Prettying up Garda Sekrit File Fail!

Nevyn

Did you know there is a secure controlled document centre for garda reports and files in Santry? Makes sense there is there one.

Y'know what doesn't make senses not using it and sending out a file on crimelords and gangs to be made more presentable resulting in someone tipping of the gang and saying they will copy it so more money was lost sending an armed response unit to pick it up.

Someone left thier brains in their locker when they got into thier uniform that day.

http://www.tribune.ie/news/home-news/article/2010/aug/29/secret-garda-gang-file-was-seen-in-copy-shop/

Secret garda gang file was seen in copy shop
Ali Bracken: Crime Correspondent
Eamon Dunne: murdered

A HIGHLY-SENSITIVE secret intelligence file detailing the membership of one of the country's most dangerous gangs was compromised when gardaí sent it to a Dublin photocopying shop.

The file was seen by somebody in the shop who immediately informed a gang member that he featured prominently in it.

The dossier – which was destined for the DPP in the hope of bringing anti-gangland charges against senior criminals – was sent to Reads of Nassau Street on the orders of a senior garda who wanted to make it look as attractive as possible.

In an unusual move, part of the intelligence file on the gang responsible for murdering gang boss Eamon 'the Don' Dunne was brought to Reads by a garda from Store Street station instead of to the official garda photocopying centre in Santry.

The information about the Finglas gang was compiled over the past six months and is the most detailed piece of intelligence ever collated on them.

It is understood that a chart detailing approximately 40 members of the gang, and their position in its hierarchy, was brought to the printing store.

While in the shop, it was seen by a person who recognised some of the names on the list.

The individual immediately phoned one of the men who was considered by gardaí as a key member.

Detectives from the crime and security branch who were monitoring the suspected criminal's phone overheard the conversation.

The caller agreed to keep a copy of the list to pass on to this suspect.

After the conversation, specialist armed gardaí from crime and security and the National Bureau of Criminal Investigation's (NBCI) Organised Crime Unit (OCU) swooped immediately upon the store.

It was shut down for over an hour while detectives interviewed a number of people including staff members about what happened.

It is understood that gardaí questioned the person who rang the criminal and passed on the information. Nobody is expected to face charges as no criminal offence was committed.

Detectives are also satisfied that there was no copy kept of the highly-classified list.

A solicitor for Reads group said yesterday it "neither supports nor condones in any way any criminal activity in any shape or form".

Detectives are hoping to secure charges against several gang members under the new anti-gangland legislation, which has made it a criminal offence to be a member of or direct a crime gang.

The gang was originally led by Martin 'Marlo' Hyland but when he was murdered in 2006 by his own associates, Eamon Dunne took control and was murdered by his own gang last April.

There are official facilities at Santry for gardaí to have confidential documents copied, laid out and bound professionally.

flyton5

D'Unbelievable stuff.....

SadieSue

That's hilarious.. do they not have photocopiers in their Garda offices?:pac:

Max Power1

Some of these gardai couldnt organise a pissup in a brewery

_feedback_

I usually detest this saying . . . BUT . . . what an Irish thing to do!

Cuddlesworth

SadieSue wrote: »

That's hilarious.. do they not have photocopiers in their Garda offices?:pac:

Or better yet, do they not have a printer? Now that the gang knows their phones are monitored and can question your man for all the information he can remember off the sheet.

Wazdakka

Only in Ireland...

We really are a bit of a joke.

amcalester

You spelled secret wrong.

SadieSue

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

Or better yet, do they not have a printer? Now that the gang knows their phones are monitored and can question your man for all the information he can remember off the sheet.

I think we should organise a charity event to raise money for office supplies. :pac:

phill106

I thought this thread was about some garda wearing a skirt....


I am disappointed....

Morlar

I'd have thought there has to be something they can charge that person with.

+1 to the cops for listening in and being on the ball enough to make sure it didn't actually get leaked though.

-1 to the dolt who took it to a photocopy shop in town - that just beggars belief.

Nevyn

amcalester wrote: »

You spelled secret wrong.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=SEKRIT

Voodu Child

Thaedydal wrote: »

Did you know there is a secure controlled document centre for garda reports and files in Santry? Makes sense there is there one.

Y'know what doesn't make senses not using it and sending out a file on crimelords and gangs to be made more presentable resulting in someone tipping of the gang and saying they will copy it so more money was lost sending an armed response unit to pick it up.

Someone left thier brains in their locker when they got into thier uniform that day.

thier not there only ones that left there brians in there is there locker

TouchingVirus

Morlar wrote: »

I'd have thought there has to be something they can charge that person with.

There really should be.

But then again the Garda was most likely breaking the secrets act by providing a copy to a member of the public, even if it was for photocopying.

Nevyn

Voodu Child wrote: »

thier not there only ones that left there brians in there is there locker

Did you know that dyslexia is a fúcking pain in the face but not as much as smart alexs are,
esp those who mix up brains and brians themselves.

GLaDOS

Derp

Morlar

TouchingVirus wrote: »

There really should be.

But then again the Garda was most likely breaking the secrets act by providing a copy to a member of the public, even if it was for photocopying.

If you did that in the private sector with confidential company or confidential client information you'd stand a good chance of being fired and the real life conesquences are just loss of money/business etc. In this case hardened gang criminals having an awareness of how much the gardai know, and of how much the gardai do not know is far more important.

TouchingVirus

Thaedydal wrote: »

Did you know that dyslexia is a fúcking pain in the face but not as much as smart alexs are,
esp those who mix up brains and brians themselves.

Smart alecs or Smart alecks

I love AH

Nevyn

TouchingVirus wrote: »

There really should be.

But then again the Garda was most likely breaking the secrets act by providing a copy to a member of the public, even if it was for photocopying.

I don't think it was for photocopying more likely they wanted it typeset, then again who knows what they meant by making it more presentable, putting it in a sparkly folder and putting fecking stickers on it

Nevyn

TouchingVirus wrote: »

Smart alecs or Smart alecks

I love AH

It may be AH but if I had of said Arses some people may get upset, not as upset as when I say cúnt but still...

TouchingVirus

Oh, that just makes it worse if all they wanted to do was bind it and stick on a cover. The Garda involved really should be disciplined/suspended, what a stupid move

Vegeta

Thaedydal wrote: »

Did you know that dyslexia is a fúcking pain in the face but not as much as smart alexs are,
esp those who mix up brains and brians themselves.

Ziiiiiinnnnnnnnggg

ejmaztec

They should go into Reads and throw the book at em.

phill106

Thaedydal wrote: »

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=SEKRIT

Choose a real dictionary site
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sekrit

Einhard

elviscostello wrote: »

I usually detest this saying . . . BUT . . . what an Irish thing to do!

Wazdakka wrote: »

Only in Ireland...

We really are a bit of a joke.

Yeah only in Ireland do people make cock ups. The security services in the UK never leave laptops or files in taxis and restaurants. The FBI never mislay unencrypted memory sticks with highly sensitive information. Official documents never end up in the hands of the public, or are thrown out with the rubbish, or are in any other way mislaid in any other part of the world.

Yup. Only in Ireland.

TouchingVirus

phill106 wrote: »

Choose a real dictionary site
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sekrit

Real dictionaries don't have most internet phrases/words. Sekrit is valid here on the intertubes!

Voodu Child

Thaedydal wrote: »

esp those who mix up brains and brians themselves.

Whoosh

Mint Sauce

was sent to Reads of Nassau Street on the orders of a senior garda who wanted to make it look as attractive as possible.

its a top secret crime dossier, not a school project ffs.

major face palmage.

Cheeky_gal

Why would Reads employ such a scumbag? :mad:

biko

Isn't it a crime to inform criminals of an ongoing investigation?
Or leaking police records?

Cuddlesworth

Einhard wrote: »

Yeah only in Ireland do people make cock ups. The security services in the UK never leave laptops or files in taxis and restaurants. The FBI never mislay unencrypted memory sticks with highly sensitive information. Official documents never end up in the hands of the public, or are thrown out with the rubbish, or are in any other way mislaid in any other part of the world.

Yup. Only in Ireland.

The difference between both types of screw ups is that one is a "what if" screw up and here it was a "oh **** it happened". The information has been leaked, the gang will find out a large portion of what was on there.

TouchingVirus

Pretty sure it is, but the Garda didn't leak them or inform the criminals.

Einhard

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

The difference between both types of screw ups is that one is a "what if" screw up and here it was a "oh **** it happened". The information has been leaked, the gang will find out a large portion of what was on there.

No, these kind of things happen every day around the world. The FBI lost something like 144 laptops containing highly sensitive information in a two month period recently, MI5 seem to lose a memory key or laptop every other day, police forces all over the world make stupid mistakes. Data security (or lack thereof) is a massive problem around the world. But according to some, it's only the feckless micks who ever mislay files or make idiotic decisions.

we'llallhavetea_old

Cheeky_gal wrote: »

Why would Reads employ such a scumbag? :mad:

how the hell would they know he was friends with a criminal gang member? not something you'd put on your cv really, is it? :P

anyway, what complete dumbasses, i'd say the guard that did it got some scalding.

AnonoBoy

The one thing I like about this story is the way they were up on the criminal's phone and raided Read's immediately.

Thing is the whole gang knows the Gardai got a wire now and they'll all change up.

It's all in the game yo.

sheesh

Poor guard can you imagine being so unlucky that you bring the secret document into a shop where one of the staff knew the people involved.

TouchingVirus

Can you imagine bringing a confidential document into a public shop for binding?

CrazyRabbit

Ah sure, no surprise to me.

I made a confidential statement to twogardai in the Mountjoy Garda station, and 10 mins later the person I made the statement about was able to tell me word-for-word what I had said. Turns out one of the Gardai was his mate.

Of course, a complaint was made, but it was swept under the carpet by the superintendent. The Gardai aren't very good at keeping things secret.

JayeL

They haven't actually said it was a Reads employee, have they?

MagicSean

CrazyRabbit wrote: »

Ah sure, no surprise to me.

I made a confidential statement to twogardai in the Mountjoy Garda station, and 10 mins later the person I made the statement about was able to tell me word-for-word what I had said. Turns out one of the Gardai was his mate.

Of course, a complaint was made, but it was swept under the carpet by the superintendent. The Gardai aren't very good at keeping things secret.

Statements of complaint aren't private from the person accused. The other person has to be given a chance to respond to all the accusations.

kraggy

Cheeky_gal wrote: »

Why would Reads employ such a scumbag? :mad:

The article doesn't say that the person who tipped the criminal off works in Reads.

It just said, "someone in the shop". It could have been a customer.

amacachi

CrazyRabbit wrote: »

Ah sure, no surprise to me.

I made a confidential statement to twogardai in the Mountjoy Garda station, and 10 mins later the person I made the statement about was able to tell me word-for-word what I had said. Turns out one of the Gardai was his mate.

Of course, a complaint was made, but it was swept under the carpet by the superintendent. The Gardai aren't very good at keeping things secret.

Corruption and leaks? Never! That's libel what you just typed! They'd never do something like that!
Hopefully everyone's sarcasm extension is working.

Sticky_Fingers

TouchingVirus wrote: »

Can you imagine bringing a confidential document into a public shop for binding?

How about inadvertently exposing a list of terror suspects that you intend nicking to the national media. At least this guy resigned after his monumental cockup.

talla10

TouchingVirus wrote: »

But then again the Garda was most likely breaking the secrets act by providing a copy to a member of the public, even if it was for photocopying.

it says in the report it was on the orders of a senior officer :eek:

mconigol

Morlar wrote: »

I'd have thought there has to be something they can charge that person with.

+1 to the cops for listening in and being on the ball enough to make sure it didn't actually get leaked though.

-1 to the dolt who took it to a photocopy shop in town - that just beggars belief.

impeding an investigation??

Edit: oh wait... http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2005/en/act/pub/0020/sec0062.html#sec62

Garda Síochána Act 2005




62.—(1) A person who is or was a member of the Garda Síochána or of its civilian staff or who is or was engaged under contract or other arrangement to work with or for the Garda Síochána shall not disclose, in or outside the State, any information obtained in the course of carrying out duties of that person's office, employment, contract or other arrangement if the person knows the disclosure of that information is likely to have a harmful effect.


(2) For the purpose of this section, the disclosure of information referred to in subsection (1) does not have a harmful effect unless it—


(a) facilitates the commission of an offence,


(b) prejudices the safekeeping of a person in legal custody,


(c) impedes the prevention, detection or investigation of an offence,


(d) impedes the apprehension or prosecution of a suspected offender,


(e) prejudices the security of any system of communication of the Garda Síochána,


(f) results in the identification of a person—


(i) who is a witness in a criminal proceeding or who has given information in confidence to a member of the Garda Síochána, and


(ii) whose identity is not at the time of the disclosure a matter of public knowledge,


(g) results in the publication of information that—


(i) relates to a person who is a witness to or a victim of an offence, and


(ii) is of such a nature that its publication would be likely to discourage the person to whom the information relates or any other person from giving evidence or reporting an offence,


(h) results in the publication of personal information and constitutes an unwarranted and serious infringement of a person's right to privacy,


(i) reveals information provided in confidence by another state, an international organisation, another police service or an intelligence service, or


(j) affects adversely the international relations or interests abroad of the State, including those with Northern Ireland.


(3) For the purpose of this section, a person is presumed, unless the contrary is proved, to know that disclosure of information referred to in subsection (1) is likely to have a harmful effect if a reasonable person would, in all the circumstances, be aware that its disclosure could have that effect.


(4) Subsection (1) does not prohibit a person from disclosing information referred to in that subsection if the disclosure—


(a) is made to—


(i) the Minister,


(ii) the Attorney General,


(iii) the Director of Public Prosecutions,


(iv) the Chief State Solicitor,


(v) the Criminal Assets Bureau,


(vi) the Comptroller and Auditor General,


(vii) the Ombudsman Commission or an officer of the Commission,


(viii) the Garda Síochána Inspectorate or an officer of the Inspectorate,


(ix) the Revenue Commissioners, or


(x) a member of either of the Houses of the Oireachtas where relevant to the proper discharge of the member's functions,


(b) is made to a court,


(c) is made to a tribunal appointed under the Tribunals of Inquiry (Evidence) Acts 1921 to 2002,


(d) is made in the course of, and in accordance with, the duties of that person's office or employment or his or her duties under a contract or other arrangement to work with or for the Garda Síochána,


(e) is authorised by the Garda Commissioner, or


(f) is otherwise authorised by law.


(5) A person who contravenes subsection (1) is guilty of an offence and is liable—


(a) on summary conviction, to a fine not exceeding €3,000 or imprisonment for a term not exceeding 12 months or both, or


(b) on conviction on indictment, to a fine not exceeding €50,000 or imprisonment for a term not exceeding 5 years or both.


(6) A person who contravenes subsection (1) and who receives any gift, consideration or advantage as an inducement to disclose the information to which the contravention relates or as a reward for, or otherwise on account of, the disclosure of that information is guilty of an offence and is liable—


(a) on summary conviction, to a fine not exceeding €3,000 or imprisonment for a term not exceeding 12 months or both, or


(b) on conviction on indictment, to a fine not exceeding €75,000 or imprisonment for a term not exceeding 7 years or both.


(7) The provisions of this section are in addition to, and not in substitution for, the provisions of the Official Secrets Act 1963 .


(8) In this section “personal information” has the meaning given to it by section 2(1) of the Freedom of Information Act 1997 and includes personal information relating to a deceased individual.

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TouchingVirus

talla10 wrote: »

it says in the report it was on the orders of a senior officer :eek:

You're right, but I didn't know Gardai were just mindless drones That said I relayed this story to a member of the force who works in that station and they didn't know anything about this place in Swords though they did think it ridiculous to bring the dossier to a public place for binding/whatever

kowloon

Thaedydal wrote: »

I don't think it was for photocopying more likely they wanted it typeset, then again who knows what they meant by making it more presentable, putting it in a sparkly folder and putting fecking stickers on it

And now I'm imagining rows upon rows of secret Gardai files with glitter coated covers and names made of cut up bits of coloured paper.

CrazyRabbit

k_mac wrote: »

Statements of complaint aren't private from the person accused. The other person has to be given a chance to respond to all the accusations.

The complaint was against the Garda who disclosed details from a statement that was agreed to be confidential . The statement I gave wasn't a complaint.

sheesh

JayeL wrote: »

They haven't actually said it was a Reads employee, have they?

Yeah maybe it was not. that Guard must feel like he was very unlucky to have been in the print shop at the same time as the person who stole the info.

I mean that is amazingly unlucky.