Crossroads with 4 Stop Signs

trad

Our local council in their infinite wisdom has erected 4 Stop Signs at the junction of Killiney Hill Road and Military Road.

Does anyone know of any other junction where the 4 roads are controlled by a Stop Sign?

3DataModem

trad wrote: »

Our local council in their infinite wisdom has erected 4 Stop Signs at the junction of Killiney Hill Road and Military Road.

Does anyone know of any other junction where the 4 roads are controlled by a Stop Sign?

They are all over the US... quite common in fact. Not seen many in Ireland. Rules are you proceed through junction in order you arrived, generally yeilding to right.

Wats_in_a_name

trad wrote: »

Our local council in their infinite wisdom has erected 4 Stop Signs at the junction of Killiney Hill Road and Military Road.

Does anyone know of any other junction where the 4 roads are controlled by a Stop Sign?

Bit of topic but have you seen the roundabout at Saval Park Road/Dalkey Ave junction. So far I have seen people including a garda car go around the wrong way, a truck couldn't make it around it so had to go around the wrong way meaning everyone had to reverse to get out of the way. Don't know why they thought a roundabout was necessary!

kasper

could be seeing a lot more of them , four stop signs are cheaper than building a roundabout

mickdw

4 stops signs - Surely it just a normal cross road with equal priority then. Give way to traffic from right.

Berty

If people cannot get their heads around a junction with the traffic lights flashing amber/red then god help them on a 4 stop sign junction.

Anan1

trad wrote: »

Our local council in their infinite wisdom has erected 4 Stop Signs at the junction of Killiney Hill Road and Military Road.

Does anyone know of any other junction where the 4 roads are controlled by a Stop Sign?

You mean traffic on Killiney Hill Road no longer has priority?

crazyderk

trad wrote: »

Our local council in their infinite wisdom has erected 4 Stop Signs at the junction of Killiney Hill Road and Military Road.

Does anyone know of any other junction where the 4 roads are controlled by a Stop Sign?

Infinite wisdom alright, its the most dangerous junction in the Dun-Laoghaire Rathdown county council, its about bloody time they did something about it!

biko

The thing is that in the US you actually stop or the police will actually pull you over. No-one stops in Ireland, they slow down.

Made me think of this old gem:
A London lawyer runs a stop sign and gets pulled over by an Irish Garda.
He thinks that he is smarter than the cop because he is a London lawyer, from London, and is certain that he has a better education than any paddy cop. He decides to prove this to himself and have some fun at the Garda’s expense!!

Garda says,” License and registration, please.”
Lawyer says, “What for?”
Garda replies, “You didn’t come to a complete stop at the Stop sign.”
Lawyer says, “I slowed down, and no one was coming.”

Garda says, “You still didn’t come to a complete stop. License And registration, please.”
Lawyer says, “What’s the difference?”
Garda says, “The difference is, you have to come to complete stop, that’s the law. License and registration, now please!”

Lawyer says, “If you can show me the legal difference between “slow down” and “stop”, I’ll give you my license and registration and you give me the ticket. If not, you let me go and don’t give me the ticket.”

Garda says, “Sounds fair. Exit your vehicle, sir.”
The lawyer gets out.
All of a sudden, the Garda takes out his baton and starts beating the ****e out of the lawyer with it and says, “Do you want me to slow down - or do you want me to stop?”

djimi

3DataModem wrote: »

They are all over the US... quite common in fact. Not seen many in Ireland. Rules are you proceed through junction in order you arrived, generally yeilding to right.

That sounds like a recipe for chaos if you ask me...!

high horse

3DataModem wrote: »

They are all over the US... quite common in fact. Not seen many in Ireland. Rules are you proceed through junction in order you arrived, generally yeilding to right.

Those 4-way stop signs work quite well until traffic volumes increase. At busy times it was always the most aggressive drivers who would go instead of the driver whose turn it was

kasper

as long as you dont expect people to indicate which way they are going , its an irish game called keep them guessing

Ban Ki Moon

Pretty easy junction to figure out actually.You just stop and give way to traffic on the right.Its like a roundabout but without an actuall roundabout.Remember the rules of the road, give way to traffic on the right.I have no doubt its just a totally insignificant junction that the op has mentioned

trad

It's quite a significant junction. Killiney Hill Road, as the name suggests, is a hill running from Ballybrack / Shankill to Dalkey and is one of 3 routes into Dalkey and is quite a busy road, particularly at school time. KHR has always had the right of way and is by far the busier road.

I've been up it a few times since it reopened and very few on KHR are stopping at the stop signs.

I have never seen a 4 road cross with 4 stop signs anywhere in this country.

Stevie Dakota

They work brillianty in the US where everyone stops, even if there are no other cars to be seen, very civilised, would be nice to see it tried here.

djimi

Stevie Dakota wrote: »

They work brillianty in the US where everyone stops, even if there are no other cars to be seen, very civilised, would be nice to see it tried here.

I think the bolded part is where it would fall over badly on Irish roads...

Cookie_Monster

can see quite a few crashes at this junction while people get used to stopping on Killiney hill road tbh. totally un-needed, should have remained the way it was with KHR taking priority

seamus

Stevie Dakota wrote: »

They work brillianty in the US where everyone stops, even if there are no other cars to be seen, very civilised, would be nice to see it tried here.

It works well in the US because they have insanely comprehensive police coverage, and the police are very vigiliant when it comes to not stopping at stop signs.

Over here we have a skeleton Garda crew, and you'll generally only be pulled over for running a stop sign if you nearly caused an accident - if there was no traffic coming, you'll be let off. It's extremely rare to caught for running a stop sign in Ireland, but if you watch US cop shows, every second driver is pulled for running a stop sign.

dr.fuzzenstein

Stevie Dakota wrote: »

They work brillianty in the US where everyone stops, even if there are no other cars to be seen, very civilised, would be nice to see it tried here.

Add to that "everyone indicates" and you have three reasons why this will fail here.

trad

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

can see quite a few crashes at this junction while people get used to stopping on Killiney hill road tbh. totally un-needed, should have remained the way it was with KHR taking priority

Went back up for another look today, there's a video camera there watching the junction. Might just be another of DLRCoCo's experimental traffic calming measures but if anyone does have an accident the Council will have it on tape.

Shane732

3DataModem wrote: »

They are all over the US... quite common in fact. Not seen many in Ireland. Rules are you proceed through junction in order you arrived, generally yeilding to right.

That could be very interesting if you got a situation where 4 cars arrived roughly at the same time and all yeild to the right......

Cookie_Monster

Shane732 wrote: »

That could be very interesting if you got a situation where 4 cars arrived roughly at the same time and all yeild to the right......

ah but the guy on your right is yielding so you don't have to...


oh wait...

Stevie Dakota

Have a little faith, this may work. We've all come across junctions where the lights have failed, and the traffic sometimes flows much quicker. It may be a balls up but its worth a try.

Cookie_Monster

Stevie Dakota wrote: »

Have a little faith, this may work. We've all come across junctions where the lights have failed, and the traffic sometimes flows much quicker. It may be a balls up but its worth a try.

I would think that these are appropriate it many circumstances over here, just not on that road in particular. KHR is clearly the more important road at this junction and should have right of way
It quite a steep road to be stopping on coming up which may cause problems for people too.

firefly08

I have to say the ones in the US drive me cracked. Where I live, the rule is, whoever stops first, goes first. I don't know if that's strictly the law, or if it's just the local culture, but the results would be hilarious if they weren't so frustrating. You get 4 drivers all sitting there looking at each other wondering who's f*&*ing turn it is. You simply can't keep track of the exact order all 4 of you arrived in.

When there are no stop signs or lights, just 4 roads, (also quite common over here) they do pretty much the same thing.

Also, it doesn't seem to have occurred to the geniuses responsible that you have no way of knowing it's a 4-way stop. You can only see your own stop sign.

high horse

firefly08 wrote: »

I have to say the ones in the US drive me cracked. Where I live, the rule is, whoever stops first, goes first. I don't know if that's strictly the law, or if it's just the local culture, but the results would be hilarious if they weren't so frustrating. You get 4 drivers all sitting there looking at each other wondering who's f*&*ing turn it is. You simply can't keep track of the exact order all 4 of you arrived in.

When there are no stop signs or lights, just 4 roads, (also quite common over here) they do pretty much the same thing.

Also, it doesn't seem to have occurred to the geniuses responsible that you have no way of knowing it's a 4-way stop. You can only see your own stop sign.

Any of them I encountered in the US had an extra sign to say it was a four way stop junction, like here:

firefly08

Yep, here they have them with and without those. Maybe they fall off or something...

Del2005

3DataModem wrote: »

They are all over the US... quite common in fact. Not seen many in Ireland. Rules are you proceed through junction in order you arrived, generally yeilding to right.

They are the US rules.

We don't have 1st come 1st go, we have give way to traffic from the right. I can see some nice insurance claims easy money for lawyers from this junction.

T-Maxx

Very common in South Africa as well. First come first go principle. Works a treat.

Eoin

Anan1 wrote: »

You mean traffic on Killiney Hill Road no longer has priority?

Correct - but there's roadworks on that road, so maybe it's a temporary thing. Some nasty junctions on that road...

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

Add to that "everyone indicates" and you have three reasons why this will fail here.

In the States? I didn't find that the case at all - they certainly didn't seem any better than over here to me.

P.C.

Anan1 wrote: »

You mean traffic on Killiney Hill Road no longer has priority?

This was answered in post No.2

3DataModem wrote: »

They are all over the US... quite common in fact. Not seen many in Ireland. Rules are you proceed through junction in order you arrived, generally yeilding to right.

4 Way Stops are very easy to navigate:

1.) Stop
2.) Look right - don't forget to check left, and oncoming traffic.
3.) If there is no traffic from your rigt, then proceed, if not,
4.) wait for the car from your right to proceed, then when it has cleared the junction, you proceed.

If the vehicle to your right is too busy looking to their right, then proceed with caution.

TouchingVirus

Your method fails the Dining Philosophers problem. That is, 4 people arrive roughly the same time and perform the same actions. Who gets to go first?