Safe for horses to eat sprayed off grass

sea12

Is it ok to put horses out to graze sprayed off grass. (round up)
I know they have on the label that it is ok to put cattle and sheep out on it after 5 days. Is it ok for horses also?

Many thanks for any help

reilig

Yes, its fine. I find that animals will prefer sprayed off grass to grass that is growing. It must be sweeter or something.

LostCovey

reilig wrote: »

Yes, its fine. I find that animals will prefer sprayed off grass to grass that is growing. It must be sweeter or something.

Wonder if it makes their meat or milk taste sweeter?

Birdnuts

LostCovey wrote: »

Wonder if it makes their meat or milk taste sweeter?

Are you taking the p*ss - I know which type of meat I'd prefer and its not the one with added "Monsanto":(

LostCovey

Birdnuts wrote: »

Are you taking the p*ss:(

Personally, I think I would prefer to take the p*ss than take the glyphosate.....

Birdnuts

LostCovey wrote: »

Personally, I think I would prefer to take the p*ss than take the glyphosate.....

Fair enough;)

LostCovey

Birdnuts wrote: »

Fair enough;)

I am regularly amazed at what farmers post here. They seem to forget that consumers who eat the food they produce read boards.ie too.

There was another genius on here last year justifying running a water hose into their bulk tank to water down milk in winter.

Ireland, the Food Island.

Yah, roight, as they say in Dublin 4.

LostCovey

blue5000

It wouldn't be safe if there was ragwort in the grass, fresh ragwort is bitter but dead ragwort is more palatable, and therefore more dangerous. Roundup itself is fairly safe, its main ingredient is phosphoric acid, which is also found in cola! However I don't recommend that you drink it.....:P

reilig

LostCovey wrote: »

I am regularly amazed at what farmers post here. They seem to forget that consumers who eat the food they produce read boards.ie too.

There was another genius on here last year justifying running a water hose into their bulk tank to water down milk in winter.

Ireland, the Food Island.

Yah, roight, as they say in Dublin 4.

LostCovey

What is your problem??? You just have to have a go at everyone, don't ya?? You're great, you're an expert, we love your comments!!!!!
You were asked several times not to get personal. but you're doing it again

There was another genius on here

You made a comment on this thread which completely takes it off the subject that the op intended. Please stop. Its not funny anymore .......... come to think of it, it never was. Its just you being childlike and seeking attention.

The_Conductor

Guys, lets take a time out.
LostCovey- seriously- you know the rules- if you disagree with what someone else posts- you refute it factually, without personalising your post.
Reilig- sometimes when someone continually annoys you- the better course of action is to put them on ignore...... I've over 20 people on my 'ignore' list.

Its not difficult to be civil towards other posters- if people are incapable of basic manners towards each other- they will be banned from posting in this forum.

Regards,

SMcCarrick

reilig

smccarrick wrote: »

Guys, lets take a time out.
LostCovey- seriously- you know the rules- if you disagree with what someone else posts- you refute it factually, without personalising your post.
Reilig- sometimes when someone continually annoys you- the better course of action is to put them on ignore...... I've over 20 people on my 'ignore' list.

Its not difficult to be civil towards other posters- if people are incapable of basic manners towards each other- they will be banned from posting in this forum.

Regards,

SMcCarrick

Thanks for that.

For anyone that's "thick" like me, if you click on someone's username on a post that they put up and choose ignore then you won't see any posts from them in future. Its great.

whelan1

yes but its not the offender who gets banned its the person who stands up to the idiot:mad: right i am off to find the ignore button

LostCovey

reilig wrote: »

What is your problem??? You just have to have a go at everyone, don't ya?? You're great, you're an expert, we love your comments!!!!!
You were asked several times not to get personal. but you're doing it again

You made a comment on this thread which completely takes it off the subject that the op intended. Please stop. Its not funny anymore .......... come to think of it, it never was. Its just you being childlike and seeking attention.

Which bit was personal?


LC

LostCovey

smccarrick wrote: »

Guys, lets take a time out.
LostCovey- seriously- you know the rules- if you disagree with what someone else posts- you refute it factually, without personalising your post.
Reilig- sometimes when someone continually annoys you- the better course of action is to put them on ignore...... I've over 20 people on my 'ignore' list.

Its not difficult to be civil towards other posters- if people are incapable of basic manners towards each other- they will be banned from posting in this forum.

Regards,

SMcCarrick

Parking the 'personal' remark - because I really didn't mean to be personal, I thought I was being critical of what people said.

Factually, then, this is a forum read by people who eat farm produce, some a re farmers, and some are not. I believe it is really dangerous to give consumers the idea that farmers believe that a kill-everything herbicide made by Monsanto makes grass sweeter. There are so many poorly informed opinions of farmers and farming out there.

We really should not shoot ourselves in the foot by advising all and sundry that the casual use of chemicals is the norm in Irish farming.

Better?

I am truly sorry if I offended anyone, or if the previous post was taken personally, by anyone. No offence was intended. I would honestly appreciate some feedback on how it was personal to any person in the thread. Or anywhere else.

I do feel that quite a tedious chorus from the same two or three people who trail me around boards.ie complaining about my posts could be taken personally, but I choose not to.

I also disagree that I changed the topic, I took up Reilig's advice that glyphosate spraying made herbage sweeter and more palatable. And I took issue with that. I felt that such advice could give the wrong idea. To people who may think that this is how Irish food is typically reared and looked after.

Irish food is the best in the world and is produced by people who use chemicals in a restrained and responsible way.

That was all.

Have a great weekend.

LostCovey

kake

What absolute FLUFF Lost Covey. There was no part of this thread where reilig suggested that Round up made grass sweeter and nobody could ever take from what he/she wrote that it would.
You were personal when you referred to a poster being a "genius" and you suggested that they posted on a thread that they had a water hose flowing into their milk tank:

There was another genius on here last year justifying running a water hose into their bulk tank to water down milk in winter.

I remember the thread that you hijacked about this, you are completely fabricating the information when you suggest that the person has a water hose running into their milk tank. As with the above post, you need to go back and read the thread because you have taken up the information wrong. Thirdly, you need to go back to the start of this thread and read it again. YOU were the one who spoke about

a kill-everything herbicide made by Monsanto

. The OP or reilig did not mention Monsanto.

Factually, this is a forum for farming and forestry. Farmers reseed land, they spray it off with herbicides made by Monsato and other manufacturers. Many farmers spray long grass with Roundup, Gallup etc, etc, cut it and put it into silage before reseeding the field. There is nothing illegal or ill informed about this.

The majority of tillage farmers spray their grains with these herbicides in order to reduce moisture levels. I suggest that if you feel that

There are so many poorly informed opinions of farmers and farming out there

then you should take it up with your local td who will bring it to the attention of the Minister for Agriculture.

As you told us all before, you enjoy debate and everyone has a right to refute other posts if they believe that they are wrong. But you didn't refute this post, you clearly just wanted to start an argument.

No need to reply, I won't see it. You're going on my ignore list too. Manners doesn't cost anything. But you still have none.

LostCovey wrote: »

Parking the 'personal' remark - because I really didn't mean to be personal, I thought I was being critical of what people said.

Factually, then, this is a forum read by people who eat farm produce, some a re farmers, and some are not. I believe it is really dangerous to give consumers the idea that farmers believe that a kill-everything herbicide made by Monsanto makes grass sweeter. There are so many poorly informed opinions of farmers and farming out there.

We really should not shoot ourselves in the foot by advising all and sundry that the casual use of chemicals is the norm in Irish farming.

Better?

I am truly sorry if I offended anyone, or if the previous post was taken personally, by anyone. No offence was intended. I would honestly appreciate some feedback on how it was personal to any person in the thread. Or anywhere else.

I do feel that quite a tedious chorus from the same two or three people who trail me around boards.ie complaining about my posts could be taken personally, but I choose not to.

I also disagree that I changed the topic, I took up Reilig's advice that glyphosate spraying made herbage sweeter and more palatable. And I took issue with that. I felt that such advice could give the wrong idea. To people who may think that this is how Irish food is typically reared and looked after.

Irish food is the best in the world and is produced by people who use chemicals in a restrained and responsible way.

That was all.

Have a great weekend.

LostCovey

LostCovey

kake wrote: »

What absolute FLUFF Lost Covey. There was no part of this thread where reilig suggested that Round up made grass sweeter

Look at the top of the page, Kake.

sea12 wrote: »

Is it ok to put horses out to graze sprayed off grass. (round up)

reilig wrote: »

Yes, its fine. I find that animals will prefer sprayed off grass to grass that is growing. It must be sweeter or something.

So, lets stick with factual refuting of posts. Reilig stated that Round-Up, a non-selective systemic herbicide manufactured by Monsanto, must make grass sweeter for livestock. Or Something.

kake wrote: »

YOU were the one who spoke about . The OP or reilig did not mention Monsanto.

sea12 wrote: »

Is it ok to put horses out to graze sprayed off grass. (round up)

Monsanto make Round-Up, Kake. Fact.

kake wrote: »

I remember the thread that you hijacked about this, you are completely fabricating the information when you suggest that the person has a water hose running into their milk tank.

You might be correct actually, they may have been watering down the milk they were selling, and the milk that the rest of us buy and drink, with a bucket, or a watering can, or a barrel. What they said at the time, as you will recall, Kake, was:

******** wrote:

now admittedly in the winter i would let a few extra litres of water in

Now they DID say they were LETTING in a few extra litres. Would you LET in a few litres from a cup, or from a tumbler or a bucket? Probably not. You would pour. Would you LET it in from a hose? Maybe, but I could not prove that.
So I withdraw the hose allegation. I apologise for implying they used a hose. I actually have no detailed information on the precise methodology this person was using when adulterating their milk, by diluting it with water. I admit that.

kake wrote: »

Manners doesn't cost anything. But you still have none.

Well that's a matter of opinion, Kake. I respect yours, my friend.

LostCovey

reilig

blue5000 wrote: »

It wouldn't be safe if there was ragwort in the grass, fresh ragwort is bitter but dead ragwort is more palatable, and therefore more dangerous. Roundup itself is fairly safe, its main ingredient is phosphoric acid, which is also found in cola! However I don't recommend that you drink it.....:P

Yea, Ragworth is dangerous. I notice a lot more of it in fields and along roads this year - thankfully I have none in mine. Would the roundup work on ragworth or is the only solution to pull it??? Or perhaps it would be better to spray with the roundup to prevent further seeding and then pull it???


As I said above, I find that cattle will prefer to eat a field that has been sprayed to one that hasn't. I read that the roundup removes the EPSP synthase enzyme which prevents the grass from growing by stopping the production of proteins and allows the build up of starches which make the grass more palateable for them.

The_Conductor

What is the story with Ragworth- it is a notifiable 'noxious weed', but who do you notify it to, and who takes appropriate action to remove it? Its endemic on the roadsides of most of our national routes- totally ignoring its prevalence on private farmland!

reilig

I think that on the roadside, the local council are supposed to take action to remove it. Farmers are supposed to remove it from their own land to prevent it from spreading. There were legal cases brought over it in the past, but I have seen nothing lately. I think it has got really bad this summer because of the reasonably dry weather that we had and it appears to favour growing in reasonably good land (which makes my land less risk )

I'm sure someone on here knows much more about it than I do and will give us more information here.

smccarrick wrote: »

What is the story with Ragworth- it is a notifiable 'noxious weed', but who do you notify it to, and who takes appropriate action to remove it? Its endemic on the roadsides of most of our national routes- totally ignoring its prevalence on private farmland!

whelan1

smccarrick wrote: »

What is the story with Ragworth- it is a notifiable 'noxious weed', but who do you notify it to, and who takes appropriate action to remove it? Its endemic on the roadsides of most of our national routes- totally ignoring its prevalence on private farmland!

the fact that motorways etc go through alot of peoples land has encouraged the spread of it , i know all about it lost animals from ragworth posioning last year , am currently looking in to the law regarding it will let yis know

LostCovey

reilig wrote: »

As I said above, I find that cattle will prefer to eat a field that has been sprayed to one that hasn't. I read that the roundup removes the EPSP synthase enzyme which prevents the grass from growing by stopping the production of proteins and allows the build up of starches which make the grass more palateable for them.

Ah now Reilig, come off it. RoundUp is a herbicide. This account makes it sound like a nutritional supplement.

LostCovey

Birdnuts

LostCovey wrote: »

Ah now Reilig, come off it. RoundUp is a herbicide. This account makes it sound like a nutritional supplement.

LostCovey

Its pretty expensive too - do farmers get a bulk discount or what

reilig

Birdnuts wrote: »

Its pretty expensive too - do farmers get a bulk discount or what

Hi Birdnuts,

LostCovey is trying to get you to believe that farmers are dosing roundup into cattle and selling meat from them to the general public. The simple fact is that every farmer that reseeds land needs to burn off the grass before he does it and he has to use roundup or a similar product to do this. It is impossible to reseed without doing this. Tillage farmers use roundup to spray barley, wheat and oats to reduce the moisture content in it. So most rations bought by farmers to feed cattle, sheep, pigs, horses and chickens (unless it is organic) has been sprayed with roundup or a similar spray by another manufacturer.
The public have a right to know this, its not a secret. Mr Covey is just trying to stir up an argument as usual. Is there any difference between allowing cattle, sheep or horses to graze grass that has been sprayed with roundup and feeding these animals grain that has been sprayed with roundup????

Thank god for the "ignore user" button :eek:

LostCovey

reilig wrote: »

Thank god for the "ignore user" button :eek:

Don't think yours is working so well Reilig. Try it again.

LostCovey

LostCovey

reilig wrote: »

Hi Birdnuts,

LostCovey is trying to get you to believe that farmers are dosing roundup into cattle and selling meat from them to the general public.

Quite the opposite.

I was hoping to reassure readers that Reilig's approach to grazing pasture that had been sprayed with RoundUp is the exception rather than the rule. His take on sprayed grass is unique (ie that it is sweeter because RoundUp makes lots of starch, he tells us).

LostCovey

sea12

I did not have a chance to look at this since the first evening I posted it. I see it too a different route.

Thanks to rellig and others who actually helped me with my question.

LostCovey

sea12 wrote: »

I did not have a chance to look at this since the first evening I posted it. I see it too a different route.

Thanks to rellig and others who actually helped me with my question.

No problem sea12, more than welcome.

Remember the ragwort aspect though.

LC

djmc

As a dairy farmer I feel I should comment on adding water to milk
Milk is tested for this every time its collected and the farmer gets fined big through his milk cheque if added water is found
This can happen when washing out milking machine you have to watch the pipe going into the milk tank very carful to see when milk in system ends and water begins.
ANY more than one percent added water and your in trouble it also lowers butterfat and protein which also lowers milk price.
Its not as if a farmer sticks a water pipe into tank and starts adding water

whelan1

djmc wrote: »

As a dairy farmer I feel I should comment on adding water to milk
Milk is tested for this every time its collected and the farmer gets fined big through his milk cheque if added water is found
This can happen when washing out milking machine you have to watch the pipe going into the milk tank very carful to see when milk in system ends and water begins.
ANY more than one percent added water and your in trouble it also lowers butterfat and protein which also lowers milk price.
Its not as if a farmer sticks a water pipe into tank and starts adding water

my point was and is IF you are doing the same routine morning and evening at washing how come there is water in the milk some days and not others and its always in the summer that they call you p.s i have the ignore thingy on for lost covey so dont care what crap he answers with

djmc

Dont know but I started giving this wash up milk to older calves and it helped
its just not worth the risk for a couple of litres.
When calves are gone out on grass I just try and watch it very closely as water mixed with milk is still white it can happen easier than you might think.
I also try to time how long it takes water to come out and count to myself as im doing it

whelan1

djmc wrote: »

Dont know but I started giving this wash up milk to older calves and it helped
its just not worth the risk for a couple of litres.
When calves are gone out on grass I just try and watch it very closely as water mixed with milk is still white it can happen easier than you might think.
I also try to time how long it takes water to come out and count to myself as im doing it

ye everyone has their own routine , in my case when ever some one else milks its as if the creamery know and i get a call:mad:

convert

reilig wrote: »

Yea, Ragworth is dangerous. I notice a lot more of it in fields and along roads this year - thankfully I have none in mine. Would the roundup work on ragworth or is the only solution to pull it??? Or perhaps it would be better to spray with the roundup to prevent further seeding and then pull it???

The only real 'solution' for ragworth is to actually go out and pull it. It gets the root and stops it spreading. Just make sure that when you pull it that you don't leave it where animals can get at it. As has been mentioned above, it's much 'tastier' when it's dead so animals will eat it if they find it. I've yet to come across a spray that will treat it effectively.

convert

sea12 wrote: »

Is it ok to put horses out to graze sprayed off grass. (round up)
I know they have on the label that it is ok to put cattle and sheep out on it after 5 days. Is it ok for horses also?

Many thanks for any help

And back to the original question: if possible, I'd always leave a recently sprayed field for a week or 10 days before putting horses back on it.