-wing businessmen like O'Brien and O'Leary. With a view to copying communist Cuba's health system.

Drive on lad.

It sounds like a great project.

solutionsolver

will do thanks for your positive contribution. JNow take a walk and protest....Bertie is right all wafflers, nothing to contribute, lets keep the same
---- it'll change when some day in the near future those expecting payment from the exchequer are told sorry, money isn't there to pay you your salary this month you'll havev to do with 50%

FTA69

JNow take a walk and protest

I'm out every week leafleting, postering as well as producing my own leaflets etc to disseminate in Cork, as well as attending national protests etc and trying to participate in the work of building an actual movement.

I'm not poncing on about enlisting Michael O'Leary to create change.

Lenny Lovett

solutionsolver wrote: »

will do thanks for your positive contribution. JNow take a walk and protest....Bertie is right all wafflers, nothing to contribute, lets keep the same
---- it'll change when some day in the near future those expecting payment from the exchequer are told sorry, money isn't there to pay you your salary this month you'll havev to do with 50%

So rather than address our concerns, debate them and back up your assertions, you dismiss us all as "wafflers". Just like Bertie. Well done! You'll fit right in with the current lot.

solutionsolver

Congrats one doer on this board although I don't know what spending money on leafets will achieve. Think of a bigger picture, put together a concept, an alternative, get someone with real money to back you ---don't knowck these guys until you approach them for the means to make a real change.
Any policies anyone?

DeVore

southsiderosie wrote: »

Hence the "yes I know I am generalizing" part.

That said, if you can find a thread on here where protesters in Ireland aren't roundly mocked, more power to you.

Show me a "protester" who doesnt deserve to be mocked!

Actually no one here mocked the elderly protesters, mostly because they did it right and werent idiots about it.

DeV.

solutionsolver

DeVore wrote: »

Show me a "protester" who doesnt deserve to be mocked!

Actually no one here mocked the elderly protesters, mostly because they did it right and werent idiots about it.

DeV.

We have to stop the mentality of us protesting to them to change for us. We have to do something to make us change them -- at the next election !

lugha

OP,

Leaving aside your silly Logan's run type rule, what you are proposing is probably too little, and definitely too late. The hole we are in is well and truly dug and even were we suddenly and somehow to get only honorable and honest public representatives, it probably won't matter for the next decade, and possibly much longer.

Essentially, our POA will be about trying to keep the IMF out, which at the moment I am not confident we will succeed in doing. (That the successful pensioners action is held up as a victory for the ordinary people is indicative, IMO, of our failure to understand the kind of unpleasant medicine we must opt to take, or be compelled to).

It is not a popular thing to say in these parts, but I happen to think the current government are doing a reasonable job of handling the crisis (I exclude their banking "solution" from this view, but I don't think there is much to be gained by changing tact now). Make no mistake, I want FF out for their culpability in causing the crisis, but it is delusional to think anything other than we are in for a very rough ride for the foreseeable future, whoever we choose to lead us.

johnnyskeleton

OP, just to contrast your ideas, Plato argued that public representatives should all be over 50 and have no property or ties to property. Your solution is the exact opposite - young and well connected.

DeVore wrote: »

I love how people come on here and refer to Boards as if its a single biological entity rather then 300,000 individual agents, each with autonomy and opinions.

DeV.

Boards is an entity with 300,000 individuals and 600,000 different and contradictory opinions on the same topic.

DeVore wrote: »

Show me a "protester" who doesnt deserve to be mocked!

I'd show you these guys, but I'd probably be banned:

http://bristol.indymedia.org/article/4611