new regs regarding full license?

Podgoricka

sorry if this is all ready up there somewhere! please feel free to move mods! ok iv been hearing all this stuff about ill have to get 20 lessons etc etc if i dont book my test be the 1st of September.. now as i under stud it, these new regs only applied to learner drivers who hadn,t already had a permit.. since iv mine since xmas, im i safe of should i book my test asap.

I cannot fine info on this anywhere, so all help will be greatly appreciated!

Ans Blix

I've heard new rules are coming in in september as well, I'd love if anyone had any info...

I heard there was now a system were you need X amonut of hours before applying for the test?

Does this include L drivers already driving

Nervous Wreck

Heard on the news yesterday that some new rules are being implemented tomorrow. Thus, I'm applying for my test today.

MascotDec85

From what I have been told the mandatory lessons WON'T apply to current learner permit holders

Ans Blix

Nervous Wreck wrote: »

Heard on the news yesterday that some new rules are being implemented tomorrow. Thus, I'm applying for my test today.

Hate not having money

MascotDec85 wrote: »

From what I have been told the mandatory lessons WON'T apply to current learner permit holders

Ohhhhh interesting, me likes!

beading

Look what I found (from Irish Independent) :

LEARNER drivers will have to do regular on-road "homework" while being supervised in the car by their parents.

They will also have to spend a set period of time driving in the darkness hours, the Irish Independent has learned. This is the high-risk period for fatal crashes involving young male drivers, sometimes with multiple casualties.

The parent will fill in and sign a log book swearing the learner has completed each stage of the training on-road "homework".

The log book will then be brought to the learner driver's officially registered instructor, who will counter-sign it.

Under radical new proposals being unveiled today by the Road Safety Authority (RSA), learner drivers will not be able to take their driving test until they complete a set number of lessons and a set syllabus -- to be known as the Graduated Driver Licensing (GDL) system.

It means that parents will no longer simply be able to put their children on their car insurance as named drivers and hand over the keys to them.

Learner drivers will still be able to take to the road if they are accompanied by a motorist who is qualified for at least two years. But they will also be required by law to designate a qualified driver as a "driving supervisor" or mentor, who will legally undertake to accompany the learner each time they have to carry out their "homework".

The supervisor will then certify that they have fully completed the syllabus.

It will no longer be possible to get a full driving licence unless the learner has fully completed the log book that has been signed by both the driving instructor and the supervising adult.

If a parent is not available, the learner can alternatively nominate another suitably qualified driver, such as an aunt, an uncle or a neighbour.

The move, a key plank in the Government's Road Safety Strategy, will bring Ireland into line with most other EU countries which do not allow learner drivers to take the driving test until they have undergone rigorous training.

Fraud

While some novice drivers may try to get around the new system by nominating a person who may sign the log book in the absence of any supervision, it is understood that the threat of a fraud prosecution will act as a significant deterrent.

Under the new system, misrepresentation of the learner's log book will be a fraudulent offence punishable by hefty fines and possibly jail.

The changes will only affect new learner-permit holders. Anyone who holds a licence now will not be affected.

The proposals are also expected to include a new restricted driving plate, known as an R-plate, when a person has completed the first phase of their L-plate training. They can then apply to get their full unrestricted licence following a further training period.

The changes come amid mounting concerns over the number of young male drivers aged 17-24 who are involved in fatal crashes in the early hours of the morning, particularly at weekends.

Learners caught clocking up penalty points for a range of offences including speeding, not wearing a seat belt or overtaking dangerously, also face the prospect of having speed limiting devices placed on their cars under new powers being given to judges.

Learner drivers will also be put off the road if they are caught with 20ml of alcohol in their system, effectively a zero-alcohol limit.

The RSA has ruled out the imposition of a night-time curfew on learner drivers and a ban on carrying unqualified drivers as passengers.

UpTheSlashers

I presume this is in addition to the test, not in place of?

Robxxx7

info up now

http://www.rsa.ie/Utility/News/2010/RSA-announce-nine-additional-measures-to-protect-learner-and-inexperienced-drivers/

RSA announce nine additional measures to protect learner and inexperienced drivers

RSA announce nine additional measures to protect learner and inexperienced drivers. The RSA has today (1st September 2010) given an update on the measures outlined in the Road Safety Strategy 2007-2012 to enhance the way in which drivers are trained, tested and licensed in Ireland. The first phase of the modernisation project has been completed and today an additional nine actions have been announced.

The modernisation of driver training and licensing is a key foundation stone of the Governments current Road Safety Strategy. Driver testing was first introduced in Ireland in 1964 and the RSA has been working since its establishment in September 2006 to modernise the training, testing and licensing system.

Noel Brett, CEO, Road Safety Authority said "the modern driving environment is particularly demanding with increased volumes of traffic, more complex road networks and faster vehicles. It is essential that drivers are formally trained to drive safely for life rather than training just to pass a test. I want to acknowledge the maturity and responsibility which the vast majority of young and inexperienced drivers demonstrate. However driver inexperience is a major risk factor in death and injury collisions on our roads. The facts are that young and inexperienced drivers are more likely to kill or be killed on Irish roads."

In designing a graduated driving licensing system for Ireland the RSA has studied the effectiveness of these measures internationally, carried out a detailed public consultation process and sought to introduce measures that maximise the safety of inexperienced drivers and those with whom they share the road whilst seeking to avoid penalising responsible, compliant novice drivers.

The nine new measures are:

* All new first time learner permit holders with effect from 6th December 2010 for motorcycles and 4th April 2011 for cars will be required to undertake mandatory initial basic training (IBT) with an approved driving instructor (ADI). The course will be 16 hours for motorcycle and 12 hours for car licences.
* The role of the supervising driver accompanying learner drivers will be strengthened and we will introduce a requirement for learner drivers to keep a learner log to be signed by their approved driving instructor and their accompanying driver.
* The drink driving limits for drivers with learner permits and those in their first two years on a full driving licence will be reduced to 20mg/100ml. This legislation has been passed by the Oireachtas and will come into effect in September 2011.
* The penalty points for specified offences will be increased for learner and novice drivers so that accumulation of penalty points during the learning phase and in the first two years on a full licence will pose a real threat of disqualification and will impact positively on risk taking and driver behaviour.
* A standard Hazard Perception Test will be developed and carried out during the novice driver phase. The hazard perception test will specifically address risk taking and perception of risk among novice drivers.
* The current driving test will be modernised to more effectively reflect driver competencies and to influence the learning undertaken by learners. We will introduce a new externally accredited driving test format in the last quarter of 2011.
* Novice drivers will be required to display an R (restricted) plate during the first two years of their full driving licence to support the restrictions that are placed on their licence for that duration.
* The current Driver Theory Test question bank and supporting learning materials will be reconfigured to make it more effective as a learning tool.
* We will engage with the Department of Justice and Law Reform, the Gardai and the Courts Service to develop the range and combination of sentencing options available to the courts for driving offences for learner and novice drivers.

Noel Brett said "We believe that these measures are proportionate, fair and necessary. I make a particular plea to parents to increase their involvement in supervising their young adults learning to drive. Whilst the mandatory lessons will not apply to existing learner permit holders I do urge all learner drivers to engage with an ADI and undertake structured training. With the support of young people and their parents I am confident that these new measures will make a huge contribution to reducing death and injuries amongst the next generation of Irish drivers not just now but for their driving careers."

RossDonegan

* All new first time learner permit holders with effect from 6th December 2010 for motorcycles and 4th April 2011 for cars will be required to undertake mandatory initial basic training (IBT) with an approved driving instructor (ADI). The course will be 16 hours for motorcycle and 12 hours for car licences.

So according to this I won't have to get the mandatory lessons ? Ill be 17 in Jan.
Please tell me I read this right.

MascotDec85

RossDonegan wrote: »

* All new first time learner permit holders with effect from 6th December 2010 for motorcycles and 4th April 2011 for cars will be required to undertake mandatory initial basic training (IBT) with an approved driving instructor (ADI). The course will be 16 hours for motorcycle and 12 hours for car licences.

So according to this I won't have to get the mandatory lessons ? Ill be 17 in Jan.
Please tell me I read this right.

Pass your Theory Test and get your Learner Permit before 4th April 2011 and you should be excluded. Are you aware you can sit your Theory Test now and apply for your Learner Permit when you turn 17?

MascotDec85

beading wrote: »

Look what I found (from Irish Independent) :

LEARNER drivers will have to do regular on-road "homework" while being supervised in the car by their parents.

They will also have to spend a set period of time driving in the darkness hours, the Irish Independent has learned. This is the high-risk period for fatal crashes involving young male drivers, sometimes with multiple casualties.

The parent will fill in and sign a log book swearing the learner has completed each stage of the training on-road "homework".

The log book will then be brought to the learner driver's officially registered instructor, who will counter-sign it.

Under radical new proposals being unveiled today by the Road Safety Authority (RSA), learner drivers will not be able to take their driving test until they complete a set number of lessons and a set syllabus -- to be known as the Graduated Driver Licensing (GDL) system.

It means that parents will no longer simply be able to put their children on their car insurance as named drivers and hand over the keys to them.

Learner drivers will still be able to take to the road if they are accompanied by a motorist who is qualified for at least two years. But they will also be required by law to designate a qualified driver as a "driving supervisor" or mentor, who will legally undertake to accompany the learner each time they have to carry out their "homework".

The supervisor will then certify that they have fully completed the syllabus.

It will no longer be possible to get a full driving licence unless the learner has fully completed the log book that has been signed by both the driving instructor and the supervising adult.

If a parent is not available, the learner can alternatively nominate another suitably qualified driver, such as an aunt, an uncle or a neighbour.

The move, a key plank in the Government's Road Safety Strategy, will bring Ireland into line with most other EU countries which do not allow learner drivers to take the driving test until they have undergone rigorous training.

Fraud

While some novice drivers may try to get around the new system by nominating a person who may sign the log book in the absence of any supervision, it is understood that the threat of a fraud prosecution will act as a significant deterrent.

Under the new system, misrepresentation of the learner's log book will be a fraudulent offence punishable by hefty fines and possibly jail.

The changes will only affect new learner-permit holders. Anyone who holds a licence now will not be affected.

The proposals are also expected to include a new restricted driving plate, known as an R-plate, when a person has completed the first phase of their L-plate training. They can then apply to get their full unrestricted licence following a further training period.

The changes come amid mounting concerns over the number of young male drivers aged 17-24 who are involved in fatal crashes in the early hours of the morning, particularly at weekends.

Learners caught clocking up penalty points for a range of offences including speeding, not wearing a seat belt or overtaking dangerously, also face the prospect of having speed limiting devices placed on their cars under new powers being given to judges.

Learner drivers will also be put off the road if they are caught with 20ml of alcohol in their system, effectively a zero-alcohol limit.

The RSA has ruled out the imposition of a night-time curfew on learner drivers and a ban on carrying unqualified drivers as passengers.

It will be an ADI who will be signing off the log book

• The role of the supervising driver accompanying learner drivers will be strengthened and we will introduce a requirement for learner drivers to keep a learner log to be signed by their approved driving instructor and their accompanying driver.

I'd imagine the 12 mandatory hours will be signed as a minimum by the ADI. Any over and above this figure can be signed by the accompanying driver.
If that is not the case then this part of the changes will be pointless.

RossDonegan

MascotDec85 wrote: »

Pass your Theory Test and get your Learner Permit before 4th April 2011 and you should be excluded. Are you aware you can sit your Theory Test now and apply for your Learner Permit when you turn 17?

Thanks.

Yes I am but thought it was only valid for 2months ? As in id have to wait untill November to do it.

Jamie-b

I think it is valid for 2 years- I remember reading you can do it when you're 15

Edit: On RSa website

If you are applying for your first learner permit you must:

Include a theory test certificate for the relevant category along with your learner-permit application, unless the certificate has already been submitted
Present the certificate within two years of the date of issue (date of passing the test)

MascotDec85

RossDonegan wrote: »

Thanks.

Yes I am but thought it was only valid for 2months ? As in id have to wait untill November to do it.

2 years it is

In theory, you may take a driver theory test at any age. However, you must submit your pass certificate to a Motor Tax Office with your application for a first learner permit within two years of passing the theory test. So for example, if you wish to apply for a learner permit for Category B vehicles, you must be at least 15 years or older and have passed your driver theory test in order to obtain a first learner permit when you reach 17 years.

RossDonegan

Ahh thanks.

Must book mine and see what happens

Thanks again for the info.

upwexford

How long is the Theory Test valid for? eg can I pass my Theory and then get my provisional licence a year later?

MascotDec85

upwexford wrote: »

How long is the Theory Test valid for? eg can I pass my Theory and then get my provisional licence a year later?

You must get your Learner Permit within 2 years of passing your Theory Test.
See the quotes on Page 1

ullu

Regarding the use of R plates, I have my test next week. Assuming I pass, I'll have my full licence for seven months by the time the new legislation is introduced. Am I correct to presume it will only apply to drivers who pass their test after 4 April 2011 or would I be expected to use R plates for the seventeen months after that?

MascotDec85

ullu wrote: »

Regarding the use of R plates, I have my test next week. Assuming I pass, I'll have my full licence for seven months by the time the new legislation is introduced. Am I correct to presume it will only apply to drivers who pass their test after 4 April 2011 or would I be expected to use R plates for the seventeen months after that?

That's a tough one which will be clarified in the coming weeks/months I'd imagine. From the info released, it's unclear

Jamie-b

I emailed about this. I passed last week and applied asap so it was before this was announced. The reply I received was

Legislation has yet to be drafted regarding R plates therefore we do not have a date for when this will take effect. If you apply for your full licence immediately we do not envisage this to affect you.

I reckon when the legislation is drafted all pink licences issued will have the restriction on them like the ones on the LP.. if we get 10 year licences they can't demand it back and add a restriction

MascotDec85

Jamie-b wrote: »

I emailed about this. I passed last week and applied asap so it was before this was announced. The reply I received was

+1 just read an email from them in closer detail:

Novice drivers to be required to display an R (restricted) plate during the first two years of their full driving licence.

Update: The mandatory use of an R plate for the first two years on a full driving licence signifies that the driver is a novice, has passed their driving test but is subject to the restrictions of the graduated driving licence regime. Enabling legislation is required to provide a legislative basis for this measure and to provide sanctions for non compliance.

DazMarz

Also: what restrictions will 'novice' drivers have placed upon them with these new 'R' plates? Can they drive unaccompanied, can they drive on motorways, are they pretty much as restricted as 'L' drivers, etc.???

Capt'n Midnight

DazMarz wrote: »

Also: what restrictions will 'novice' drivers have placed upon them with these new 'R' plates? Can they drive unaccompanied, can they drive on motorways, are they pretty much as restricted as 'L' drivers, etc.???

Up north they are also restricted to 50mph IIRC

so yes it would be nice to know what the exact regs are

and they won't be any worse than what the people up the road have to deal with, though up there such stuff is enforced

DazMarz

My driving test is coming up soon, and I'm quietly confident of passing (I'll probably eat those words...:o) and so I'm very interested as to what kind of restrictions I'll have to put up with if I pass. Or do these 'R' plates and all those changes only apply from April 2011??? Does anybody have any information on this? The RSA website didn't seem to have any!!!

Alanstrainor

DazMarz wrote: »

My driving test is coming up soon, and I'm quietly confident of passing (I'll probably eat those words...:o) and so I'm very interested as to what kind of restrictions I'll have to put up with if I pass. Or do these 'R' plates and all those changes only apply from April 2011??? Does anybody have any information on this? The RSA website didn't seem to have any!!!

You will not be affected by the new regulations. Only those who apply for a first learner permit after April 11 will be affected.

DazMarz

Alanstrainor wrote: »

You will not be affected by the new regulations. Only those who apply for a first learner permit after April 11 will be affected.

Brilliant stuff... Thanks a million!!! (just had to post a 'thanks'... for when the "thanks button" just isn't enough!!!!):D

ullu

Alanstrainor wrote: »

You will not be affected by the new regulations. Only those who apply for a first learner permit after April 11 will be affected.

So if someone gets their learner permit in March 2011 and passes the test in January 2013, their full licence will not be subject to the 'R' plate restrictions whereas the full licence of someone who gets a permit in May 2011 and passes their test in December 2011 will?

Perhaps I've been mistaken but I was under the impression that anyone who passed their test after the April 2011 change would be subject to the licence restriction, regardless of when their permit was issued.

Faith+1

ullu wrote: »

Perhaps I've been mistaken but I was under the impression that anyone who passed their test after the April 2011 change would be subject to the licence restriction, regardless of when their permit was issued.

Very good point, I'm a full licence holder and I think it's very confusing, not to mention somebody just starting out.:mad:

Alanstrainor

ullu wrote: »

So if someone gets their learner permit in March 2011 and passes the test in January 2013, their full licence will not be subject to the 'R' plate restrictions whereas the full licence of someone who gets a permit in May 2011 and passes their test in December 2011 will?

Perhaps I've been mistaken but I was under the impression that anyone who passed their test after the April 2011 change would be subject to the licence restriction, regardless of when their permit was issued.

Yes it's confusing. But the above example is correct. We wont really begin to see R plates for at least 6 months after that date.

ghostdancer

Alanstrainor wrote: »

Yes it's confusing. But the above example is correct. We wont really begin to see R plates for at least 6 months after that date.

so anyone who currently hold a Leaner permit isn't subject to these new measures?


will people who are on their 2nd/3rd/etc provisional/learner permit, and apply for a new one after April 2011 be subject to these new measures?

ADIDriving

ghostdancer wrote: »

will people who are on their 2nd/3rd/etc provisional/learner permit, and apply for a new one after April 2011 be subject to these new measures?

No. They are renew the existing permit.