SMG Recommendations

MonkeyGuy

Hey all. I won't be buying for a while but I want an SMG. The only options I can really see is p90, mp5 and aks74u. There seems to be an immediate issue with each of them but it might just be me. P90 is mags, never heard a good thing about them. Haven't heard anything great about the Classic Army or Tokyo Marui mp5. And the ak requires that filing down to take standard mags. Any advice? My budget is around €250. Thanks

thermo

I have a G&G ump and the vfc kac pdw and both are excellent guns, very reliable and have excellent performance. Would recomend them anyday.

MonkeyGuy

I love the PDW. Can I ask where you got it and how much?

thermo

I got it in qas they are over €400 new but you could try pick up a second hand one if that exceeds your budget. Dboys also do a version of it.

Stercus Accidit

Only Kalash require the filing, and it is minor, you will do it easily and achieve very secure mag seating. The quality of their steel guns will overwhelm you, I have the aks74 and it is unrivalled in build and solidness among any airsoft gun I have held. Stain the wood, and repaint it,(if you want) and you have something to be very proud of, as I am of mine.

SRC make a stamped steel (as in the real one) mp5, reasonably priced, looks to be the vfc of mp5's, I hope to get one some day, and mp5's are a joy to use, super compact and ergonomic.

p90 mags are grand if you get mids, only the hi-cap needs periodic cleaning from what I have heard, the mag pouches are readily available these days also.

MonkeyGuy

I can't seem to find it on any Irish websites... So tell me more about the UMP. I had the Double Eagle one back in the day. It was actually very good. Except I couldn't get mags for it, even now I only ever see hicaps.

thermo

MonkeyGuy wrote: »

I can't seem to find it on any Irish websites... So tell me more about the UMP. I had the Double Eagle one back in the day. It was actually very good. Except I couldn't get mags for it, even now I only ever see hicaps.

the g&g ump is great, great range and accurecy mags are expensive though and mids are not worth the hassle, expense, 2 hi caps would be more than enough to play with.

MonkeyGuy

I'm really looking for something that uses midcaps. The PDW or even a CQB m4 or the likes would be ideal as I already have m4 midcaps. I wouldn't mind buying more so long as they aren't too dear.

thermo

MonkeyGuy wrote: »

I'm really looking for something that uses midcaps. The PDW or even a CQB m4 or the likes would be ideal as I already have m4 midcaps. I wouldn't mind buying more so long as they aren't too dear.

Well the pdw is an excellent weapon, maybe contact qas and see if they have a pre- loved one or save up a bit longer and get one new.

MonkeyGuy

The G&G Raider has caught my eye. Unfortunately it's pre-order on QAS which will take ages and out of stock on MIA. As you can tell I'm kinda impatient!:D

thermo

MonkeyGuy wrote: »

The G&G Raider has caught my eye. Unfortunately it's pre-order on QAS which will take ages and out of stock on MIA. As you can tell I'm kinda impatient!:D

Just saw there is a guy selling a dboys pdw in the adverts section.

MonkeyGuy

FRICK! Bought a pistol there recently so I haven't got the funds. And I'd feel bad buying two unecessary airsofting things so close together. Anyone have any experience with the GR15?

thermo

MonkeyGuy wrote: »

FRICK! Bought a pistol there recently so I haven't got the funds. And I'd feel bad buying two unecessary airsofting things so close together. Anyone have any experience with the GR15?

Not the particular model, but having owned several g&g's I would say they are top notch gear.

MonkeyGuy

Yeah so I hear. I think I'm close to convinced after watching a CrazyNCman review of it.....

sliabh

I hate to take business away from the local retailers, but if you are having trouble getting what you want, Taiwan Gun in Poland have CYMA and SRC MP5s.

They are quick to deliver, and will dowgrade for free if you buy the lower power spring from them as well.

MonkeyGuy

Is delivery expensive?

Knightmare92

MonkeyGuy wrote: »

Anyone have any experience with the GR15?

I do, own a full-metal Top-Tech Raider-L myself.
It's a quality piece of kit alright, very solid internals. Great accuracy and r.o.f out of it so far, and the blowback is a nice addition. Uses the same set of internals that the plastica GR-15's have as far as i know. Definetly would give it some serious concideration man.

MonkeyGuy

Yeah I think it's probably the way to go. I'm fairly sure they take MAG mags am I right?

sliabh

MonkeyGuy wrote: »

Is delivery expensive?

I got an AKMS, and a box of 6 midcaps delivered from Poland to Austria for €22. Irish delivery might be a bit more, but register with them and they will calculate the total for whatever is in your shopping cart.

Knightmare92

MonkeyGuy wrote: »

Yeah I think it's probably the way to go. I'm fairly sure they take MAG mags am I right?

Well as far as I know they should take pretty much any M4 mags, the only ones i've had issues with on mine are Milspex ones, few locking and feeding issues for me there. But my other ones go in without a hitch no problems.
Just make 100% sure before you commit though.

roryk1

g+g gr15 are great guns have 1 myself well worth getting good range and rof on a 9.6v bat

MonkeyGuy

Ok so can you tell me the bad things about it?

Firekitten

MonkeyGuy wrote: »

Hey all. I won't be buying for a while but I want an SMG. The only options I can really see is p90, mp5 and aks74u. There seems to be an immediate issue with each of them but it might just be me. P90 is mags, never heard a good thing about them. Haven't heard anything great about the Classic Army or Tokyo Marui mp5. And the ak requires that filing down to take standard mags. Any advice? My budget is around €250. Thanks

pretty much wrong on all accounts.

TM p90 lowcaps are fine, with lubrication, the hicaps are great. No experience of the CA ones, but no bad reports yet.

CA and TM mp5s are great... however, id take the CA over the TM anyday... thier B&T mp5 line are rock solid performers. Great guns.

AKSU... depends which model you buy.

Inokatsu, perfect, Vfc, perfect, Cyma... great, Dboys/kalash, tighter magwell, but not that tight.

thermo

the g&g and cyma mp5's are also excellent bits of kit, worth looking at.

MonkeyGuy

Firekitten wrote: »

TM p90 lowcaps are fine, with lubrication, the hicaps are great. No experience of the CA ones, but no bad reports yet.

Sorry I've no experience with them I'm just going by what I've heard, and I've heard lots of complaints about p90 mags. You're probably right that they just need some lubricating, but that's why I started this thread, because I really didn't know! And low caps aren't really my thing. I go through 100 round midcaps too quick even using semi auto. Thanks for the info though.

Firekitten

Welcome to airsoft.


10 people had problems with a mag

100 people read it on an internet forum and passed it on as thier own experience to seem knowlageable on another forum... 100 more read that...


Applies to nearly any technical or contentious issue in airsoft

StevieGriff

Firekitten wrote: »

Welcome to airsoft.


10 people had problems with a mag

100 people read it on an internet forum and passed it on as thier own experience to seem knowlageable on another forum... 100 more read that...


Applies to nearly any technical or contentious issue in airsoft

haha so true. This always cracks me up!

MonkeyGuy

Ok so to tell you the truth, I adore the p90, so to hear it's not so bad is a real plus! So TM yes?

Firekitten

Not so bad?
honey, the Tm p90 is a naildriver of an aeg... reliable version 6 gearbox, great design, comfortable, the hopup is AMAZING for such a short barreled gun, and nobody has ever had a problem with the 60 odd round lowcaps, mag or king arms do midcaps now, and the hicaps work fine if you dont over fill them (too many over fill).

Had a tm for two years, loved it... the landlord was beying for blood though Not tried the CA, but ive heard good things. (if someone bleats on about CA am aweful, ill devour your mortal souls)

MonkeyGuy

Ok thanks ha! I was seriously considering the TM p90 with the silencer, or would the one with the dot sight be better?

Firekitten

internal red dot is good, but if you want to put your own scope on, get the other...

major difference: With scope, without scope.... silencer is window dressing frankly.

MonkeyGuy

Well I have an ACOG style red dot that I like and is easy to adjust. And a sniper scope but I think that's called overkill. But woah, just for the p90 and a high cap I'm looking at over 350. Is it really worth it?

Stercus Accidit

The ACM p90 has standard bushings (the TM is proprietary) and the TM has some plastics where it should have metal AFAIK while the ACM does not, it has all the metal parts in metal.

You want to speak to an owner of one, but don't jump on the TM because its TM, many TM's aren't as good compared to a rival clone. Plastic screw built AK for example.

MonkeyGuy

So, are you trying to tell me to go for the ACM?

thermo

http://www.seairsoft.net/product_details.php?id=929&catid=11

this is supposed to be one of the better ones with an affordable price tag.

Stercus Accidit

MonkeyGuy wrote: »

So, are you trying to tell me to go for the ACM?

The TM one is probably overpriced compared to its rivals now, it had the monopoly, but the ACM models of which there are a couple now are meant to be very good and much much cheaper.

MonkeyGuy

All this "meant to be" and "supposed to be" is what Firekitten was talking about though. I'd like to hear it from someone with first-hand experience.

thermo

All this "meant to be" and "supposed to be" is what Firekitten was talking about though

ive only used the one i linked to for 1 game so it wouldnt say i had extensive experience, in the 1 game i played it had excellent range and a good ROF. p 90's are just not my thing so i gave it back.

I'd like to hear it from someone with first-hand experience

that came across a little harsh dude, not a good idea when your here asking for help!

MonkeyGuy

Ok sorry if I sounded harsh, but I could look around the internet and find other experiences with it. The more people that say it the better but it's hard to know when someone is just speculating about something they heard and when someone is really trying to help.

Stercus Accidit

I did mention I haven't used them, a bit of googling is the best way to learn the facts, find reviews. I only mentioned the above points so that you are aware that there is a very viable alternative to the very pricey TM.

MonkeyGuy

Stercus Accidit wrote: »

I did mention I haven't used them, a bit of googling is the best way to learn the facts, find reviews. I only mentioned the above points so that you are aware that there is a very viable alternative to the very pricey TM.

Thanks Stercus. I tend to get a bit mad and rant. The problem though is mostly what I want is range and accuracy in a compact AEG, and since most reviews come from outside Ireland, they aren't going by the 1 joule limit so they aren't much help in that regard.

Stercus Accidit

MonkeyGuy wrote: »

Thanks Stercus. I tend to get a bit mad and rant. The problem though is mostly what I want is range and accuracy in a compact AEG, and since most reviews come from outside Ireland, they aren't going by the 1 joule limit so they aren't much help in that regard.

I believe Richie sang the ACM's praises in the past, and thats good enough for me, as such I know I'd buy one over the TM. Its one of those no brainers.


http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055427928

MonkeyGuy

Stercus Accidit wrote: »

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055427928

Now that's what I call helpful!

Stercus Accidit

MonkeyGuy wrote: »

Now that's what I call helpful!

The sign of a good review is bits of internals all over the place

MonkeyGuy

Well I looked at the top picture and saw a spring and a marker and thought it must be good. Must give it a good read.....

MonkeyGuy

Ok it looked good in the review, and then I looked at the discussion thread.... whoah

Firekitten

To be honest, the advantages the TM p90 has, are mostly design. The gearbox design, and the hopup design.

Played with an ACM when I was working as an airsoft engineer down south, its actually quite nice, i must agree.

As Sam says, the tm has a plastic upper receiver, the only external metal bit on the real one.

CA and ACM are both metal where it matters, though as you don't touch that part very often, its more semantics than realism to be honest.

ACM has nicer bushings, but the gearbox like a lot of Chinese guns, has more grease than a Temple Bar chippy, spread more thickly than the makeup on one of the girls buying from said food establishment.

Cleaned out its good, id swap the hop rubber perhaps, but that's my own pedantic nature. Nice gun, no real reason to pay for the tm, as in a lot of cases these days.

Got back to a friend that's got the CA, his view is its body feels nicer than the acm and tm, but its performance is along the same lines...

choice is aesthetics, price, and function.
It seems all three have function,
two have aesthetics,
and one has the price.

Logic says the acm, I'm inclined to agree.

Help much?

MonkeyGuy

I'll probably go with the ACM then. And yes, that did help very muchly Firekitten! Thanks everyone.