Are people (usually under 40) with a Dublin 1 accent looked down upon automatically?

Chaotic_Forces

This is something I've always wondered. I don't mean the typical skanger type of talking. I just mean how we (I'm from the inner city) say certain words and phrases. I mean in most areas here the Gardaí automatically assume you're up to no good, which is fine. There are usually a lot of problems here. But even if you're respectful to them if just one other person in the group is cheeky then all of the group is automatically given pretty bad treatment.
That just applies to what I've seen.
It's not a go at the guards at all, like I said I can understand why they're like that and I don't blame them.

Does this extend to other groups/people though? I mean what if you're working in a shop like Spar or Centra and you see three fellas about 20 walk in and hear "ah they better have the milk cause i'm afta goin' to tree differen' shops like"? Would you automatically be more suspicious than if 3 fellas enter and one says "I hope they have milk, this is about the 5th shop I tried".

Even if both people are dressed in tracksuit bottoms and white runners or if people are dressed in jeans and a shirt with nice shoes, it seems to be the accent and manner of speaking.

So, any opinions?

Rowley Birkin QC

Yes I would be more suspicious. Not that they were going to rob me but that I might have inadvertently stumbled into a casting for Fair City extras.

Deus Ex Machina

I don't think it's just the accent, it's the fact that they are invariably hurling petrol bombs, flick knives, tainted syringes or pittbull terriers at the nearest living entity whenever one happens across them.

triseke

i try not to judge anyone on what they look/sound/dress/ etc like. I know a lot of people do though, and i think its horrible.

I hate how people assume that just because someone is from a "bad" area means they are a bad person. Ive spent time in most of the "bad" areas in Dublin and ive met some of the most lovely, warm, kind people that ive ever met in them.

f***ing boils my blood.

Chaotic_Forces

Deus Ex Machina wrote: »

I don't think it's just the accent, the fact that they are invariably hurling petrol bombs, flick knives, tainted syringes or pittbull terriers at the nearest living entity whenever one happens across them.

Yes BUT! Who's the same they aren't fine, decent people?

Chaotic_Forces

triseke wrote: »

i try not to judge anyone on what they look/sound/dress/ etc like. I know a lot of people do though, and i think its horrible.

I hate how people assume that just because someone is from a "bad" area means they are a bad person. Ive spent time in most of the "bad" areas in Dublin and ive met some of the most lovely, warm, kind people that ive ever met in them.

f***ing boils my blood.

This is what I mean. I've always tried being someone useful to society, I never really hung our with bad people or at least not when they were drinking on the canal or something. It's annoying that you have to try harder than average to be not looked down upon and it fails.

stovelid

What's a Dublin 1 accent? Like half a Dublin 2?

RobbieTheRobber

stovelid wrote: »

What's a Dublin 1 accent? Like half a Dublin 2?

Or only one quarter as horrible as a dublin four accent!

Sykk

You'd need to lose the ear rings, the 1 on the sides and back shaved haircut, speak normally and behave in a mannerly fashion before you can begin to change people's opinions of you.

It's quite like the balooba's of the Amazon rain forest, you see one running towards you shouting "ADOOBOOBOABU". Your judgement of the gent is that he isn't very friendly by the banana hamok and the spear.

You have something in common, dress code, the way you speak in a language foreign to that of the English speaking people, there's always the possibility of hostility though the color'd gent may not be as subtle.

Also he may not make as much noise.

kfallon

I live in Dublin 1, under 40....but I don't have the accent, people still look down at me tho

kingtut

I would just think to myself "Is it really that difficult to speak English?!"

kingtut

kfallon wrote: »

I live in Dublin 1, under 40....but I don't have the accent, people still look down at me tho

Wearing heels will fix that problem...

Chaotic_Forces

Sykk wrote: »

You'd need to lose the ear rings, the 1 on the sides and back shaved haircut, speak normally and behave in a mannerly fashion before you can begin to change people's opinions of you.

It's quite like the balooba's of the Amazon rain forest, you see one running towards you shouting "ADOOBOOBOABU". Your judgement of the gent is that he isn't very friendly by the banana hamok and the spear.

You have something in common, dress code, the way you speak in a language foreign to that of the English speaking people, there's always the possibility of hostility though the color'd gent may not be as subtle.

Also he may not make as much noise.

The only thing I do on that list is the way I speak. I don't see why the Hell I should have to change my accent, people from other countries dont have to, people from other counties don't have to, people from other AREA CODES don't have to.

That's the problem I think, people think "Dublin 1 accent = DEAR GOD THEY'LL KILL US".

RobbieTheRobber

kfallon wrote: »

I live in Dublin 1, under 40....but I don't have the accent, people still look down at me tho

Are you a dwarf?

That would then sort of explain why people look down on you.

Chaotic_Forces

kfallon wrote: »

I live in Dublin 1, under 40....but I don't have the accent, people still look down at me tho

How would say things like "the, there, this"? If it's with a "d" sound, that's why. It's not just the accent, it's the manner of how you pronounce certain words.

Rabble Rabble

Chaotic_Forces wrote: »

How would say things like "the, there, this"? If it's with a "d" sound, that's why. It's not just the accent, it's the manner of how you pronounce certain words.

Most of the country does that.


Let me say dis about dat.

kfallon

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

Are you a dwarf?

That would then sort of explain why people look down on you.

No the people who look down on me are those in Dublin 1 with the accent, when they hear me speak differently to them I get called a 'freak'

Sanjuro

It's easier to just look down on absolutely everyone and let those people that become your friends rise to your level of awesomeness.

biko

I don't see how this concerns the nation.
AH -> Dublin city.

Terry

biko wrote: »

I don't see how this concerns the nation.
AH -> Dublin city.

As a native of Kildare, I'm concerned that quite a lot of locals under the age of 20 seem to have this accent.

I'd like to know where the accent shop is. It needs to be closed.

jimmycrackcorm

Are people (usually under 40) with a Dublin 1 accent looked down upon automatically?

Well it does really depend on whether you are taller than them or you are able to pull them down to the ground after they've robbed you.

admiralofthefleet

kfallon wrote: »

I live in Dublin 1, under 40....but I don't have the accent, people still look down at me tho

thats cause your a four foot nothing jockey

snappieT

Regardless of accent, if you're wearing (non-rugby) tracksuit bottoms as casual wear, I become wary. Also, it's what you're saying, not how you say it - you mentioned that people from other countries don't have to change their accent, but they don't say "f*ck" in every sentence, or refer to their "burd".

Chaotic_Forces

snappieT wrote: »

Regardless of accent, if you're wearing (non-rugby) tracksuit bottoms as casual wear, I become wary. Also, it's what you're saying, not how you say it - you mentioned that people from other countries don't have to change their accent, but they don't say "f*ck" in every sentence, or refer to their "burd".

True but if I'm wearing trousers and even without using the slang, the moment someone hears me say something likr "ah I'll get a pint of d barman in a minute" it's like I just threatened to knife them.

cosmic

Chaotic_Forces wrote: »

True but if I'm wearing trousers and even without using the slang, the moment someone hears me say something likr "ah I'll get a pint of d barman in a minute" it's like I just threatened to knife them.

Paranoid much?

stimpson

Chaotic_Forces wrote: »

it's the manner of how you pronounce certain words.

The manner in which you pronounce certain words.

Ya bleedin' muppet.

Chaotic_Forces

stimpson wrote: »

The manner in which you pronounce certain words.

Ya bleedin' muppet.

Sorry about that.

But why should people from the inner city only have to change that about themselves? No other county/country has to do that.

stimpson

If people can't see past my accent that's there problem. never let it get to me to be honest.

Chaotic_Forces

stimpson wrote: »

If people can't see past my accent that's there problem. never let it get to me to be honest.

But does it not bother you when people assume you're some kind of... inferior being? I don't mean working class to upper class. I'm talking about in reality.

It never really bothered me but lately I've wondered, even if I'm nice to cops/shop keepers/whomever and my friend is a bit rude or cheeky, I'M being classed as a scumbag too.

snappieT

Chaotic_Forces wrote: »

It never really bothered me but lately I've wondered, even if I'm nice to cops/shop keepers/whomever and my friend is a bit rude or cheeky, I'M being classed as a scumbag too.

So tell your friend to cop on, or get a new one. Someone who tolerates that behaviour is as much of a problem as the person exhibiting it. "You are the company you keep", etc.

Chaotic_Forces

snappieT wrote: »

So tell your friend to cop on, or get a new one. Someone who tolerates that behaviour is as much of a problem as the person exhibiting it. "You are the company you keep", etc.

I see the point but it's a bit annoying to have a garda assume you're going to try to take a swing at him when your friend refuses to leave his garden to talk to them.

It honestly isn't about the gardaí, I just tend to find it happens mostly with them.

snappieT

Chaotic_Forces wrote: »

I see the point but it's a bit annoying to have a garda assume you're going to try to take a swing at him when your friend refuses to leave his garden to talk to them.

It honestly isn't about the gardaí, I just tend to find it happens mostly with them.

I understand where you're coming from, and it is unfair, but that's life. Garda sees two guys, one is a bit belligerent, that's the only contact he has with both of you. Of course he assumes camaraderie, and that you'll stick up for your friend if a problem comes up.

I hate getting kicked out of clubs because I was trying to stabalise my drunk friend, but it's the same thing.

Chaotic_Forces

snappieT wrote: »

I understand where you're coming from, and it is unfair, but that's life. Garda sees two guys, one is a bit belligerent, that's the only contact he has with both of you. Of course he assumes camaraderie, and that you'll stick up for your friend if a problem comes up.

I hate getting kicked out of clubs because I was trying to stabalise my drunk friend, but it's the same thing.

I've had a problem or two with bouncers before over the same thing. But in the last two years or so I've just learned not to jump right in and go outside with said friend and then talk camly to the bouncers.

Bouncers are usually classed as simple minded brutes but they can be talked to too. I don't understand though how people just assume you're scum because of how you are. Though I myself automatically think scum when I see a bunch of 13/14 year-olds drinking on the street a night, so I suppose it's karma or something.

Lux23

snappieT wrote: »

Regardless of accent, if you're wearing (non-rugby) tracksuit bottoms as casual wear, I become wary. Also, it's what you're saying, not how you say it - you mentioned that people from other countries don't have to change their accent, but they don't say "f*ck" in every sentence, or refer to their "burd".

Oh but you don't have to be from the north inner city to do any of these things. The way I see it you get scumbags from all walks of life and it always a mistake to judge someone by what they wear and how they speak. I know I have done this in the past and it made me look a fool.

Piste

A lot of what you describe isn't exclusive to your particular post code. In any situation if there's a group and one is acting up and the others are doing nothing about it, people will assume the rest of the group is the same as the one acting up.

Wade in the Sea

No. An Inner city accent isn't the problem. But combine it with standing outside the Ilac Centre in a tracksuit using Fcuk to replace every adjective and anyone is going to assume you are trouble. There are lads from the inner city in the trades. They go to upmarket areas in a set of overalls and a box of tools and no one thinks, I am not letting this lad in to my house cause he said me instead of my and therefore is going to rob the silver.

You don't have to change to be accepted by other people, but the more neutral you appear and sound the more "open" people will be open to you. If your demeanor is friendly when you speak you can talk to anyone.

It's worth bearing one thing in mind re accents. If you wanted to speak Spanish, for example, you would not be understood properly if you did so with a stong Dublin accent. The same logic applies when you are speaking to someone not from your area, county, country etc.

Jay D

Chaotic_Forces wrote: »

This is something I've always wondered. I don't mean the typical skanger type of talking. I just mean how we (I'm from the inner city) say certain words and phrases. I mean in most areas here the Gardaí automatically assume you're up to no good, which is fine. There are usually a lot of problems here. But even if you're respectful to them if just one other person in the group is cheeky then all of the group is automatically given pretty bad treatment.
That just applies to what I've seen.
It's not a go at the guards at all, like I said I can understand why they're like that and I don't blame them.

Does this extend to other groups/people though? I mean what if you're working in a shop like Spar or Centra and you see three fellas about 20 walk in and hear "ah they better have the milk cause i'm afta goin' to tree differen' shops like"? Would you automatically be more suspicious than if 3 fellas enter and one says "I hope they have milk, this is about the 5th shop I tried".

Even if both people are dressed in tracksuit bottoms and white runners or if people are dressed in jeans and a shirt with nice shoes, it seems to be the accent and manner of speaking.

So, any opinions?

I suppose it's the snobby cowardly opinions of a lot of people that do discriminate. To judge someone on their accent is idiotic, to say the least.

And it is the accent we're talking about here, not the added words people of any accent may put in, to make themselves sound cool, but in the process being stupid.

admiralofthefleet

its not exclusive to Dublin 1, the accent can be heard in every single postcode in the city and county

CorkMan

I saw me Ma and me Da de other day. Me Ma asked me ta get some benson & hedges. I went into de shop and it was fulla snobs, so I left foir gear street with me syringe.

stimpson

CorkMan wrote: »

I saw me Ma and me Da de other day. Me Ma asked me ta get some benson & hedges. I went into de shop and it was fulla snobs, so I left foir gear street with me syringe.

That wasn't yer da. Yer da's the milkman. Yer oul wan told me last night when I was horsin' it into 'er.

Esel

Yizzer both lying fux. Yer da is yer oul fella, an' yer ma is yer oul wan. Stop tryin' to be posh. Cork is a cure for de shits; Cork Man likes it up de jaxie.

Fuinseog

Chaotic_Forces wrote: »

This is something I've always wondered. I don't mean the typical skanger type of talking. I just mean how we (I'm from the inner city) say certain words and phrases. I mean in most areas here the Gardaí automatically assume you're up to no good, which is fine. There are usually a lot of problems here. But even if you're respectful to them if just one other person in the group is cheeky then all of the group is automatically given pretty bad treatment.
That just applies to what I've seen.
It's not a go at the guards at all, like I said I can understand why they're like that and I don't blame them.

Does this extend to other groups/people though? I mean what if you're working in a shop like Spar or Centra and you see three fellas about 20 walk in and hear "ah they better have the milk cause i'm afta goin' to tree differen' shops like"? Would you automatically be more suspicious than if 3 fellas enter and one says "I hope they have milk, this is about the 5th shop I tried".

Even if both people are dressed in tracksuit bottoms and white runners or if people are dressed in jeans and a shirt with nice shoes, it seems to be the accent and manner of speaking.

So, any opinions?

the guards suspect young people in general.
i am not from dublin, but living on the northside. i would have more time for the D1 accent than D4 one. the latter are so far up their own holes its no longer funny.

Fuinseog

Rowley Birkin QC wrote: »

Yes I would be more suspicious. Not that they were going to rob me but that I might have inadvertently stumbled into a casting for Fair City extras.

fair city is full of south siders pretending to be nothsiders. it just does not work

Fuinseog

triseke wrote: »

i try not to judge anyone on what they look/sound/dress/ etc like. I know a lot of people do though, and i think its horrible.

I hate how people assume that just because someone is from a "bad" area means they are a bad person. Ive spent time in most of the "bad" areas in Dublin and ive met some of the most lovely, warm, kind people that ive ever met in them.

f***ing boils my blood.

D1 people are very warm, especially when you get to know them. i do however find teeangers there can be very angry.

Fuinseog

Sykk wrote: »

You'd need to lose the ear rings, the 1 on the sides and back shaved haircut, speak normally and behave in a mannerly fashion before you can begin to change people's opinions of you.

It's quite like the balooba's of the Amazon rain forest, you see one running towards you shouting "ADOOBOOBOABU". Your judgement of the gent is that he isn't very friendly by the banana hamok and the spear.

You have something in common, dress code, the way you speak in a language foreign to that of the English speaking people, there's always the possibility of hostility though the color'd gent may not be as subtle.

Also he may not make as much noise.

baloobas are african not south american.
south siders are equally vocal, actually more so.
southsiders also speak in a way foreign to most Irish people