Who was the better team? Kerry 77-82 or Kilkenny 2006-10?

FatherTed

Who was the better team? Kerry 78-82 or Kilkenny 2006-10?

Who will be best remembered in GAA History?

liammur

FatherTed wrote: »

Who was the better team? Kerry 78-82 or Kilkenny 2006-10?

Who will be best remembered in GAA History?

How many leagues did each team win over that period? That will prove the decisive factor.

FatherTed

liammur wrote: »

How many leagues did each team win over that period? That will prove the decisive factor.

Kerry won 1 (82)
Kilkenny won 2 (06, 09)

Maybe we should consider the whole period of the teams e..g Kerry 75-86 when they won 8 All-Irelands and 3 Leagues. Kilkenny 00-10, 7 All-Irelands, 6 leagues.

liammur

FatherTed wrote: »

Kerry won 1 (82)
Kilkenny won 2 (06, 09)

Interesting. Had Kerry more leagues I'd def vote for them.
But now I'm not sure, as KK were almost humiliated on sunday whereas kerry got caught with a late sucker punch in their 5 in row quest.

who the fug

liammur wrote: »

How many leagues did each team win over that period? That will prove the decisive factor.

Kerry never bothered with the league, and more or less went into hibernation from September till April

Morgans

I think the competition around was the key factor in determining who was better.

Strong teams from Cork, Dublin, Offaly, Roscommon and Armagh around in Kerry's era. Two late goals costing them an 9 in a row...

Cork were strong at the beginning of Kilkenny's run. Tipperary towards the end, but maybe they had a few softer than normal All Irelands.

Probably wrong to compare.

who the fug

Would if not be better to compare Kilkenny with the Cork hurlers from the forties

liammur

Morgans wrote: »

I think the competition around was the key factor in determining who was better.

Strong teams from Cork, Dublin, Offaly, Roscommon and Armagh around in Kerry's era. Two late goals costing them an 9 in a row...

Cork were strong at the beginning of Kilkenny's run. Tipperary towards the end, but maybe they had a few softer than normal All Irelands.

Probably wrong to compare.

I don't buy this 'not bothering with the league' theory.
But certainly, competition has to be looked at. I felt KK picked up a few handy ones: against a cork team in decline, a limerick team always flops on all ireland day, waterford were going down quicker than Anglo shares, lucky against tipp last year, trounced by 8 points this year.

Sack

Has to be Kilkenny for me. They produced arguably the most complete sporting display when the beat Waterford in the '08 final.

who the fug

liammur wrote: »

I don't buy this 'not bothering with the league' theory.

If you looked at a kerry team sheet during the league is was very much different to what you would see in June

liammur

who the fug wrote: »

If you looked at a kerry team sheet during the league is was very much different to what you would see in June

Maybe so, but 1 thing I give KK huge credit for is they always tried to win everything, and perhaps in Shefflin possessed the greatest hurler ever.

Sofa King Great

Kilkenny were better footballers whereas kerry were the better hurlers.

blackbelt

I would find it hard to give a very definite vote to either but there are facts that must come into it.

This myth that Kerry don't care about the league is just that,a myth.League form is important when it comes to championship in most cases.Cork and Down doing very well in the league by winning D1 and getting promoted from D2.Kerry winning D1 last year with the AI and Cork making the final after winning D2.Kilkenny have also done this along with Tipp and served them very well preparing for the championship.

Kerry won 4 AI football titles in a time when it was straight knockout.Kilkenny won their 4 titles in the current format but didn't have to resort to any backdoor to get their titles either.

I do feel that Kerry would have had stiffer competition with the likes of Dublin,Offaly,Meath,Armagh and Cork.Kilkenny had only an occasional Galway and Tipperary to contend with.

I think the fact that hurling is a more skillful game is the deciding factor for me.It wouldn't suurprise me if 5 in a row is done in football long before hurling.So on that basis I'd vote for Kilkenny.

Morgans

blackbelt wrote: »

I think the fact that hurling is a more skillful game is the deciding factor for me.It wouldn't suurprise me if 5 in a row is done in football long before hurling.So on that basis I'd vote for Kilkenny.

I think the fact that hurling is more skilful makes it far far more likely that a team would get to 4 in a row again than football. The facts are that a team like Down, who would only have a hopeful outside chance of winning the AI at the start of the year can get to the final says it all. Wexford, Fermanagh and even Kildare got to semi finals recently. Because its more skilful, it means that huge efforts need to be made in a long-term plan to get young players doing the right things early. I'd suspect that the amount of effort to get a middle of the road team - Laois maybe - to an AI hurling is far greater than in football.

Hurling's semi finals will be contested by four four Kilkenny, Tipperary, Cork, Waterford, Clare and Galway over the next five years. (Maybe Limerick, Wexford, Offaly, Dublin or Antrim can get back into the mix with a surprise or two) but the fact that you can narrow down the possible winners to a handful every year makes the sport less competitive. I'd bet now that whoever beats Kilkenny next year will win the all-ireland.

Cavehill Red

FatherTed wrote: »

Who was the better team? Kerry 78-82 or Kilkenny 2006-10?

Liverpool FC, 1977-1988.
Played and beat every other team on the continent repeatedly in a global code, not just a handful of teams from one small island in minority sports.

Laois_Man

liammur wrote: »

I don't buy this 'not bothering with the league' theory.
But certainly, competition has to be looked at. I felt KK picked up a few handy ones: against a cork team in decline, a limerick team always flops on all ireland day, waterford were going down quicker than Anglo shares, lucky against tipp last year, trounced by 8 points this year.

I think it's wrong to just talk about the finals.
I feel Kerry always had a harder job even to get to an All-Ireland final than Kilkenny hurlers do now!

4 matches to win an All-Ireland - at least 2 of them being formalaties! Kerry never had it as handy!

Perhaps that's unfair of me!

thesultan

I think we can talk in four or five years in how Kilkenny respond to this years loss.

blackbelt

Cavehill Red wrote: »

Liverpool FC, 1977-1988.
Played and beat every other team on the continent repeatedly in a global code, not just a handful of teams from one small island in minority sports.

The purpose of this thread is to debate and get a consensus as to which team was better,Kerry footballers from 1977 to 1982 or Kilkenny hurlers from 2006 to 2010.I take it you are not that good at aptitude tests or reading comprehension.

Also,Boards have a soccer forum in which you can discuss Liverpool,Man Utd,Chelsea,Arsenal and Fulham.If you have nothing constructive to say or any worthwhile contribution to the GAA forum,then don't post here.

c_man

Cavehill Red wrote: »

Liverpool FC, 1977-1988.
Played and beat every other team on the continent repeatedly in a global code, not just a handful of teams from one small island in minority sports.

Wow, chip on the shoulder much?


Minority sports? Lol, this ain't LOI.

c_man

I would probably go for Kerry. But as for being best remembered, that has to go to Kilkenny. When on top form, nobody was even close.

blackbelt

c_man wrote: »

Wow, chip on the shoulder much?


Minority sports? Lol, this ain't LOI.

Don't entertain the WUMs.Anybody who wants to drag this thread off topic or have another GAA v soccer rant will be banned.

liammur

Laois_Man wrote: »

I think it's wrong to just talk about the finals.
I feel Kerry always had a harder job even to get to an All-Ireland final than Kilkenny hurlers do now!

4 matches to win an All-Ireland - at least 2 of them being formalaties! Kerry never had it as handy!


Perhaps that's unfair of me!

You make a valid point re finals.

But let's get some facts straight. Munster football is desperately weak, so Kerry's route to the final was no more difficult than KK's.
There are also only a handful of counties in football capable of winning the All Ireland,recent history has proven that.

Bill2673

I don't know about competition being tougher for Kerry back in the day...

Looking at the stats, they absolutely hammered the likes of Monaghan, Mayo, Roscommon in the semi-finals they played.....They didn't win any close matches really, and didn't win coming from behind in any game either (unlike KK last year say). Makes me wonder how strong the opposition were rather than how good Kerry were.

I do think there was a bit more romance about the Kerry team, more iconic figures like the bomber, mikey sheehy, pat spillane and so on.....but maybe thats something that comes over time.....and it doesn't necessarily mean they were a better team.

Also, I don't think Kilkenny were well beaten on Sunday, despite the scoreline, any more than Tipp weren't well beaten last year despite the 5 point gap.

I think there are big similarities between the two teams, in terms of raising the bar and to some extent changing the way the game is played and what is needed in terms of effort to win an all Ireland. This Tipp team is a street ahead of the last Tipp team to win an All Ireland (IMHO).

derdider

Kilkenny are certainly a class team - and maybe its just the fallout from a heavy defeat, but i cant help get the feeling that they were a bit over-rated too.

They lost to Cork in 04 & 05
They beat a good (although in decline) Cork side in 06
They beat an average Limerick team in 07
They beat a Waterford team who never showed up in 08 (although they did play fantastically well this year and the previous one)
They should have lost to Tipp in 09
They lost fairly emphatically to a young Tipp team in 10

There were a few handy AIs there in the middle plus a lucky one. Plus, both Cork and Tipp were in the doldrums for a few of them years.

Dont mean to take away from an obviously great KK team. I just think that since the decline of Cork and now the emergence of Tipp they hadnt a lot of competition. They will rightly remembered as one of the great teams but i just think people went a little overboard on them until last week. Who knows, maybe the next few years will prove me wrong.....

thesultan

I actually think that Kilkenny's greatest hour was in last years league. I have never seen such hammerings giving out to contenders of the All Ireland. It was probably their peak of play

homerjay2005

liammur wrote: »

How many leagues did each team win over that period? That will prove the decisive factor.

errm what???:eek::eek::eek::eek:

to quote Pat Spillanes book.

"we didnt care about the leagues. In fact, i dont even know how many we won or even where my medals are"

madness, league matters nothing. ask waterford and mayo followers over the last 10 years what the league means.

Bill2673

derdider wrote: »

Kilkenny are certainly a class team - and maybe its just the fallout from a heavy defeat, but i cant help get the feeling that they were a bit over-rated too.

They lost to Cork in 04 & 05
They beat a good (although in decline) Cork side in 06
They beat an average Limerick team in 07
They beat a Waterford team who never showed up in 08 (although they did play fantastically well this year and the previous one)
They should have lost to Tipp in 09
They lost fairly emphatically to a young Tipp team in 10

There were a few handy AIs there in the middle plus a lucky one. Plus, both Cork and Tipp were in the doldrums for a few of them years.

Dont mean to take away from an obviously great KK team. I just think that since the decline of Cork and now the emergence of Tipp they hadnt a lot of competition. They will rightly remembered as one of the great teams but i just think people went a little overboard on them until last week. Who knows, maybe the next few years will prove me wrong.....

Firstly, Cork didn't beat them in '05...

how and ever.

The Cork team they beat in 2006 were on for 3 in a row, and were favourites on the day.

Limerick, fair enough.

Waterford were and are a solid team, didn't show up maybe but KK were awesome that day.

KK deserved to win last year just as Tipp deserved to win this year.....I don't buy that Tipp deserved to win last year, that would be to do a disservice to PJ Ryan in particular.

Against that, who are the great teams that Kerry beat along the way.....they hammered a Dublin team in decline and were never really under the cosh again (apart from Roscommon's early goal) until Offaly beat them.

liammur

homerjay2005 wrote: »

errm what???:eek::eek::eek::eek:

to quote Pat Spillanes book.

"we didnt care about the leagues. In fact, i dont even know how many we won or even where my medals are"

madness, league matters nothing. ask waterford and mayo followers over the last 10 years what the league means.

But I'd say he knows where his money is from rte. He also didn't rate Tyrone,,,,GULP. Let's not get too carried away by a desperate anal-yst.
Waterford hurlers are delighted to have their league medal and 4 munster medals.

who the fug

Off the top of my head, Kerry had a replay against Cork every other year, what was fecking galling about the whole thing, if that Kerry team had not been there Cork would have won 2 maybe 3 all Irelands between 73 and 83.

it was one of out best teams ever

liammur

who the fug wrote: »

Off the top of my head, Kerry had a replay against Cork every other year, what was fecking galling about the whole thing, if that Kerry team had not been there Cork would have won 2 maybe 3 all Irelands between 73 and 83.

it was one of out best teams ever

Don't Cork have a record of blow-outs in the football finals though, a bit like limerick hurlers?

adrian522

Really impossible to compare 2 teams from such different eras, never mind across different sports.

Also it won't be really possible to evaluate Kilkenny until they have regressed and we can appreciate their achivements over the last decade or so,

They are the best team I've ever seen, but I don't really remember much of what that Kerry team was like, I was only 6 in 1982!

Martin567

Laois_Man wrote: »

I think it's wrong to just talk about the finals.
I feel Kerry always had a harder job even to get to an All-Ireland final than Kilkenny hurlers do now!

4 matches to win an All-Ireland - at least 2 of them being formalaties! Kerry never had it as handy!

Perhaps that's unfair of me!

Surely that is exactly what Kerry had to do also. The Munster semi-final against Clare, Limerick, Waterford or Tipperary was always a formality. These four teams are all better now than they were in the late 70's, early 80's. Kerry then had a tough game against Cork. The standard of football in Connacht & Ulster wasn't great then either and Kerry recorded a lot of big wins. The only real problems for them were Dublin and later Offaly.

Therefore four matches was what Kerry had to win also and at least two of these were relatively straightforward. This was mainly due to their own quality, I hasten to add.

homerjay2005

Sack wrote: »

Has to be Kilkenny for me. They produced arguably the most complete sporting display when the beat Waterford in the '08 final.

Football - 1978 All Ireland Final Kerry v Dublin. Kerry 5-11 : Dublin 0-09.

your basing it on one game? Kerry in 78, beat the current all ireland champions, considered to be one of the greatest teams of all time. Kilkenny in 2008, beat a team who sh*t themselves on all-ireland final day, their first in what, 50 years or so?

overall though, its really hard to call, so many things to take into account. i being from kerry, are obviously going to say my own team, but its really hard to call.

it will only be in 10 or 20 years with the passage of time can we perhaps correctly pick when the current kilkenny team pack it in.

that kerry team were 1 minute away from the 5 in a row, in what was one of the best all ireland finals of all time. 1-15 to 0-17. kilkenny were well beaten the last day, but it was also a great game.

Kerry went on to do the 3 in a row from 84 to 86. another thing that is to be taken into account, in 83, cork scored an injury time goal to deny kerry the 10 munster titles in a row.

and that dublin team at the same time, was considered to be the 2nd greatest football team of all time. nobody comes near that in hurling, not even close. cork, according to Micko were even better than Dublin and stood in kerrys way, every year.

liammur wrote: »

But I'd say he knows where his money is from rte. He also didn't rate Tyrone,,,,GULP. Let's not get too carried away by a desperate anal-yst.
Waterford hurlers are delighted to have their league medal and 4 munster medals.

lol, post of the day....what has his work for RTE got to do with his attitude to playing 20 years ago? he is one of the best players of all time, and one of irelands greatest ever athletes. they knew what it take to win all irelands and for them, peaking at the right time was one of them.
for your record, spillane has 2 league medals and 11 munsters, added to the 9 all starts and 9 all ireland medals (he has a senior club all ireland also)

c_man wrote: »

I would probably go for Kerry. But as for being best remembered, that has to go to Kilkenny. When on top form, nobody was even close.

i would supsect that the majority of posters on this thread would not remember the kerry much, only for the snippets that they saw on tv.

Bill2673

who the fug wrote: »

Off the top of my head, Kerry had a replay against Cork every other year, what was fecking galling about the whole thing, if that Kerry team had not been there Cork would have won 2 maybe 3 all Irelands between 73 and 83.

it was one of out best teams ever

1981Kerry 1-11Cork 0-03 1980Kerry 3-13Cork 0-12 1979Kerry 2-14Cork 2-04 1978Kerry 3-14Cork 3-07

who the fug

liammur wrote: »

Don't Cork have a record of blow-outs in the football finals though, a bit like limerick hurlers?

For someone of my generation, it is just nice to blow up in Croker, rather than throw it away in Munster.


Are Mayo not the Kings of Bottling

who the fug

Bill2673 wrote: »

1981Kerry 1-11Cork 0-03 1980Kerry 3-13Cork 0-12 1979Kerry 2-14Cork 2-04 1978Kerry 3-14Cork 3-07

Funny how ones memory blots things like that out , all I can say it was a good job a 10 year old moi did not have access to a nuclear device

Bill2673

homerjay2005 wrote: »

i would supsect that the majority of posters on this thread would not remember the kerry much, only for the snippets that they saw on tv.

You probably right.

my dad brought me to see Kerry tonk Monaghan in the 1979 semi, my first match in Croker, and to see them beat Roscommon, my second match in croker.....can't remember the first but I remember everyone jumping up when Roscommon got the early goal in the second, and thinking that this meant Roscommon was going to win.

As an aside.....I saw Mick O'Dwyer say once that if Kerry had gotten the 5 in a row, then Matt Connor would never have won an all ireland, and that wouldnt have been right.....now maybe he was saying that as his way of dealing with the defeat....but maybe he actually meant it.

And maybe the players don't care as much about the notion of a record and history and immortality as the fans do.....

liammur

homerjay2005 wrote: »

he is one of the best players of all time, and one of irelands greatest ever athletes.

We might let you away with the first one, but lol, honestly, delete the 2nd bit to retain any bit of credibility.

Diabhal Beag

I have to say Kilkenny. They had an air of invincibility around them the whole time. They lived up to all hype and surpassed all expectations.

Stinicker

May I weigh in to the argument here and let people know that contrary to popular opinion, Kerry actually promotes Hurling and in North Kerry and South Kerry, Hurling is the major sport of our rural clubs while football plays second fiddle. Kerry reached the Christy Ring final (having won all their games) this year and were unlucky to be beaten as it would have promoted the team to the Championship.

Ballyduff won our 1st and only ever Hurling title in 1891 and ever since Hurling has played a very active part in the club scene of the county. Many of our Hurlers are dual players and Paul Galvin is a great Hurler for finuge.

Contrast this to Kilkenny who hardly promote football at all and are the only county not to compete in the football championship when the other 31 plus London and New York compete happily. I would argue that if Kerry was as selfish as to neglect Hurling in the same way the Kilkenny County Board does football throughout the last few decades then some of our best Hurlers would have developed into footballers and our domination would have been greater of the game.

In Football you have to win anywhere from 6 to 9 hard games to win Sam Maguire wheras the last few year Kilkenny has got one hard match a year in the final. Because of that not only do I rate Kerry's golden years team ahead of Kilkenny, I also rate our current team and Cork of the 1940's ahead of this current Kilkenny team.

liammur

Stinicker wrote: »

May I weigh in to the argument here and let people know that contrary to popular opinion, Kerry actually promotes Hurling and in North Kerry and South Kerry, Hurling is the major sport of our rural clubs while football plays second fiddle. Kerry reached the Christy Ring final (having won all their games) this year and were unlucky to be beaten as it would have promoted the team to the Championship.

Ballyduff won our 1st and only ever Hurling title in 1891 and ever since Hurling has played a very active part in the club scene of the county. Many of our Hurlers are dual players and Paul Galvin is a great Hurler for finuge.

Contrast this to Kilkenny who hardly promote football at all and are the only county not to compete in the football championship when the other 31 plus London and New York compete happily. I would argue that if Kerry was as selfish as to neglect Hurling in the same way the Kilkenny County Board does football throughout the last few decades then some of our best Hurlers would have developed into footballers and our domination would have been greater of the game.

In Football you have to win anywhere from 6 to 9 hard games to win Sam Maguire wheras the last few year Kilkenny has got one hard match a year in the final. Because of that not only do I rate Kerry's golden years team ahead of Kilkenny, I also rate our current team and Cork of the 1940's ahead of this current Kilkenny team.

Unfortunately your argument is flawed.

That Kerry team NEVER played 6 to 9 games to win Sam.

Stinicker

liammur wrote: »

Unfortunately your argument is flawed.

That Kerry team NEVER played 6 to 9 games to win Sam.

Completely agree, they played 4 or 5, 6 maybe with a replay. I was comparing the current Kerry team of 2000-2010 to the current Kilkenny crop!

liammur

Stinicker wrote: »

Completely agree, they played 4 or 5, 6 maybe with a replay. I was comparing the current Kerry team of 2000-2010 to the current Kilkenny crop!

Sure this current kerry team were even struggling to win munster, couldn't cope with the power of tyrone and armagh in all pressure finals?

Stinicker

liammur wrote: »

Sure this current kerry team were even struggling to win munster, couldn't cope with the power of tyrone and armagh in all pressure finals?

Kerry won 5 all-Irelands in the last decade and they had to fight harder for those five than Kilkenny had to for their 7 titles. The Ulster and Munster Championships are extremely competitive, the Leinster Hurling Championship is a joke by comparison.

liammur

Stinicker wrote: »

Kerry won 5 all-Irelands in the last decade and they had to fight harder for those five than Kilkenny had to for their 7 titles. The Ulster and Munster Championships are extremely competitive, the Leinster Hurling Championship is a joke by comparison.

Football is at an all time low. Leinster can't even get a team to the final? Munster football is a complete joke. I would rate tyrone ahead of kerry, who have resorted to dirty play which is a pity.

shockframe

Morgans wrote: »

I think the fact that hurling is more skilful makes it far far more likely that a team would get to 4 in a row again than football. The facts are that a team like Down, who would only have a hopeful outside chance of winning the AI at the start of the year can get to the final says it all. Wexford, Fermanagh and even Kildare got to semi finals recently. Because its more skilful, it means that huge efforts need to be made in a long-term plan to get young players doing the right things early. I'd suspect that the amount of effort to get a middle of the road team - Laois maybe - to an AI hurling is far greater than in football.

Hurling's semi finals will be contested by four four Kilkenny, Tipperary, Cork, Waterford, Clare and Galway over the next five years. (Maybe Limerick, Wexford, Offaly, Dublin or Antrim can get back into the mix with a surprise or two) but the fact that you can narrow down the possible winners to a handful every year makes the sport less competitive. I'd bet now that whoever beats Kilkenny next year will win the all-ireland.

The fact that down got to the all ireland final was mainly due to underage success and a relative decline in tyrone and kerry.It is no easier for a team to win an all ireland in football than it is in hurling.

Average teams can get far in football but they also do in hurling.Clare in the 90s, Antrim in the late 80s, Wexford in 96, Limerick in 2007 for exammple

Hurling is a skillful game but so is football and indeed many other sports.for all that I love hurling and it is my favourite sport but it is just a game like any other.Sean Og didnt play it till he was around 13 or 14 and he turned out to be a fairly decent hurler.

The reason teams like Kilkenny and Tyrone have won at senior is because they have undertaken the hard work at underage and others have fallen behind.ill admit you might fluke an all ireland once every so often but the cream always rises to the top.

As for this debate I would prefer watching kilkenny.They were unmatchable in their prime but I will say this.Kerry used a lot less players during the golden years of 78-87(25-26) to Kilkennys 2000-10? (40-41).For kerry to win what they did was phenomenal

Seen as how they both missed the 5-in-a-row ill call it a draw.Hows that.

The_Kew_Tour

Both great teams

Both had some best players in both codes

Both were outstanding like teams from different planet.

Like last poster draw is fair result.

We could argue all day even all week about this

blackbelt

Stinicker wrote: »

Kerry won 5 all-Irelands in the last decade and they had to fight harder for those five than Kilkenny had to for their 7 titles. The Ulster and Munster Championships are extremely competitive, the Leinster Hurling Championship is a joke by comparison.

I don't understand your logic that Leinster Hurling is a joke in comparison.Kilkenny in my mind are still the team to beat even if Tipperary won it this year.Chances are if you beat Kilkenny,you win the All Ireland.

I think generally that Kilkenny are still the best,maybe not this year but in an overall general sense.Elsewhere in Leinster after Kilkenny,you still have a competitive competition with Wexford,Offaly,Dublin,Galway and then teams that are improving at a fast rate like Laois and Carlow.

Ulster SFC is dominated by Tyrone and Armagh over the years.Occasionally Monaghan get to the final while Down and Derry usually provide good,tough matches.I think Down will be winning an Ulster Championship in the next 2 years.In Munster,it is only now that it can be seen as semi-competitive.Cork and Kerry are the big two but Limerick are taking strides to make it a 3 horse race and I feel in a few more years Tipperary may get to a final.

Leinster football may be considered weak by some but I would rate it over Connaught any day of the week and I think as a province,it is leapfrogging Ulster.Dublin won Leinster 5 times in a row but it still remained competitive with Meath,Laois and Kildare pushing the Dubs in tight games in the period.

flas

homerjay2005 wrote: »

errm what???:eek::eek::eek::eek:

to quote Pat Spillanes book.

"we didnt care about the leagues. In fact, i dont even know how many we won or even where my medals are"

madness, league matters nothing. ask waterford and mayo followers over the last 10 years what the league means.

i can never understand this attitude of its championship that shows who is the best team and not the league! in all fairness the best team in the country should not be choosen over a knock out competition but from a league basis where the best team has to win consistantly over a period of time and show week in and week out that they are in fact the best team!

overmantle

Cavehill Red wrote: »

Liverpool FC, 1977-1988.
Played and beat every other team on the continent repeatedly in a global code, not just a handful of teams from one small island in minority sports.

This is nothing to do with professional, very highly paid, full-time soccer players.

The current Kilkenny have the same record as the Cork team who also achieved a four in a row. The only thing is that I suspect that the resources, training facilities and supports available to the current Kilkenny team are far better than those that were available to the Cork team when they achieved their 4 in a row.

That's not to take from the Kilkenny team's achievements. To answer the original question, I would have to say the Kerry team would be my choice of Kilkenny or Kerry but that's not to say that Kerry would be my choice for the best team of all time.

overmantle

flas wrote: »

i can never understand this attitude of its championship that shows who is the best team and not the league! in all fairness the best team in the country should not be choosen over a knock out competition but from a league basis where the best team has to win consistantly over a period of time and show week in and week out that they are in fact the best team!

I agree. There are teams who just time their run to peak at just the right time and in my book, that just doesn't amount to a great team if they peak only in August and September.