Pioneer's New Catalogue - Help

ironclaw

Hi Folks,

I've been toying with the idea of a serious investment in Pioneer kit for a number of years. Its was a pretty stagnant catalogue for a few years with the 800 and 1000 series. With them now defunct, its been replaced by the 2000, 900, 850 and the 350.

All of them look really good but from an investment point of view, what is the best value? I know the 2000 is the top level model, but besides from build quality and design, how much of an edge does it have on the 350? The 350 looks really good I have to say.

Any sound advice from people with hands on?

electrogrimey

In what way are the 800/1000s defunkt? I personally love the 800s. Out of the 1000/800/400s they're my favourite. Haven't used any of the new gear though...Seem a bit like a waste of money to me, if you want that functionality just get Traktor Scratch for way cheaper.

jtsuited

electrogrimey wrote: »

In what way are the 800/1000s defunkt?

As in they're discontinued.

ironclaw

jtsuited wrote: »

As in they're discontinued.

Apologises, yes I meant discontinued. Personally I was thinking the 850 or the 900. The 2000 would be overkill but seeing as I'm spending in the money it's about €1000 more for two.

electrogrimey

jtsuited wrote: »

As in they're discontinued.

Oh right, they're still easily attainable able though, and to be honest the 850 does nothing 800 with Traktor Scratch doesn't do, and the former does more for cheaper.

seannash

investment?

eh i guess the answer is get what you can afford.if your not sure about djing as a hobby dont buy the most exensive equipment out there.

if your convinced djing is something you enjoy as a hobby then resale value shoudlnt be a factor in buying equiment that will last you as long as you want

ironclaw

seannash wrote: »

investment?

eh i guess the answer is get what you can afford.if your not sure about djing as a hobby dont buy the most exensive equipment out there.

if your convinced djing is something you enjoy as a hobby then resale value shoudlnt be a factor in buying equiment that will last you as long as you want

Thats good advice. Resale value isn't a factor for me. I've been Djing for about 5 years and I've always wanted a set of Pioneers. They have always illuded me, mainly for financial reasons. I've tried digital but I still prefer CDJ's.

So now that I may have a chance to get them, I'm trying to think what the best set would be. Currently its between the 850 and the 900, there is about €400 in the difference, so call it a grand when I buy the set.

hans aus dtschl

ironclaw wrote: »

I've tried digital but I still prefer CDJ's.

?
Electrogrimey made a point: there's little the cdj800+traktor can't do. Are you saying you don't like computer interfaces?

Personally, I just avoid all things pioneer.

seannash

if you can comfortably afford it then go for it.

i personally dont get turned on by rekord box,but i do like the usb function of the new pioneers.

if you dont mind burning cds you could get a pair of mk3's and i reckon youd have a great setup.

but i think the 900's would be the best bet.i think it has the best features of the 2000's for less money.

you could also get 2 mk3's and something like traktor and play with the control cds,so you wouldnt have to mess with burning cds.

if it were me id get the 900's.seems the simplest way.if you dont have a mixer yet you could save some money by not getting an expensiver one

seannash

hans aus dtschl wrote: »

Personally, I just avoid all things pioneer.

is it just a price thing because i doint think ive come across anyone who doesnt enjoy using there cd decks

noelo

electrogrimey wrote: »

In what way are the 800/1000s defunkt? I personally love the 800s. Out of the 1000/800/400s they're my favourite. Haven't used any of the new gear though...Seem a bit like a waste of money to me, if you want that functionality just get Traktor Scratch for way cheaper.

Well I have to say Grimey,They are defunkt............. sure there gone out with the indians, they were always second best. I never took anyone serious with that type of kit. and regarding Trakor your right it is good software but I find control with the new cdj2000 and djm 2000 set up its 10 times better,plus it integrates into record box perfect. Never before has mix vibes, pioneer and native got on better!

noelo

ironclaw wrote: »

Hi Folks,

I've been toying with the idea of a serious investment in Pioneer kit for a number of years. Its was a pretty stagnant catalogue for a few years with the 800 and 1000 series. With them now defunct, its been replaced by the 2000, 900, 850 and the 350.

All of them look really good but from an investment point of view, what is the best value? I know the 2000 is the top level model, but besides from build quality and design, how much of an edge does it have on the 350? The 350 looks really good I have to say.

Any sound advice from people with hands on?

I say go with it, A nice new shiney set of 2000's. I got rid of the old set up ( mk3's )and got all pioneers new gear, and well a have to say I am speechless. There set up to control every software package one the market. And with the new mix vibes rekordbox software control of native software is a sinch........bite the bullet you wont be disappointed .the amount of new features will blow you and your listeners away, Its another level dude.

noelo

seannash wrote: »

is it just a price thing because i doint think ive come across anyone who doesnt enjoy using there cd decks

I have to second that i ve never looked back,I love the hands on approach.mind you I ve been neglecting my technics, there under the bed since 2003 :eek:

noelo

jtsuited wrote: »

As in they're discontinued.

That was like a little stab in the side! Ehheehhe cracker.:pac:

ironclaw

Thanks for the input guys. Money isn't an object on these. I see it as an investment, a final buy that will hopefully last me til I get more sense :pac:

I don't like PC interfaces. They just arn't for me. A PC / Mac is a multi use platform. A CDJ is for one thing, playing music.

All told, I think I'm looking at a set of 900's and a DJM2000.On Thomann it's about €4500 which isn't too bad for the sheer quality. And as mentioned it would give me the ability to use any PC interface on the planet (or close to it! )

seannash

ironclaw wrote: »

Thanks for the input guys. Money isn't an object on these. I see it as an investment, a final buy that will hopefully last me til I get more sense :pac:

I don't like PC interfaces. They just arn't for me. A PC / Mac is a multi use platform. A CDJ is for one thing, playing music.

All told, I think I'm looking at a set of 900's and a DJM2000.On Thomann it's about €4500 which isn't too bad for the sheer quality. And as mentioned it would give me the ability to use any PC interface on the planet (or close to it! )

good choice with the 900's but the djm2000 i wouldnt be so keen on.its alot of bells and whistles.
i definitely think there are cheaper mixers out there that will work too.

electrogrimey

seannash wrote: »

good choice with the 900's but the djm2000 i wouldnt be so keen on.its alot of bells and whistles.
i definitely think there are cheaper mixers out there that will work too.

I'm choose an A&H Heath mixer if you're going for top of the range stuff.

hans aus dtschl

Think this thread's a wind-up again. Refuse to believe noelo is serious. We've been here before.

Just said I'd pop in to reply to sean: I think the pioneer cdj1000's are probably the best cd players I've used, but overall they're just not for me (cd's). As for mixers, I've had so many heartbreaks with djm 500/600. Poor build quality and poor sound. I A/B'd a djm 800 versus my old mixer (ecler smac pro 30) on my system in a club last week and the difference was phenomenal. The bar staff were asking if the hiss "was normal" when I plugged in the DJM. The ecler cost €350 (and has been gigged hard now), the pioneer >€1000 (barely out of the box) so you can see why I'd be reluctant to shell out.
For what it's worth, I reckon the cdj's are great quality kit, but could never justify the price, as they never "clicked" for me. Serious fears of never being able to get them repaired too, unfortunately.

It's just my own opinion there, and I've plenty friends who absolutely love the pioneer kit. Just not for me.

hans aus dtschl

electrogrimey wrote: »

I'm choose an A&H Heath mixer if you're going for top of the range stuff.

Put a xone92 through a urei1620 or djr400....phenomenal....

noelo

ironclaw wrote: »

Thanks for the input guys. Money isn't an object on these. I see it as an investment, a final buy that will hopefully last me til I get more sense :pac:

I don't like PC interfaces. They just arn't for me. A PC / Mac is a multi use platform. A CDJ is for one thing, playing music.

All told, I think I'm looking at a set of 900's and a DJM2000.On Thomann it's about €4500 which isn't too bad for the sheer quality. And as mentioned it would give me the ability to use any PC interface on the planet (or close to it! )

I got one 900 just to see,like your self. but i found the screen size was like a mobile. plus lacked on features,never the less i kept it and got 2 2000's. I found aquarius cheaper than t.m.........if you know someone with a vat number get them from AV imports on the naas road vat free, there the importers for the rep of Ireland, owners, frank kean BMW.Mind you I got mine in the states,forget what price was but it was cheaper than europe. scout around.

electrogrimey

hans aus dtschl wrote: »

Put a xone92 through a urei1620 or djr400....phenomenal....

I know the Ureis are supposed to have great sound, but they're just not as DJ friendly as the Xones, I'd choose A&H over Urei for DJing, not for sound, anyday.

What CDJs do you like if you don't like Pioneer? I don't think anyone can match Pioneer when it comes to CDs...

seannash

noelo wrote: »

plus lacked on features

like?

i reckon the 900's have everything that is necessary as well as feature that you actually cant get on the 2000 like auto loop and loop cutter and slip mode if your a scratch dj.

but as ironclaw has stated money isnt an object(wish i had your problems:D) so best to go for the 2000's at the end of it all.

as for mixer its a personal choice but im not convinced about the 2000.there are better mixers out there

hans aus dtschl

electrogrimey wrote: »

I know the Ureis are supposed to have great sound, but they're just not as DJ friendly as the Xones, I'd choose A&H over Urei for DJing, not for sound, anyday.

What CDJs do you like if you don't like Pioneer? I don't think anyone can match Pioneer when it comes to CDs...

Sorry fella think you took me up wrong there: I reckon pioneer have the best CDJ's you're going to get, but I don't use CD's so I'm out of the market for them entirely. For what it's worth, I've used numark, technics and denon top-end cd decks, and the pioneer are a far superior machine as far as I'm concerned. But again, I don't use CD's so I can just avoid all pioneer stuff in one easy swipe haha.

As for the urei, thats why I said put the A&H through the urei: urei sound with A&H features! The standard Urei is unique to use, I'll agree. Certainly wouldn't work well for me on its own.