School evacuated after boy picks up pipe bomb

Wolfe Tone

An eight-year-old boy risked serious injury when he picked up a viable explosive device in a school playground in Antrim.

Brendan Shannon, 8, from St Comgall's Primary School in Antrim lifted what police confirmed was a viable device and brought it into the classroom.

More details here from BBC
Could have been an absolute tragedy.

Another bomb has been found this morning at a school in Antrim. Considering this is a catholic school it is highly unlikely that it was a dissident republican attack. I would go as far as saying that it in no way was.
Much more likely that it was an attempted loyalist sectarian attack on innocent schoolchildren. Their MO.

Will this be the start of a series of tit for tat attacks?


Looking likely that this crowd carried it out considering their actions in the area...
Real UFF wiki

This is some of their recent actions:

24 July 2009; The Real UFF claimed responsibility for a pipe bomb attack on a house in Brantwood Gardens, Antrim. Five people narrowly escaped injury when the device exploded in the front garden. The house was owned by a Catholic family and was in a mixed Catholic-Protestant area.[2][3][4]
25 September 2009; The Real UFF claimed responsibility for leaving a small bomb outside a house in the Fountain Lane area of Antrim. It failed to explode.[5][6]
15 January 2010; The Real UFF claimed responsibility for planting two explosive devices near a community centre in Antrim that was being used by members of the Gaelic Athletic Association. Police described the devices as "crude but non-viable".[7]
February 2010; The Real UFF made a death threat against the Sinn Féin MLA for North Belfast, Gerry Kelly.[8]
13 March 2010; The Real UFF claimed responsibility for a gun attack on a house in Antrim. A shot was fired through a window, No one was injuried in the attack. [9]
11 August 2010: The Real UFF claimed responsibility for leaving a pipe bomb on the windowsill of a house on Fir Grove Lane, Antrim. It failed to explode. The house was owned by a Catholic family.[10][11]
12 August 2010: It's believed the Real UFF were responsible for planting two viable pipe-bombs ouside separate houses in Antrim. One of the devices partially exploded causing damage to a front of a house, both devices were defused later by the British Army.

Nijmegen

Catholic, Protestant, Republican, Loyalist, they're all a pack of muppets.

I mean, an 8 year old boy, what the **** has he done to deserve a pipe bomb attack? By the time he was born the peace agreement in Ireland was 4 years old! Imagine that.

Wolfe Tone

Nijmegen wrote: »

Catholic, Protestant, Republican, Loyalist, they're all a pack of muppets.

I mean, an 8 year old boy, what the **** has he done to deserve a pipe bomb attack? By the time he was born the peace agreement in Ireland was 4 years old! Imagine that.

What a nice contribution

Nothing, thats what.

Ren2k7

I'm beginning to think the Troubles may be making an unwelcome return to the streets of Northern Ireland.

Let's hope the thugs for this potential atrocity are found and brought to justice, whoever they may be.

Overheal

Im sure Jesus is proud. Sick Fcuks.

Denerick

If it was a unionist attack, then it is to be expected. Dissident Republicans would love nothing better than to see a catholic school blow up with 40 dead kids and with the UVF responsible. They want to see the troubles, in all of its insanity, back on the streets because they are fascist scum and refuse to engage in the democratic process.

I begin to question whether the people who planted a bomb in a school are capable of any kind of thought. I mean are they sentient? Do they actually qualify as human beings?

Wolfe Tone

Denerick wrote: »

If it was a unionist attack, then it is to be expected. Dissident Republicans would love nothing better than to see a catholic school blow up with 40 dead kids and with the UVF responsible. They want to see the troubles, in all of its insanity, back on the streets because they are fascist scum and refuse to engage in the democratic process.

How nice Denerick. Don't condemn those most likely to have carried out the attack. Nothing to say about the RUFF?
Thats rubbish, no republican would like to see that.

Denerick

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

How nice Denerick. Don't condemn those most likely to have carried out the attack.
Thats rubbish, no republican would like to see that.

I said dissident Republicans, not Republicans at large. The fact is that dissidents would love nothing better than such an awful tragedy in order to 'justify' such retaliatory attacks against the Unionist community and bring the Troubles back in all its horror.

You cannot deny that dissident Republicans would love to see a Catholic school blown up with scores of dead children.

Obviously the UVF are scum, my second paragraph deals with that. But this is the natural result of dissident provocation. They are getting what they want, one way or the other.

Nijmegen

I agree with what Denerick is trying to say: The dissidents on both sides want an excuse to have a lash.

Wolfe Tone

Denerick wrote: »

I said dissident Republicans, not Republicans at large. The fact is that dissidents would love nothing better than such an awful tragedy in order to 'justify' such retaliatory attacks against the Unionist community and bring the Troubles back in all its horror.

Not at all. In no way would they want that.They don't want sectarian violence at all. Sure even the PIRA didn't.

You cannot deny that dissident Republicans would love to see a Catholic school blown up with scores of dead children.

I can and will.

Obviously the UVF are scum, my second paragraph deals with that. But this is the natural result of dissident provocation. They are getting what they want, one way or the other.

Its not the UVF. Its the Real UFF(dissident loyalists?) Natural result? Not going to take the line that they should have rose above it no? You saying that seen as it is "natural" it is justified?

OhNoYouDidn't

The UFF never went away, they have been at it routinely. Thankfully they are useless without their British handlers

As for Denerik, there is something quite sick about that level of cynical point scoring. The loyalists attacked a school, leave republicans out of it

OhNoYouDidn't

Nijmegen wrote: »

I agree with what Denerick is trying to say: The dissidents on both sides want an excuse to have a lash.

Nothing dissident about the UFF

Wolfe Tone

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

The UFF never went away, they have been at it routinely. Thankfully they are useless without their British handlers

As for Denerik, there is something quite sick about that level of cynical point scoring. The loyalists attacked a school, leave republicans out of it

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Moriarty

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

As for Denerik, there is something quite sick about that level of cynical point scoring. The loyalists attacked a school, leave republicans out of it

The loyalist paramilitary groups act in a complete vacuum so? How about a list of dissident republican activity over the past year and half to refresh your memory - link.

The only people who ever protest about making these attrocities seperate incidents are the other side's paramilitary fantasists who want to treat it as a valid tit-for-tat event. The fingers get pointed and the We-Can't-Let-Them-Treat-Us-Like-This gets spouted, all so they can continue jerking off about playing [army man/oppressed idiot; pick as individually appropriate please]. Anyone else I've ever spoken with has always grouped all of these acts of violence by both sides under a single heading of Scum With Weapons Act Again.

Denerick

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

The UFF never went away, they have been at it routinely. Thankfully they are useless without their British handlers

As for Denerik, there is something quite sick about that level of cynical point scoring. The loyalists attacked a school, leave republicans out of it

You don't believe in cause and effect, no?

Anyway, I'll not bother ye in this thread again. But I sense a tragedy in the coming, and it won't be nice.

OhNoYouDidn't

Moriarty wrote: »

The loyalist paramilitary groups act in a complete vacuum so? How about a list of dissident republican activity over the past year and half to refresh your memory - link.

The only people who ever protest about making these attrocities seperate incidents are the other side's paramilitary fantasists who want to treat it as a valid tit-for-tat event. The fingers get pointed and the We-Can't-Let-Them-Treat-Us-Like-This gets spouted, all so they can continue jerking off about playing [army man/oppressed idiot; pick as individually appropriate please]. Anyone else I've ever spoken with has always grouped all of these acts of violence by both sides under a single heading of Scum With Weapons Act Again.

Loyalist paramilitary, or at least sections of it, never stopped. So, yes, it does exist in a vacuum. I am pointedly saying this is NOT tit for tat

They aren't targeting dissident republicans, they are targeting the local catholic population. You are veering very close to suggesting these schoolkids deserve it.

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Carlos_Ray

Little school children are now the preferred target of the unionist terrorists. Cowardly and sick.

OhNoYouDidn't

Denerick wrote: »

You don't believe in cause and effect, no?

Anyway, I'll not bother ye in this thread again. But I sense a tragedy in the coming, and it won't be nice.

So its the kids fault?

These guys never observed a ceasefire. Dissident activity or not, they would be trying to ethnically cleanse the local catholics. If you want to jump up and down about fascism, start with the only group in Ireland with actual fascist links who are pipe bombs.

Or is that not controversial enough for you?

Why not just condemn the attack without the intellectual vandalism?

mike65

Well done to the usual suspects...............on this retarded thread.

Denerick

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

So its the kids fault?

These guys never observed a ceasefire. Dissident activity or not, they would be trying to ethnically cleanse the local catholics. If you want to jump up and down about fascism, start with the only group in Ireland with actual fascist links who are pipe bombs.

Or is that not controversial enough for you?

What are you on about? That is ridiculous obfuscation. Clearly the unionists who undoubtedly commited this are scum, but its a reaction to dissident republican activity. Dissident Republicans want to see dead catholic children, and want to see unionists responsible for that. They know this kind of thing will trigger the troubles all over again.

And yet again, you refuse to debate the wider issue and oh-so-happily look over dissident activity and fascism.

Carlos_Ray

mike65 wrote: »

Well done to the usual suspects...............on this retarded thread.

Why is it a retarded thread? Its a discussion about a current and horrible news story.

Oh sorry I forgot, we're only allowed comment on terrorism in the north if its carried out by nationalists.

OhNoYouDidn't

Carlos_Ray wrote: »

Why is it a retarded thread? Its a discussion about a current and horrible news story.

Oh sorry I forgot, we're only allowed comment on terrorism in the north if its carried out by nationalists.

And if it isn't, its their fault.

This place is a twilight zone sometimes. Do people in the real world actually think like this?

Carlos_Ray

Denerick wrote: »

What are you on about? Dissident Republicans want to see dead catholic children, and want to see unionists responsible for that. They know this kind of thing will trigger the troubles all over again.

And yet again, you refuse to debate the wider issue and oh-so-happily look over dissident activity and fascism.

Seriously cop on. So when the republicans carry out terrorist attacks, its the republicans fault, and when the unionists carry out terrorists attacks its.... still the republicans fault....

Total hypocrite....:rolleyes:

Denerick

Carlos_Ray wrote: »

Seriously cop on. So when the republicans carry out terrorist attacks, its the republicans fault, and when the unionists carry out terrorists attacks its.... still the republicans fault....

Total hypocrite....:rolleyes:

Anyone who wants to kickstart the Troubles are both equally deluded. The heavyweights on the Unionist and Republican dissident side merge into one another. Its hard to tell the difference really.

Just one giant blob of scum.

And their numerous internet apologists.

mike65

Carlos_Ray wrote: »

Why is it a retarded thread? Its a discussion about a current and horrible news story.

Oh sorry I forgot, we're only allowed comment on terrorism in the north if its carried out by nationalists.

These threads are not about discussion they are warfare by proxy, both sides are well and truely dug in and not an inch will be yeilded.

Denerick

mike65 wrote: »

These threads are not about discussion they are warfare by proxy, both sides are well and truely dug in and not an inch will be yeilded.

I'd agree with that. I'll never yield from my position of peace and condeming anyone that wants to engage in political violence in Northern Ireland. I suppose you could say that I'm a fundamentalist.

OhNoYouDidn't

Denerick wrote: »

I'd agree with that. I'll never yield from my position of peace and condeming anyone that wants to engage in political violence in Northern Ireland. I suppose you could say that I'm a fundamentalist.

So condemn this attack and those who carried it out....

Carlos_Ray

mike65 wrote: »

These threads are not about discussion they are warfare by proxy, both sides are well and truely dug in and not an inch will be yeilded.

So should we just ignore the story? Pretend it never happened? Bury our heads in the sand so to speak?

OhNoYouDidn't

Denerick wrote: »

Anyone who wants to kickstart the Troubles are both equally deluded. The heavyweights on the Unionist and Republican dissident side merge into one another. Its hard to tell the difference really.

Even by your standards that is pathetic

Denerick wrote: »

And their numerous internet apologists.

But you are the one apologising for loyalist terrorism on this thread.

I cannot believe that you believe half the crap you post

Denerick

Where have I apologised for loyalist terrorism?

Retract the statement or I'm calling the mods in.

I said very clearly that this was natural: 'Scum A' were always going to react to the actions of 'Scum B'. 'Scum B' would naturally be very pleased to have dead children as this would lead to a resurgence of violence across the province, destroying Good Friday and the delicate peace process.

In reality both sets of scum are indistinguishable. Both are rabid animals that barely deserve to call themselves human.

mike65

Carlos_Ray wrote: »

So should we just ignore the story? Pretend it never happened? Bury our heads in the sand so to speak?

Nope but as someone once said, won't someone think of the children?

Wolfe Tone

Denerick wrote: »

Where have I apologised for loyalist terrorism?

Retract the statement or I'm calling the mods in.

I said very clearly that this was natural: 'Scum A' were always going to react to the actions of 'Scum B'. 'Scum B' would naturally be very pleased to have dead children as this would lead to a resurgence of violence across the province, destroying Good Friday and the delicate peace process.

In reality both sets of scum are indistinguishable. Both are rabid animals that barely deserve to call themselves human.

It is absolute bollux to say that any republican wants to see any school kids dead at the hands of a loyalist attack. Just 100% pure rubbish.

Wolfe Tone

mike65 wrote: »

Nope but as someone once said, won't someone think of the children?

If you think it is such a "retarded thread" why post here? Are we only allowed discuss dissident attacks?

Carlos_Ray

Denerick wrote: »

Anyone who wants to kickstart the Troubles are both equally deluded. The heavyweights on the Unionist and Republican dissident side merge into one another. Its hard to tell the difference really.

Just one giant blob of scum.

And their numerous internet apologists.

But you sound like an "internet apologist" by introduing "whataboutery" into the discussion. Can't you see that?

We all know the history of the conflict, so we should be in a position to condemn each terrorist attack for what it is. In this case, it was a cowardly and dispicable terrorist attack by unionists dissidents. Republicans didn't have anything to do with this attack and when you mention them, you seem like you are trying to make excuses.

OhNoYouDidn't

Denerick wrote: »

Where have I apologised for loyalist terrorism?

Retract the statement or I'm calling the mods in.

I said very clearly that this was natural: 'Scum A' were always going to react to the actions of 'Scum B'. 'Scum B' would naturally be very pleased to have dead children as this would lead to a resurgence of violence across the province, destroying Good Friday and the delicate peace process.

In reality both sets of scum are indistinguishable. Both are rabid animals that barely deserve to call themselves human.

You just did it again. The attack has nothing to do with the dissident republicans. It has everything to do with the loyalists you refuse to condemn.

Denerick

Cause and effect dictates that dissident attacks would inevitably lead to a unionist response. I hope and pray no dissident truly wants to see dead schoolchildren, but the hopeless nature of their actions inspires such evil and criminal acts. As a result, they are directly responsible for the death of schoolchildren. This benefits them as it will outrage Ulster and kick off the troubles once again.

As I said, one way or the other, the dissident Republicans will have gotten what they wanted.

And I'm sorry. I don't have any faith that the average dissident gunman has a soul or a conscience. Not only would he be delighted if schoolchildren were killed by unionists, he'd be so delighted he'd throw a big bloody party over it.

Human nature, once unleashed, is a horrifying and terrifying spectacle. Mindless murder will breed mindless murder. Hence the dissidents would have a lot to of apologising to do if that bomb did in fact explode.

Denerick

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

You just did it again. The attack has nothing to do with the dissident republicans. It has everything to do with the loyalists you refuse to condemn.

I CONDEMN THE LOYALISTS. I did so in the first bloody post, when I questioned whether they were even sentient human beings.

I'm still waiting for you to apologise for your comments RE me being a unionist dissident apologist and a 'friend of NAMBLA' :rolleyes:

Retract the statement please.

Wolfe Tone

Denerick wrote: »

Cause and effect dictates that dissident attacks would inevitably lead to a unionist response. I hope and pray no dissident truly wants to see dead schoolchildren, but the hopeless nature of their actions inspires such evil and criminal acts. As a result, they are directly responsible for the death of schoolchildren. This benefits them as it will outrage Ulster and kick off the troubles once again.

As I said, one way or the other, the dissident Republicans will have gotten what they wanted.

And I'm sorry. I don't have any faith that the average dissident gunman has a soul or a conscience. Not only would he be delighted if schoolchildren were killed by unionists, he'd be so delighted he'd throw a big bloody party over it.

Human nature, once unleashed, is a horrifying and terrifying spectacle. Mindless murder will breed mindless murder. Hence the dissidents would have a lot to of apologising to do if that bomb did in fact explode.

Does that justify it? If you want to talk about "cause and effect" how far do you want to go back?

Wolfe Tone

Denerick wrote: »

I CONDEMN THE LOYALISTS. I did so in the first bloody post, when I questioned whether they were even sentient human beings.

I'm still waiting for you to apologise for your comments RE me being a unionist dissident apologist and a 'friend of NAMBLA' :rolleyes:

Retract the statement please.

You accused him of being mates with dissidents first.

Denerick

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

Does that justify it? If you want to talk about "cause and effect" how far do you want to go back?

Of course it isn't justified. Where the fúck are you getting the idea that I think that? Scum try to kill children. Scum are bad. All scum are scum, regardless of the 'intended targets'.

Denerick

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

You accused him of being mates with dissidents first.

Only because he damn well fúcking is.

Carlos_Ray

Denerick wrote: »

Cause and effect dictates that dissident attacks would inevitably lead to a unionist response. I hope and pray no dissident truly wants to see dead schoolchildren, but the hopeless nature of their actions inspires such evil and criminal acts. As a result, they are directly responsible for the death of schoolchildren. This benefits them as it will outrage Ulster and kick off the troubles once again.

As I said, one way or the other, the dissident Republicans will have gotten what they wanted.

And I'm sorry. I don't have any faith that the average dissident gunman has a soul or a conscience. Not only would he be delighted if schoolchildren were killed by unionists, he'd be so delighted he'd throw a big bloody party over it.

Human nature, once unleashed, is a horrifying and terrifying spectacle. Mindless murder will breed mindless murder. Hence the dissidents would have a lot to of apologising to do if that bomb did in fact explode.

Of course, if the bomb went off it was the nationalists fault.....:rolleyes: My god you are coming across like a seriously warped and deranged individual

OhNoYouDidn't

Denerick wrote: »

Cause and effect dictates that dissident attacks would inevitably lead to a unionist response. I hope and pray no dissident truly wants to see dead schoolchildren, but the hopeless nature of their actions inspires such evil and criminal acts. As a result, they are directly responsible for the death of schoolchildren. This benefits them as it will outrage Ulster and kick off the troubles once again.

As I said, one way or the other, the dissident Republicans will have gotten what they wanted.

And I'm sorry. I don't have any faith that the average dissident gunman has a soul or a conscience. Not only would he be delighted if schoolchildren were killed by unionists, he'd be so delighted he'd throw a big bloody party over it.

Human nature, once unleashed, is a horrifying and terrifying spectacle. Mindless murder will breed mindless murder. Hence the dissidents would have a lot to of apologising to do if that bomb did in fact explode.

Bull****. The UFF have been engaged in an armed campaign for 50 years. They pre date the dissidents, and in fact the Provos. Its so wrong to suggest that the attacks on local catholics are anything other than sectarian pogroms its difficult to know when to start.

If there were no dissidents, these attacks would still be happening.

The idea that Republicans would rejoice in dead children is also very strange and has no basis in reality or history.

Quite simply, you are a strange and disjointed poster.

OhNoYouDidn't

Denerick wrote: »

Only because he damn well fúcking is.

Find me one post where I did anything other than criticise them

Whereas you are here defending the UFF and obsessing over school children. I can back up my allegations, can you?

Denerick

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

Bull****. The UFF have been engaged in an armed campaign for 50 years. They pre date the dissidents, and in fact the Provos. Its so wrong to suggest that the attacks on local catholics are anything other than sectarian pogroms its difficult to know when to start.

If there were no dissidents, these attacks would still be happening.

The idea that Republicans would rejoice in dead children is also very strange and has no basis in reality or history.

Quite simply, you are a strange and disjointed poster.

Believe what you want to believe. I'm sick and tired of it at this stage. The north is a cesspit, no point in trying to explain why. It just is.

Wolfe Tone

Denerick wrote: »

Of course it isn't justified. Where the fúck are you getting the idea that I think that? Scum try to kill children. Scum are bad. All scum are scum, regardless of the 'intended targets'.

I started this thread, and I fully expected this to happen.

"Oh no, damn loyalists thats shocking.

Now thats out of the way, lets bash some dissidents, then after a bit we will suck some republicans into not fully condemning them or calling them inhuman scum and we will bash him with that, Or, if he condemns them we can talk about the PIRA."

Denerick

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

Find me one post where I did anything other than criticise them

Whereas you are here defending the UFF and obsessing over school children. I can back up my allegations, can you?

How am I defending the UFF?

You spend quite a lot of time defending, and socialising with members of the 32CSM. It doesn't take a genius to work it out.

Wolfe Tone

Denerick wrote: »

Only because he damn well fúcking is.

I think he knows who his friends are.

OhNoYouDidn't

Denerick wrote: »

Believe what you want to believe. I'm sick and tired of it at this stage. The north is a cesspit, no point in trying to explain why. It just is.

If you have no interest in explaining why, wtf are you doing posting on it? Its clear you don't understand the situation or the people involved, so why waste your time and bandwith?

OhNoYouDidn't

Denerick wrote: »

How am I defending the UFF?

By refusing to condemn the attack and attempting to blame others for it.

Denerick wrote: »

You spend quite a lot of time defending, and socialising with members of the 32CSM. It doesn't take a genius to work it out.

But I don't. Thats the problem with your tired little rant. I have no doubt you have gone through my previous posts and can't actually find anything that I posted to back up your infantile slurs. Whereas I can find plenty of posts that point to you supporting loyalists and having an obsession with schoolboys.

KeithAFC

The war is over. There is still people in our society that still have not moved on but again, the war is truly over. Why they put a petrol bomb in that position is beyond stupid and wrong.

If people wanted the troubles to start tommorrow, it would, easily. A simple bomb on the Shankill road would do it. The dissidents would not have the guts though.