Is Ireland "British"?

RockinRolla · 09-09-2010 1:46am #1

We aren't kidding anyone by dressing up monkeys and sending them to the Dail every morning - so are we really run, secretly, by Britain? I mean, even the 'auld Geography/Atlas books say we're in the British Isles.

If we're in the British Isles, sure aren't we British then?

Ruu_Old · 09-09-2010 1:47am

Fawk sake, not this ruddy crap again! :mad:

Kersmash · 09-09-2010 1:50am

nope.

Revolution9 · 09-09-2010 1:52am

RockinRolla wrote: »

We aren't kidding anyone by dressing up monkeys and sending them to the Dail every morning - so are we really run, secretly, by Britain? I mean, even the 'auld Geography/Atlas books say we're in the British Isles.

If we're in the British Isles, sure aren't we British then?

If we were secretly run by the British, I imagine it would be...you know... a secret...the type of thing you wouldn't simply find out by asking boards.

Conspiracy Theory forum is that way >>>>>>>

DOC09UNAM · 09-09-2010 1:52am

shít thread.
we're irish, hint is in the names.

britain is british.
ireland is irish.

Hank Scorpio · 09-09-2010 1:53am

jaysus, your some sh1t stirrer lad

OPENROAD · 09-09-2010 1:54am

My Head hurts

minidazzler · 09-09-2010 1:57am

No we are not British, we are the Republic of Ireland, we are not part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

See how we aren't in the Kingdom so that we have no monarchy? That makes us not british.

KingLoser · 09-09-2010 1:58am

RockinRolla be RockaTrollin

RockinRolla · 09-09-2010 1:58am

Revolution9 wrote: »

If we were secretly run by the British, I imagine it would be...you know... a secret...the type of thing you wouldn't simply find out by asking boards.

Conspiracy Theory forum is that way >>>>>>>

nothing about a conspiracy for crying out loud...

The question was whether or not Ireland was in Britain or a part of the British Isles which would make us British.

Davek1312 · 09-09-2010 2:00am

We've fought to say we're Irish for too long so **** OFF

Cavehill Red · 09-09-2010 2:01am

Ireland isn't British. It's Irish. That's self-evident.
The term 'British' Isles is a Victorian one long jettisoned in favour of the collective term 'Britain and Ireland' to describe the archipelago.
Having said that, the British occupy a quarter of our island, patrol our borders and seas, collect intelligence from our security forces and dominate our culture.
So in the sense of power and cultural dynamics, the question isn't quite so stupid as it first appears.
And having said that, I do reckon the OP is simply trolling.

Connie_c28 · 09-09-2010 2:01am

RockinRolla wrote: »

We aren't kidding anyone by dressing up monkeys and sending them to the Dail every morning - so are we really run, secretly, by Britain? I mean, even the 'auld Geography/Atlas books say we're in the British Isles.

If we're in the British Isles, sure aren't we British then?

You say in another post:
We don't own this land, we own nothing - we're just passing through and for, what is a millisecond (our lives) compared to the timescale of the Earth, we should appreciate what little time has been given to us while we are here before we close our eyes for the rest of eternity.

Well if 'we own nothing' what right have Britain to lay claim to the land?

mikemac · 09-09-2010 2:02am

I predict this thread will end well with lots of useful contributions

The OP did post this in After Hours after all

National Geographic state British and Irish Isles to answer your question OP

Revolution9 · 09-09-2010 2:02am

RockinRolla wrote: »

nothing about a conspiracy for crying out loud...

The question was whether or not Ireland was in Britain or a part of the British Isles which would make us British.

You asked

so are we really run, secretly, by Britain?

Nothing about a conspiracy? I imagine if Britain was secretly in control of the Republic of Ireland it would very much be conspiratorial.

Vorsprung · 09-09-2010 2:02am

The the 1,000,000th time...

The British Isles is a geographical description, not a political description.

RockinRolla · 09-09-2010 2:03am

minidazzler wrote: »

That makes us not british.

But we're in the British Isles...

If you're born here, you're British. Much like a Mexican or Chilean is from the Americas.

IvySlayer · 09-09-2010 2:03am

RockinRolla wrote: »

nothing about a conspiracy for crying out loud...

The question was whether or not Ireland was in Britain or a part of the British Isles which would make us British.

We are part of a group of Islands known as the British Isles.

Within the British Isles lies 2 states. The UK and Republic of Ireland.

knird evol · 09-09-2010 2:04am

RockinRolla wrote: »

We aren't kidding anyone by dressing up monkeys and sending them to the Dail every morning - so are we really run, secretly, by Britain? I mean, even the 'auld Geography/Atlas books say we're in the British Isles.

If we're in the British Isles, sure aren't we British then?

"British Isles" is a geographic term. The collection of islands is given the tag or name british isles. "The Republic of Ireland" is a political entity. Its only current affiliation to the UK is that they are both members of the EU.

This is all just splitting hairs though as far as the Lizard People are concerned. They will liquidate all these redundant human ideas when the right time comes.

Cavehill Red · 09-09-2010 2:07am

IvySlayer wrote: »

We are part of a group of Islands known as the British Isles.

If the year is anno domini 1870. These days, it's simply Britain and Ireland. Politically part of Ireland is British-occupied. It's known as Northern Ireland to distinguish it from the rest of the island.

miss no stars · 09-09-2010 2:09am

Humouring you, no we are not.

While we are, undeniably, a part of the British Isles, we are still Irish. Belonging to a geographical grouping does not automatically indicate belonging to the named/larger/more influential political entity in that grouping. For instance, the people living in the Falklands are British, not South American. The people living in Gibralter are definately British and not Spanish. The Channel Islands are not actually part of the British Isles yet are, indeed, British. And conversely, while Ireland IS a part of the British Isles, we are in fact a soverign country called Ireland.

Happy?

miss no stars · 09-09-2010 2:10am

Cavehill Red wrote: »

If the year is anno domini 1870. These days, it's simply Britain and Ireland. Politically part of Ireland is British-occupied. It's known as Northern Ireland to distinguish it from the rest of the island.

It's still the British Isles. Deal with it.

IvySlayer · 09-09-2010 2:11am

Cavehill Red wrote: »

If the year is anno domini 1870. These days, it's simply Britain and Ireland. Politically part of Ireland is British-occupied. It's known as Northern Ireland to distinguish it from the rest of the island.

BRITISH ISLES = GEOGRAPHICAL NAME!! It's still used today.

Brazil aren't American because they are in the South American continent.

RockinRolla · 09-09-2010 2:13am

IvySlayer wrote: »

BRITISH ISLES = GEOGRAPHICAL NAME!! It's still used today.

Brazil aren't American because they are in the South American continent.

Brazil ARE in the America's, so they're Americans.

Cavehill Red · 09-09-2010 2:13am

miss no stars wrote: »

It's still the British Isles. Deal with it.

No, it isn't. It's Britain and Ireland. Don't live in the past. The empire's over, you know.

uwala · 09-09-2010 2:15am

Cavehill Red wrote: »

No, it isn't. It's Britain and Ireland. Don't live in the past. The empire's over, you know.

Oh yes it is. We can go on all night if you like, Mr Mc Kevitt.

miss no stars · 09-09-2010 2:16am

Erm. No, it's the British Isles. There are more than just the UK and Ireland included in the British Isles, as it includes dependancies of the crown. We got our independance decades ago, get over the hatred and fenian attitudes.

KingLoser · 09-09-2010 2:17am

Hey OP, go get a British passport with your argument and then get back to us eh?

IvySlayer · 09-09-2010 2:20am

RockinRolla wrote: »

Brazil ARE in the America's, so they're Americans.

So if someone said you 'I'm American'

You'd think they were from Canada, Brazil, Argentina....etc etc

...Jesus Christ.

Cavehill Red · 09-09-2010 2:24am

uwala wrote: »

Oh yes it is. We can go on all night if you like, Mr Mc Kevitt.

FAIL. On two counts. My name's not McKevitt and, oh look!

The term British Isles is controversial in relation to Ireland, where there are objections to its usage due to the association of the word British with Ireland. The Government of Ireland does not use the term and its embassy in London discourages its use. As a result, Britain and Ireland is becoming a preferred description, and Atlantic Archipelago is increasingly favoured in academia, although British Isles is still commonly employed.

From wiki.

A spokesman for the Irish Embassy in London said: “The British Isles has a dated ring to it, as if we are still part of the Empire. We are independent, we are not part of Britain, not even in geographical terms. We would discourage its useage.”

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article658099.ece
From the London Times.

British Isles: A geographical term taken to mean Great Britain, Ireland and some or all of the adjacent islands such as Orkney, Shetland and the Isle of Man. The phrase is best avoided, given its (understandable) unpopularity in the Irish Republic. The plate in the National Geographic Atlas of the World once titled British Isles now reads Britain and Ireland.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/styleguide/b
From the Manchester Guardian.

Now, since even the voices of British media authority and our own Government agree it's Britain and Ireland, who are you to argue?

09-09-2010 2:31am

I would have gone for "North-West Europe isles", or a shortened "Brinirish isles", but "Atlantic Archipalagio"....I like it.

miss no stars · 09-09-2010 2:32am

Cavehill Red, what's your point?

So the term is falling out of favour? It still exists and Ireland is still (believe it or not) included in the term "The British Isles".

Britain and Ireland is exactly that - Britain and Ireland.

The British Isles includes thousands of other islands and some crown dependancies not included as being a part of Great Britain.

Different grouping. Different name.

Now cry me a river, build a bridge and get the hell over it.

Cavehill Red · 09-09-2010 2:37am

miss no stars wrote: »

Cavehill Red, what's your point?

So the term is falling out of favour? It still exists and Ireland is still (believe it or not) included in the term "The British Isles".

Britain and Ireland is exactly that - Britain and Ireland.

The British Isles includes thousands of other islands and some crown dependancies not included as being a part of Great Britain.

Different grouping. Different name.

Now cry me a river, build a bridge and get the hell over it.

My point is only you and people who are 150 years old still consider that term legitimate.
The correct term is 'Britain and Ireland'. Alternatives, speaking strictly in a geographical context, include the Atlantic or North-West European Archipelago.
This is Ireland, we're in it, the name of the island is Ireland and the name of the archipelago, according to our state, is Britain and Ireland, and that term is fully accepted by the British establishment.
So, what's your point?

miss no stars · 09-09-2010 2:42am

Cavehill Red wrote: »

My point is only you and people who are 150 years old still consider that term legitimate.
The correct term is 'Britain and Ireland'. Alternatives, speaking strictly in a geographical context, include the Atlantic or North-West European Archipelago.
This is Ireland, we're in it, the name of the island is Ireland and the name of the archipelago, according to our state, is Britain and Ireland, and that term is fully accepted by the British establishment.
So, what's your point?

I'm 22 not 222 yet - shock horror - I feel secure enough in Ireland's independence that I don't see the need for all the uptightness about a term that's been in use for centuries. Do I use the term in everyday life? No because where does the need arise? It's just a name for a geographical grouping of Islands. As you have mentioned, there are other options available for those who wish, so what's the great big issue here?

The original question was, does the fact that we're part of the British Isles make us british, the answer being no. Now for some reason you have your knickers in a twist about one of the ways of describing this reigion of cold, wet, atlantic surrounded islands.

MUSEIST · 09-09-2010 2:45am

Is Britain really Irish?

Cavehill Red · 09-09-2010 2:47am

miss no stars wrote: »

I'm 22 not 222 yet - shock horror - I feel secure enough in Ireland's independence that I don't see the need for all the uptightness about a term that's been in use for centuries.

So why not call this place Hibernia or Eriu? Why pause your historical ruminations a century past?

miss no stars wrote: »

Do I use the term in everyday life? No because where does the need arise? It's just a name for a geographical grouping of Islands. As you have mentioned, there are other options available for those who wish, so what's the great big issue here?

No big issue. You were just wrong is all. The term 'British Isles' is antiquated and causes confusion, since there ARE British Isles, including Wight, the Shetlands, Islay, etc. But not Ireland.

miss no stars wrote: »

The original question was, does the fact that we're part of the British Isles make us british, the answer being no. Now for some reason you have your knickers in a twist about one of the ways of describing this reigion of cold, wet, atlantic surrounded islands.

I don't wear knickers. Your predictive faculties are seriously letting you down tonight.
It may be ONE way to describe this archipelago, but it's the WRONG way. The correct term is Britain and Ireland. Let's accept that and move along, please.
Incidentally, I entirely agree with you that antiquated geographic terminology does not make any of us British.
However, I do respect the terms of the Good Friday Agreement, which asserts that any Irish person from the six counties or indeed any Irish person born before 1949 (or with qualifying ancestors born before that date) is fully entitled to British citizenship and to be referred to as British.

Esel · 09-09-2010 2:57am

OP, is there much room under that bridge?

scientific1982 · 09-09-2010 2:58am

As a result of colonisation we share a lot culturally with the UK. We're like Canada and the US.

DOC09UNAM · 09-09-2010 3:06am

RockinRolla wrote: »

Brazil ARE in the America's, so they're Americans.

Don't be so silly, there is two totally different continents.

South america, and North america.

And FTR, Americans is a term used to describe people from the U.S.A.

DOC09UNAM · 09-09-2010 3:09am

Cavehill Red wrote: »

So why not call this place Hibernia or Eriu? Why pause your historical ruminations a century past?

No big issue. You were just wrong is all. The term 'British Isles' is antiquated and causes confusion, since there ARE British Isles, including Wight, the Shetlands, Islay, etc. But not Ireland.

I don't wear knickers. Your predictive faculties are seriously letting you down tonight.
It may be ONE way to describe this archipelago, but it's the WRONG way. The correct term is Britain and Ireland. Let's accept that and move along, please.
Incidentally, I entirely agree with you that antiquated geographic terminology does not make any of us British.
However, I do respect the terms of the Good Friday Agreement, which asserts that any Irish person from the six counties or indeed any Irish person born before 1949 (or with qualifying ancestors born before that date) is fully entitled to British citizenship and to be referred to as British.

You seem to be whining about a lot of things recently.

Is there room for a tampon in that sandy vagina?

Cavehill Red · 09-09-2010 3:14am

DOC09UNAM wrote: »

You seem to be whining about a lot of things recently.

Is there room for a tampon in that sandy vagina?

Sad.

ddef · 09-09-2010 3:17am

DOC09UNAM wrote: »

Don't be so silly, there is two totally different continents.

South america, and North america.

And FTR, Americans is a term used to describe people from the U.S.A.

You are an idiot...read what you just said
North AMERICA and south AMERICA.
they are americans.
people from the USA are citizens of the United States of America.
People from Brazil are citizens of Brazil.
They are both AMERICANS.

iguy · 09-09-2010 3:24am

OPENROAD wrote: »

My Head hurts

Mine really hurts,
WE ARE IRISH* OP,GET A FUPPING BLOODY GRIP.
*no offence brummytom,lad I'm sure there is nothing wrong with the British,the past is the past as they say.;-):-D:-P...........:$,
Yours truly iguy.

johnmcdnl · 09-09-2010 3:25am

The British Isles is the name of an archipelago consiting of two main islands - Great Britain (England Scotland Wales) and Ireland (obvious enough i hope)...

The UK is a soverign state as is Ireland - Great Britain is just the name of the island OP so there's no hint in the name really...

I don't see how Ireland could really be run by the UK anyways OP or else we'd obviously be sending out troops to Iraq and Afghanistan wouldn't we - that'd be a big hint to show we're supporting them but seeing as we're not that'd give a pretty good hint that the UK's influence isn't that big in our state...

Wolfe Tone · 09-09-2010 3:27am

Only one part of Ireland run by the Brits today.

Sheeps · 09-09-2010 3:34am

we are spanish

jimmycrackcorm · 09-09-2010 3:36am

We're a little bit left of Britain. Please consult the alas.

Einhard · 09-09-2010 3:47am

We wish we were British!!

/stirs the pot just a little more

Mike 1972 · 09-09-2010 6:34am

Cavehill Red wrote: »

Politically part of Ireland is British-occupied. It's known as Northern Ireland to distinguish it from the rest of the island.

Northern Ireland is not "occupied"

RMD · 09-09-2010 6:38am

RockinRolla wrote: »

We aren't kidding anyone by dressing up monkeys and sending them to the Dail every morning - so are we really run, secretly, by Britain? I mean, even the 'auld Geography/Atlas books say we're in the British Isles.

If we're in the British Isles, sure aren't we British then?

FFS, before jumping to idiotic conclusions do some research. The British Isles are a geographical term for a collection islands off the coast of europe due to the fact that Britain is the biggest island of the 2, it's common sense.

lugha · 09-09-2010 6:47am

Cavehill Red wrote: »

The term 'British Isles' is antiquated and causes confusion, since there ARE British Isles, including Wight, the Shetlands, Islay, etc. But not Ireland..

Do you also get confused with the labels "Irish sea" or "French channel" though these are not exclusively Irish / French?

Cavehill Red wrote: »

However, I do respect the terms of the Good Friday Agreement, which asserts that any Irish person from the six counties ...

:D:D

Is Ireland "British"?

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